Thousand year day teachings gaining steam

[TheDeafMan]

Personally I do not believe in a pretrib Rapture of the Church (Body of Christ) as scripture is very clear that no one has ever ascended up to Heaven.

Well, Enoch and Elijah got there somehow. Uber maybe? I realize that the Rapture is not a salvation issue and so opinions are varied. Still, as a Pre-Tribber, I cannot see how anyone can come to any other conclusion. The statement above that no one has ever ascended up to Heaven, well, you've got to explain Enoch and Elijah. If not Rapture, how did they go? And then Paul's statement about believers not being changed but meeting the Lord in the air. Jesus in Matthew 25? Two people in a field, one taken the other left? All that sure looks like rapture to me. I'm sure that the mid/post/tribbers have verses to support their beliefs and, as I said, it's not a salvation issue so we can agree to disagree and remain friends but, you know, reading things in context, which is the drum I constantly pound, makes the pre-trib position pretty solid.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Personally I do not believe in a pretrib Rapture of the Church (Body of Christ) as scripture is very clear that no one has ever ascended up to Heaven.

Well, Enoch and Elijah got there somehow. Uber maybe? I realize that the Rapture is not a salvation issue and so opinions are varied. Still, as a Pre-Tribber, I cannot see how anyone can come to any other conclusion. The statement above that no one has ever ascended up to Heaven, well, you've got to explain Enoch and Elijah. If not Rapture, how did they go? And then Paul's statement about believers not being changed but meeting the Lord in the air. Jesus in Matthew 25? Two people in a field, one taken the other left? All that sure looks like rapture to me. I'm sure that the mid/post/tribbers have verses to support their beliefs and, as I said, it's not a salvation issue so we can agree to disagree and remain friends but, you know, reading things in context, which is the drum I constantly pound, makes the pre-trib position pretty solid.

Enoch to represnt the second born seed Christ) spiritual.The word meaning "trained as a disciple" at 65 years came to know the Lord
He represents all that have been born again from above

Genesis 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

Eliahs as to its spiritual understanding "my God is Yahweh" is used in the same way as a testimony to the raising power of the gospel

 

[daninthelionsden]

As a Post-Tribber,I believe in the rapture. It's the timing thereof we disagree. Christ Himself said it won't happen until the Last Day.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I certainly hope the Lord's return is 2030. That would put the rapture this year. Having said that, though, since the Bible clearly states that none of us will know when the rapture comes and that's the next event on the horizon, then I think it's best that we just keep working and when the time is right, we'll be gone.

"No one knows the day or the hour" was a cultural reference to the Feast of Trumpet, which was on the first day of the seventh Jewish lunar month. The first day of a Jewish lunar month was determined by the sighting of new moon in the Holy Land, the length of a month varied from 28 to 30 days, therefore there was no fixed calendar, it's virtually impossible to know. However, a rough estimate such as the autumn season in 2030-2033 is not precluded. The purpose of this warning is for us to have a sense of urgency regardless of when exactly the Lord returns, we need to keep our spiritual training everyday to be ready. It's all about attitude.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Protestants: Adamantly reject the Assumption of Mary.

Also Protestants: All believers will be assumed in the rapture!

Rapture is just a Latin term for the final gathering and resurrection of all God's people in the autumn festivals (Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacle). Forget about the Left Behind series, that's pure fantasy for deception.

 

[eddif]

Rapture is just a Latin term for the final gathering and resurrection of all God's people in the autumn festivals (Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacle). Forget about the Left Behind series, that's pure fantasy for deception.

Matthew 13:27 kjv
27. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28. He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29. But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

There seem to be two gatherings. After the tares are removed, is not the wheat left alone?

Surely the main ideas are not briars and wheat.

But
Notice the order.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Matthew 13:27 kjv
27. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28. He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29. But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

There seem to be two gatherings. After the tares are removed, is not the wheat left alone?

Surely the main ideas are not briars and wheat.

But
Notice the order.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

The seed is the word of God that works in those born again

One gathering on the last day, the day or judgement and the day we receive the promise of new bodies all in the twinkling of the eye.

No signs were given to wonder, wonder, marvel after other than history repeats itself . We have prophecy sealed with 7 seals The idea that God is hiding words other than that which is sealed is not a doctrine of God .

Today because many ignore the warning it comes from the lying of lyings sign as wonders god, Satan

 

[eddif]

The seed is the word of God that works in those born again

One gathering on the last day, the day or judgement and the day we receive the promise of new bodies all in the twinkling of the eye.

No signs were given to wonder, wonder, marvel after other than history repeats itself . We have prophecy sealed with 7 seals The idea that God is hiding words other than that which is sealed is not a doctrine of God .

Today because many ignore the warning it comes from the lying of lyings sign as wonders god, Satan

James 1:5 kjv
5. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

John 1:14 kjv
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Matthew 13:37
37. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38. The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39. The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

the Son of man - Jesus

We begin as sons of man.
Jesus is the Son of importance.

We are changed from sin having dominion over us to Reoentance, salvation in Christ Jesus. And baptism in the Holy Spirit. We are not fully changed till the last trump, but there are changes that give us (a heart of flesh and the mind of Christ, the gifts of the Holy Spirit that we may be witnesses).

We are not what we shall be, but there are changes.

Signs follow those who believe. Peter, Stephen, Paul, etc
The signs vary as the Holy Spirit
works.

We do not deny spirituals of God.

We are on the look out for false works of Satan.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

I believe the Last Trump happens after the Tribulation and it will indeed be crystal clear as it ushers in the Last Day/The Day of the Lord

Matthew 24:29 kjv
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 15:33 kjv
33. And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
34. And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
35. And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.
36. And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.
37. And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
38. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
39. And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Matthew 27:51 kjv
51. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Now what happened.
Jesus died
Darkness came
Temple curtain rent
Earthquake
Saints arose
Tribes came back for Pentecost
People empowered
Messengers went to nations for other sheep

How does this all go together? LOL

Time is told by day 4 creation.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[TheDeafMan]

Rapture is just a Latin term for the final gathering and resurrection of all God's people in the autumn festivals (Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacle). Forget about the Left Behind series, that's pure fantasy for deception.

Hebrew ... harpazo
Greek ... rapturo
The Left Behind series may be simplistic but it is based on biblical fact.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

There seem to be two gatherings. After the tares are removed, is not the wheat left alone?

Surely the main ideas are not briars and wheat.

But
Notice the order.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

The wheats will be gathered before the great tribulation (2 Thess. 2:7, Rev. 3:10), but not necessarily in a "secret" rapture. Remember that there's a difference between the wrath of God and the wrath of Satan, the church is guaranteed to be spared from the wrath of God, but not the wrath of Satan.

“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. (Matt. 24:23-28)

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The Left Behind series may be simplistic but it is based on biblical fact.

Then you're surely off the track. No Hollywood movie is based on any biblical fact.

 

[TheDeafMan]

Then you're surely off the track. No Hollywood movie is based on any biblical fact.

Right, The Ten Commandments, The Passion of the Christ, etc. Those are all based on fables.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Right, The Ten Commandments, The Passion of the Christ, etc. Those are all based on fables.

Those are just inaccurate, but the Left Behind series are way too outlandish. No biblical text teaches such "puff" evaporation leaving their clothes behind, that is definitely a fable. How daft are you to have your faith and hope built on that? These movies are meant for entertainment, you can't take them seriously.