Three Days and Three Nights

[archangel_300]

I agree with glorydaz, and that was the point I was trying to make. The rest of scripture states on the third day and that doesn't mean God had to wait until the very last second of the third day to claim fulfillment of prophecy.

First Jesus didn't come to fulfill Wenesday , Thursday of Friday or Saturday or Sunday.

He came to fulfill Passover, Unleavened bread and Firstfruits (lev 23). The day doesn't really matter.

But for those who stick to it, it would make sense that Jesus died on the cross on a Friday the 6th day of the week, why? Because Adam was created on the 6th day and Jesus came to redeem all mankind.

Jesus rested from all His works on the 7th day Saturday Jesus had a big week, just like the Father before Him.

Many scriptures say rose on the third day or after 3 days, either/or doesn't really matter.

I agree the day does not matter, nor is this thread a big deal.
But it's very fascinating to see the scriptures fit together like a puzzle and to see that it can only lead to one day which is Friday. Also I learned a lot just digging through the scriptures on this issue.

 

[watchman F]

I agree the day does not matter, nor is this thread a big deal.
But it's very fascinating to see the scriptures fit together like a puzzle and to see that it can only lead to one day which is Friday. Also I learned a lot just digging through the scriptures on this issue.

Sorry but this like many subjects the only reason anyone would believe Jesus died on Friday is because they choose to accept tradition of man inspite of scripture. No one believes Jesus died on Friday because of scripture.

 

[archangel_300]

Sorry but this like many subjects the only reason anyone would believe Jesus died on Friday is because they choose to accept tradition of man inspite of scripture. No one believes Jesus died on Friday because of scripture.

I believe Jesus was crucified on Friday because the scriptures interlocking pieces can only point to that particular day otherwise you have major contradictions within the text of scripture.

At this point it looks like check mate to me. Einstein threw in the monkey wrench that caused everything to fall apart and also used sound reasoning and the scriptures. I don't see how one can argue against sound doctrine?

Again the door is wide open, please present your evidence for Wednesday and I'd be willing to reconsider.

When it comes to any teaching or doctrine we hold dearly we need to keep an open mind in case we are wrong or have been taught wrong. The scriptures are the ultimate authority and it's not about what I personally believe about it. We need to humble ourselves and be open to correction if what we believe goes against it.

 

[watchman F]

[quote="watchman F":h7s8r9ku]Sorry but this like many subjects the only reason anyone would believe Jesus died on Friday is because they choose to accept tradition of man inspite of scripture. No one believes Jesus died on Friday because of scripture.

I believe Jesus was crucified on Friday because the scriptures interlocking pieces can only point to that particular day otherwise you have major contradictions within the text of scripture.
.[/quote:h7s8r9ku]Sorry I do not believe you.

 

[archangel_300]

[quote="archangel_300":1540c1bj][quote="watchman F":1540c1bj]Sorry but this like many subjects the only reason anyone would believe Jesus died on Friday is because they choose to accept tradition of man inspite of scripture. No one believes Jesus died on Friday because of scripture.

I believe Jesus was crucified on Friday because the scriptures interlocking pieces can only point to that particular day otherwise you have major contradictions within the text of scripture.
.[/quote:1540c1bj]Sorry I do not believe you.[/quote:1540c1bj]

Exactly... don't believe me, I'm not asking you to.
Believe the Bible alone and never put your trust in man. Question everything and
let God be true and every man a liar...

If I'm wrong about anything I'd love to hear it and I will certainly correct if the Word of God proves I'm wrong.

 

[watchman F]

Exactly... don't believe me, I'm not asking you to.
Believe the Bible alone and never put your trust in man. Question everything and
let God be true and every man a liar...

If I'm wrong about anything I'd love to hear it and I will certainly correct if the Word of God proves I'm wrong.

There has been more than enough proof backed by scripture given in this thread to demolish any belief in the man made good friday, yet you still cling to it. So not only do I not believe that you believe in good Friday because of scripture, I do not believe your statement that if shown the truth you would believe it.

 

[glorydaz]

Exactly... don't believe me, I'm not asking you to.
Believe the Bible alone and never put your trust in man. Question everything and
let God be true and every man a liar...

If I'm wrong about anything I'd love to hear it and I will certainly correct if the Word of God proves I'm wrong.

You aren't wrong...people just don't understand the Jewish system of measures. One has to look in the Talmud to find it. There is enough Biblical proof...some may choose to ignore...that parts of days were counted as days. The Jewish reckoning of time is found in the Jewish Talmud and the Babylonian Jerusalem Talmud (the commentaries of the Jews), said any part, an “onanâ€, any part of the day is considered a full day. On Friday before six o'clock, (which is when Jesus was crucified) by Jewish reckoning, any minute was considered one day and one night.

Day...
In addition to tomorrow (machar) and yesterday (etmol), the Israelite vocabulary also contained a distinct word for two days ago (shilshom). Ma?aratayim (the day after tomorrow), is a dual form of machar, literally "two tomorrows". In the Bible, the day is divided up vaguely, with descriptions such as midnight, and half-night[19].[20][21] Nevertheless, it is clear that the day was considered to start at dusk.

By Talmudic times, the Babylonian system of dividing up the day (from sunset to sunrise, and sunrise to sunset), into hours (Hebrew: ???, sha'ah), parts (Hebrew: ???, heleq, plural halaqim), and moments (Hebrew: ???, rega, plural rega'im), had been adopted; the relationship of these units was:

76 moments (rega'im) = 1 part (heleq) (each rega is 0.04386 of a second; 22.8 rega'im is 1 second)
1080 parts (halaqim) = 1 hour (sha'ah) (each heleq is 3 and 1/3 seconds)
24 hours (sha'ah) = 1 day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_a ... easurement

Any part of a day was considered a day.

By Talmudic times, the Babylonian system of dividing up the day (from sunset to sunrise, and sunrise to sunset), into hours (Hebrew: ???, sha'ah), parts (Hebrew: ???, heleq, plural halaqim), and moments (Hebrew: ???, rega, plural rega'im), had been adopted; the relationship of these units was:

•76 moments (rega'im) = 1 part (heleq) (each rega is 0.04386 of a second; 22.8 rega'im is 1 second)
•1080 parts (halaqim) = 1 hour (sha'ah) (each heleq is 3 and 1/3 seconds)
•24 hours (sha'ah) = 1 day

 

[archangel_300]

You aren't wrong...people just don't understand the Jewish system of measures. One has to look in the Talmud to find it. There is enough Biblical proof...some may choose to ignore...that parts of days were counted as days. The Jewish reckoning of time is found in the Jewish Talmud and the Babylonian Jerusalem Talmud (the commentaries of the Jews), said any part, an “onanâ€, any part of the day is considered a full day. On Friday before six o'clock, (which is when Jesus was crucified) by Jewish reckoning, any minute was considered one day and one night.

Day...
In addition to tomorrow (machar) and yesterday (etmol), the Israelite vocabulary also contained a distinct word for two days ago (shilshom). Ma?aratayim (the day after tomorrow), is a dual form of machar, literally "two tomorrows". In the Bible, the day is divided up vaguely, with descriptions such as midnight, and half-night[19].[20][21] Nevertheless, it is clear that the day was considered to start at dusk.

Thanks glorydaz, I'll check out the wiki link!
I learned a lot on this thread.

 

[westtexas]

56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Mark 16 is just saying that they purchased and prepared the spices early morning on the day after the weekly sabbath which was the day Christ rose.

Hello Glory and archangel, first off let me say that i don't believe that this thread has anything to do with any of the three of ours salvation. We all believe that our Lord was crucified and 3 days later he arose, wheter we agree on a literal 72 hrs or not, it is merely a good topic of conversation. The bible is full of allegories, symbolism and literal statements. I lean more toward the literal view on most things if I feel they can be justified. I believe there is enough biblical evidence to justify a literal 72 hrs and y'all don't, so that's OK. With all that being said, here is my question to y'all.

If you support Fri to Sun with 1 Sabbath, how do you correlate the above verses archangel has quoted? Luke 23:56 says they prepared spices AND THEN RESTED ON THE SABBATH. Mark 16:1 says they BOUGHT SPICES WHEN THE SABBATH WAS OVER. If only 1 sabbath is involved, how do you prepare the spices and rest on the next day, if the next verse says you haven't even bought the spices until After the Sabbath?

And for you Glory, even if we concede that a portion of a day is a day, how do you justify Jesus' words in Matthew 12:40? Our Lord says three days and three NIGHTS. If you believe Friday to Sunday, I can only see 3 days and 2 nights unless you can explain something else to me here.

God bless,Westtexas

 

[watchman F]

If I'm wrong about anything I'd love to hear it and I will certainly correct if the Word of God proves I'm wrong.

You aren't wrong...people just don't understand the Jewish system of measures.

Angel just a note. If glorydaz tell you are correct then you are most definitely incorrect. I have yet to see him/her take of correct biblical view on anything so far. He/she has opposed the truth of scripture in every post I have seen them write.

 

[archangel_300]

56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Mark 16 is just saying that they purchased and prepared the spices early morning on the day after the weekly sabbath which was the day Christ rose.

Hello Glory and archangel, first off let me say that i don't believe that this thread has anything to do with any of the three of ours salvation. We all believe that our Lord was crucified and 3 days later he arose, wheter we agree on a literal 72 hrs or not, it is merely a good topic of conversation. The bible is full of allegories, symbolism and literal statements. I lean more toward the literal view on most things if I feel they can be justified. I believe there is enough biblical evidence to justify a literal 72 hrs and y'all don't, so that's OK. With all that being said, here is my question to y'all.

If you support Fri to Sun with 1 Sabbath, how do you correlate the above verses archangel has quoted? Luke 23:56 says they prepared spices AND THEN RESTED ON THE SABBATH. Mark 16:1 says they BOUGHT SPICES WHEN THE SABBATH WAS OVER. If only 1 sabbath is involved, how do you prepare the spices and rest on the next day, if the next verse says you haven't even bought the spices until After the Sabbath?

And for you Glory, even if we concede that a portion of a day is a day, how do you justify Jesus' words in Matthew 12:40? Our Lord says three days and three NIGHTS. If you believe Friday to Sunday, I can only see 3 days and 2 nights unless you can explain something else to me here.

God bless,Westtexas

Hi Westtexas, agreed, this is just a good topic of discussion. It really doesn't matter if Christ was crucified on Wednesday, Friday or any other day for that matter. We all believe Christ died and was raised from the dead and really that's all that matters.

Looking at Luke 23 and Mark 16 I see two separate events.
In the passage in Luke I don't see any transition of time from Christ crucifixion to Friday. The Sabbath in verse 56 appears to be a reference to the Sabbath in verse 54. If that's the case then they prepared spices/oils on the day of Christ's crucifixion.

ALSO

The verse in Mark states they purchased the spices AFTER the Sabbath was past. And the verse in Luke states they prepared the spices BEFORE the Sabbath. You have a contradiction thus they can't be the same event.


Luke 23:50 Now behold, there was a man named Joseph, a council member, a good and just man. 51 He had not consented to their decision and deed. He was from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who himself was also waiting[o] for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. 54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.
55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. 56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

 

[archangel_300]

[quote="archangel_300":21ygkid5]
If I'm wrong about anything I'd love to hear it and I will certainly correct if the Word of God proves I'm wrong.

You aren't wrong...people just don't understand the Jewish system of measures.

Angel just a note. If glorydaz tell you are correct then you are most definitely incorrect. I have yet to see him/her take of correct biblical view on anything so far. He/she has opposed the truth of scripture in every post I have seen them write.[/quote:21ygkid5]

Thanks for the warning.
I'll make the determination if glory is correct based upon the scriptures.
And yes just because people agree and say I'm correct doesn't mean I'm correct... we need to look at the scriptures for truth. Feel free to make your case for Wednesday and let me know why Friday fails. Thanks.

 

[westtexas]

The verse in Mark states they purchased the spices AFTER the Sabbath was past. And the verse in Luke states they prepared the spices BEFORE the Sabbath. You have a contradiction thus they can't be the same event.

This is where we will disagree. I believe it is the same event and references 2 separate Sabbaths. Thurs was the High Sabbath (Passover) And Mark says they bought spices after this Sabbath(which would have been Fri). Saturday was the weekly Sabbath and Luke says they bought spices (which would have been on Fri) and then rested on the Sabbath (the weekly Sabbath). Here there is no contradiction in scripture. It agrees with itself. In your point of view they would have bought spices, rested on the Sabbath, and then gone and bought spices AGAIN. Why would they do this?
Westtexas

 

[westtexas]

Angel just a note. If glorydaz tell you are correct then you are most definitely incorrect. I have yet to see him/her take of correct biblical view on anything so far. He/she has opposed the truth of scripture in every post I have seen them write.

I DISAGREE. Glory is usually pretty solid! We all won't agree on everything. Pretty uncool comment in my opinion.
Westtexas

 

[einstein]

When one follows the guidelines set out in the Hebrew calendar, it becomes undeniable that Jesus' prophecy of three days and three nights could not have been fulfilled.

Recognizing that most biblical scholars place the crucifixtion on Friday afternoon (the synoptics point to the ninth hour ie 3 p.m. as to the time of Jeus' death) one could count the 3 remaining hours until sunset as one day. Then from sunset Friday (the beginning of the Sabbath) to sunrise Saturday is one night.

From sunrise Saturday to sunset Saturday is day two. From sunset Saturday to sunrise Sunday is two nights. The synoptics all point to a time early in the morning of Sunday as to the time of Jesus' reappearance. So even if we are liberal and state that Jesus was seen a little after sunrise on Sunday and count that as a very short day three- the maximum time frames amount to 3 very partial days and 2 nights- not the 3 days and 3 nights of Jonah.

Plus the inconsistency of Nissan 14 (John) and Nissan 15 (synoptics) in irreconcilable unless one stretches the imagination beyond reason and starts to bring in differing ways of using the Hebrew calendar which frankly, is absurd.

 

[westtexas]

When one follows the guidelines set out in the Hebrew calendar, it becomes undeniable that Jesus' prophecy of three days and three nights could not have been fulfilled.

Einstein, with comments like this about our Lord, make sure that all the newcomers on this forum realize you are Jewish and believe that Jesus is not the Messiah.
Westtexas

 

[archangel_300]

The verse in Mark states they purchased the spices AFTER the Sabbath was past. And the verse in Luke states they prepared the spices BEFORE the Sabbath. You have a contradiction thus they can't be the same event.

This is where we will disagree. I believe it is the same event and references 2 separate Sabbaths. Thurs was the High Sabbath (Passover) And Mark says they bought spices after this Sabbath(which would have been Fri). Saturday was the weekly Sabbath and Luke says they bought spices (which would have been on Fri) and then rested on the Sabbath (the weekly Sabbath). Here there is no contradiction in scripture. It agrees with itself. In your point of view they would have bought spices, rested on the Sabbath, and then gone and bought spices AGAIN. Why would they do this?
Westtexas

Hi Westtexas...
Ok let's read the passage in Luke again.

Luke 23:50 Now behold, there was a man named Joseph, a council member, a good and just man. 51 He had not consented to their decision and deed. He was from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who himself was also waiting[o] for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. 54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.

What day was Christ laid in the tomb? Verse 54 states "Preparation day, and the Sabbath drew near".

Luke 23:55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid.

What women came with Joseph? "The women from Galilee" There is no mention that this was even Mary Magdalene or Mary the Mother of James.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

The key phrase here is "Then they returned" When did they return? After observing how Christ's body was laid in the tomb.

AND HERE'S THE KICKER...

Luke 24:1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them,[a] came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

The women from Galilee AND certain OTHER woman came with them bringing the spices they prepared.
There are two sets of women described here. One can conclude that one set of women prepared spices BEFORE the Sabbath... the other according to Mark prepared spices AFTER the Sabbath.

 

[einstein]

No problem. W.T. I thought it was obvious, after all, Einstein (like Jesus) was Jewish.

 

[westtexas]

No problem. W.T. I thought it was obvious, after all, Einstein (like Jesus) was Jewish.

Was Einstein really Jewish?
Westtexas

 

[westtexas]

The women from Galilee AND certain OTHER woman came with them bringing the spices they prepared.
There are two sets of women described here. One can conclude that one set of women prepared spices BEFORE the Sabbath... the other according to Mark prepared spices AFTER the Sabbath.

Naw, I disagree. It's late and I've got to get up early. I'll come up with some scripture tomorrow and see what you think.
God bless ya and have a good day tomorrow ( a full 12 hrs. )
Westtexas