Three Persons - Holy Trinity

[Grappler]

As far as a person? i am not so sure...is the Holy Spirit in heaven hanging out with the Son and the Father also?? No...it is the part of Jesus that we have and always will have within us...that is why nothing can seperate us from Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is a person because he possess's a will, mind and emotion because he is a part of God the Father. If the Holy Spirit that lives inside of us does not have will to move, emotions to be happy or sad or a mind to think, then the Holy Spirit is dead in us. The Holy Spirit is a part of God the Father and represents the characteristics of God the Father. Where God the Father goes, the Holy Spirit goes. Yes Grappler you are correct, we do have a part of Jesus in us, that part is the Holy Spirit that dwelled inside of Jesus when he walked the earth.

Well you didn't do a very good job of convincing me that the Holy Spirit is an individual. It makes me kind of laugh when people try to explain the trinity...as if they really can explain something so complex. I prefer to look at the Holy Spirit as the part of God that he gives his children....not an individual.

 

[Grappler]

No scripture. I prefer to view the Holy Spirit as that part of God the Father and God the Son that they give to their children...sort of like a force or power.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

If the HS was not a person then He would be neuter, wouldn't He?

The Spirit Jesus is speaking of is God...that part of God that is given to us through the power of Jesus. So the name of this person is Holy Spirit? The name of the Son is Yeshua. The name of the Father is Yahuweh. The name of the Holy Spirit is....what is his name? Just Holy Spirit?? God is a spirit and we must worship Him in spirit and in truth. Just as i told urk...your problem is individuality. You sit there and claim the Holy Spirit is an individual and then you turn around and say the this individual is divided into millions of different persons..which is it? You would look wiser if you would just say 'Hey i really can't explain the doctrine of the trinity very well'.

 

[Deborah13]

'Hey i really can't explain the doctrine of the trinity very well'.

I wasn't trying to explain the doctrine of the trinity, neither did I say such a thing. You asked for scripture showing that the HS is a person. I think

The name of the Holy Spirit is....what is his name?

Now this is a good point, I'm sure someone knows if He has a name besides H.Spirit.

 

[Grappler]

'Hey i really can't explain the doctrine of the trinity very well'.

I wasn't trying to explain the doctrine of the trinity, neither did I say such a thing. You asked for scripture showing that the HS is a person. I think

The name of the Holy Spirit is....what is his name?

Now this is a good point, I'm sure someone knows if He has a name besides H.Spirit.

Well good...i am glad that you are not trying to explain the trinity...since that would be silly. You did do a better job than urk. Now explain to me how this individual that you call the H. Spirit is also divided up into millions of different people. And by the way the scripture you posted didn't say Holy Spirit it just said Spirit.

 

[Deborah13]

'Hey i really can't explain the doctrine of the trinity very well'.

I wasn't trying to explain the doctrine of the trinity, neither did I say such a thing. You asked for scripture showing that the HS is a person. I think

The name of the Holy Spirit is....what is his name?

Now this is a good point, I'm sure someone knows if He has a name besides H.Spirit.

Well good...i am glad that you are not trying to explain the trinity...since that would be silly. You did do a better job than urk. Now explain to me how this individual that you call the H. Spirit is also divided up into millions of different people. And by the way the scripture you posted didn't say Holy Spirit it just said Spirit.

Now you're being silly, Holy Spirit refers to the same Spirit, the Spirit of God. GK pneuma

How He is in all believers at the same time? I do not have a clue. It's one of those exciting mysteries that we will find out some day when we know as we are known, maybe.
I've got to check out the Hebrew for a name, I don't know.

Nope, I cannot find, didn't think so, any other name than Holy Spirit.

 

[Guest]

How He is in all believers at the same time? I do not have a clue. It's one of those exciting mysteries that we will find out some day when we know as we are known, maybe.

It's because the unbeliever has repented and accepted Jesus into their hearts. It's not a mystery. Salvation is a gift for all. Where you are in your walk with Christ however, might be different than that person sitting over there. No mystery though.

 

[Deborah13]

How He is in all believers at the same time? I do not have a clue. It's one of those exciting mysteries that we will find out some day when we know as we are known, maybe.

It's because the unbeliever has repented and accepted Jesus into their hearts. It's not a mystery. Salvation is a gift for all. Where you are in your walk with Christ however, might be different than that person sitting over there. No mystery though.

I think what Grappler is asking is if the Holy Spirit is actually an individual person, not a force or maybe nature of God, how can He be in each person.
I know why He's there, but not how in the sense Grappler is asking.

 

[Guest]

I know why He's there, but not how in the sense Grappler is asking.

Because God the Father is awesome that's why, ;)

..and because he's omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

 

[Deborah13]

I know why He's there, but not how in the sense Grappler is asking.

Because God the Father is awesome that's why, ;)

..and because he's omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

That He is my brother and your's is the only answer we can give, I think.

 

[Grappler]

I wasn't trying to explain the doctrine of the trinity, neither did I say such a thing. You asked for scripture showing that the HS is a person. I think



Now this is a good point, I'm sure someone knows if He has a name besides H.Spirit.

Well good...i am glad that you are not trying to explain the trinity...since that would be silly. You did do a better job than urk. Now explain to me how this individual that you call the H. Spirit is also divided up into millions of different people. And by the way the scripture you posted didn't say Holy Spirit it just said Spirit.

Now you're being silly, Holy Spirit refers to the same Spirit, the Spirit of God. GK pneuma

How He is in all believers at the same time? I do not have a clue. It's one of those exciting mysteries that we will find out some day when we know as we are known, maybe.
I've got to check out the Hebrew for a name, I don't know.

Nope, I cannot find, didn't think so, any other name than Holy Spirit.

No i was being serious. You added your own opinion to the scripture that you posted. You must not know that the word Spirit can be translated as breath as well. You are right you don't have a clue on how this all works...no one does for sure. So i will continue to view God in a binitarian way. And the Holy Spirit or Breath of God as piece of the Godhead that Jesus the Son gives to his followers. Jesus said that the Father was in him and he was in the Father and we believers will become part of the Father and Son as well...the Spirit of God binds us all together.

 

[Guest]

So i will continue to view God in a binitarian way.

What is the binitarian way. I'm not familiar with this term.

 

[Deborah13]

You added your own opinion to the scripture that you posted. You must not know that the word Spirit can be translated as breath as well

this is what I said... Holy Spirit refers to the same Spirit, the Spirit of God. GK pneuma

You said Holy Spirit, and just Spirit I said both refer to the Spirit of God in the scriptures and they do. Read all the scriptures in context and then you can tell me when you find one that does not. I'll give you a hint...the S is capitalized.

I will not argue about this. If you want to believe that the Spirit is God's breath living inside you, teaching you, interceding for you, etc. then I have to just leave that for the Holy Spirit to teach you what He will. You already have your mind set.

 

[Deborah13]

So i will continue to view God in a binitarian way.

What is the binitarian way. I'm not familiar with this term.

I think he said, Father and Son are God, Holy Spirit is a force not a person.

 

[Guest]

So i will continue to view God in a binitarian way.

What is the binitarian way. I'm not familiar with this term.

I think he said, Father and Son are God, Holy Spirit is a force not a person.

A force?

 

[Deborah13]

So i will continue to view God in a binitarian way.

What is the binitarian way. I'm not familiar with this term.

I think he said, Father and Son are God, Holy Spirit is a force not a person.

A force?

He's not sure.
See post #21, " I prefer to view the Holy Spirit as that part of God the Father and God the Son that they give to their children...sort of like a force or power. As far as a person? i am not so sure...is the Holy Spirit in heaven hanging out with the Son and the Father also"

I don't agree but I can kinda see why he might think that.

 

[Guest]

I think he said, Father and Son are God, Holy Spirit is a force not a person.

A force?

He's not sure.
See post #21, " I prefer to view the Holy Spirit as that part of God the Father and God the Son that they give to their children...sort of like a force or power. As far as a person? i am not so sure...is the Holy Spirit in heaven hanging out with the Son and the Father also"

I don't agree but I can kinda see why he might think that.

Yeah but it's not just a one time gift and that's it. The Holy Spirit is alive and active inside the believer all throughout their life. Rather it's a force that has a will, mind and emotions continually throughout the believers life.

 

[Deborah13]

I think he said, Father and Son are God, Holy Spirit is a force not a person.

A force?

He's not sure.
See post #21, " I prefer to view the Holy Spirit as that part of God the Father and God the Son that they give to their children...sort of like a force or power. As far as a person? i am not so sure...is the Holy Spirit in heaven hanging out with the Son and the Father also"

I don't agree but I can kinda see why he might think that.

Yeah but it's not just a one time gift and that's it. The Holy Spirit is alive and active inside the believer all throughout their life. Rather it's a force that has a will, mind and emotions continually throughout the believers life.

I personally believe in a triune God. But I don't think it's a requirement for salvation. I have never heard that or seen a scripture for it.

 

[Grappler]

So i will continue to view God in a binitarian way.

What is the binitarian way. I'm not familiar with this term.

Binitarian is a term i came across while i was reading and studying some of Michael Heiser's research. It is simply the theological teaching that there two individuals in the Godhead. I think that it fits better with reality.

 

[Grappler]

You added your own opinion to the scripture that you posted. You must not know that the word Spirit can be translated as breath as well

this is what I said... Holy Spirit refers to the same Spirit, the Spirit of God. GK pneuma

You said Holy Spirit, and just Spirit I said both refer to the Spirit of God in the scriptures and they do. Read all the scriptures in context and then you can tell me when you find one that does not. I'll give you a hint...the S is capitalized.

I will not argue about this. If you want to believe that the Spirit is God's breath living inside you, teaching you, interceding for you, etc. then I have to just leave that for the Holy Spirit to teach you what He will. You already have your mind set.

But you are arguing about this.lol You have yet to explain to me how this individual named the Holy Spirit is also divided into millions of different persons and still remains an individual. Yes i have my mindset. I once went along with the traditional view of the Godhead even though it, like so many other traditional mainstream church beliefs , didn't make alot of sense. I think the binitarian view fits better with reality. So let us just agree to disagree.

 

[Grappler]

He's not sure.
See post #21, " I prefer to view the Holy Spirit as that part of God the Father and God the Son that they give to their children...sort of like a force or power. As far as a person? i am not so sure...is the Holy Spirit in heaven hanging out with the Son and the Father also"

I don't agree but I can kinda see why he might think that.

Yeah but it's not just a one time gift and that's it. The Holy Spirit is alive and active inside the believer all throughout their life. Rather it's a force that has a will, mind and emotions continually throughout the believers life.

I personally believe in a triune God. But I don't think it's a requirement for salvation. I have never heard that or seen a scripture for it.

Exactly