Three Persons - Holy Trinity

[Guest]

Binitarian is a term i came across while i was reading and studying some of Michael Heiser's research. It is simply the theological teaching that there two individuals in the Godhead. I think that it fits better with reality.

But the reality is that there's three individuals with three different roles, with one God in control.

 

[Grappler]

Binitarian is a term i came across while i was reading and studying some of Michael Heiser's research. It is simply the theological teaching that there two individuals in the Godhead. I think that it fits better with reality.

But the reality is that there's three individuals with three different roles, with one God in control.

lol....a reality that you can't seem to be able to explain.

 

[Guest]

Binitarian is a term i came across while i was reading and studying some of Michael Heiser's research. It is simply the theological teaching that there two individuals in the Godhead. I think that it fits better with reality.

But the reality is that there's three individuals with three different roles, with one God in control.

lol....a reality that you can't seem to be able to explain.

I'm explaining it, you're just not getting it. A person has a will, mind, emotions, conscience, intuition and communion. Saying that the Holy Spirit isn't a person is saying that he lacks these things, which he doesn't. In the role of the Father, God is the provider and creator of all. In the role of the Son, God is manifested in the flesh as a human to bring about the salvation of mankind. In the role of the Holy Spirit, God manifests himself from heaven through his actions on the earth and within the lives of christians. The Holy Spirit is not only a force, but he's a force that is alive inside of christians and the Holy Spirit also can move in God's will, think like God thinks and is sad and joyful like God is sad and joyful, because their both alive in heaven.

To understand that these three are persons, you would have to understand the vastness of the greatness of who these three persons represent and what they are capable of. Saying the Holy Spirit isn't a person inside of you, is saying that he doesn't move in God's will, feel and think the things of God the Father. Do you understand?

 

[Grappler]

Binitarian is a term i came across while i was reading and studying some of Michael Heiser's research. It is simply the theological teaching that there two individuals in the Godhead. I think that it fits better with reality.

But the reality is that there's three individuals with three different roles, with one God in control.

lol....a reality that you can't seem to be able to explain.

I'm explaining it, you're just not getting it. A person has a will, mind, emotions, conscience, intuition and communion. Saying that the Holy Spirit isn't a person is saying that he lacks these things, which he doesn't. In the role of the Father, God is the provider and creator of all. In the role of the Son, God is manifested in the flesh as a human to bring about the salvation of mankind. In the role of the Holy Spirit, God manifests himself from heaven through his actions on the earth and within the lives of christians. The Holy Spirit is not only a force, but he's a force that is alive inside of christians and the Holy Spirit also can move in God's will, think like God thinks and is sad and joyful like God is sad and joyful, because their both alive in heaven.

To understand that these three are persons, you would have to understand the vastness of the greatness of who these three persons represent and what they are capable of. Saying the Holy Spirit isn't a person inside of you, is saying that he doesn't move in God's will, feel and think the things of God the Father. Do you understand?

Do you understand that you have yet to provide any scripture to support your claims? You have yet to explain how this individual that is you call Mr. Holy Spirit can be divided among millions of persons and still be an individual person? I'm waiting.

 

[Deborah13]

divided

Do you believe that God is omnipresent?

 

[Guest]

You have yet to explain how this individual that is you call Mr. Holy Spirit can be divided among millions of persons and still be an individual person? I'm waiting.

Because God the Father is omnipotent/all powerful, omniscient/all knowledgeable and omnipresent/present everywhere at the same time.

 

[Grappler]

divided

Do you believe that God is omnipresent?

No. I believe He is all powerful and all knowing. I am not pantheistic.

 

[Grappler]

You have yet to explain how this individual that is you call Mr. Holy Spirit can be divided among millions of persons and still be an individual person? I'm waiting.

Because God the Father is omnipotent/all powerful, omniscient/all knowledgeable and omnipresent/present everywhere at the same time.

You err. I didn't ask anything about the Father...can't you stay on task??lol

 

[Guest]

I didn't ask anything about the Father...can't you stay on task??lol

:o..the Father is everything Grappler, take him out of the equation and you are without a way to breathe.

 

[Grappler]

I didn't ask anything about the Father...can't you stay on task??lol

:o..the Father is everything Grappler, take him out of the equation and you are without a way to breathe.

You are ADD aren't you?lol just kidding urk that is something i shouldn't joke about. Let me say it again....I didn't ask you anyting about the Father i asked you about the Holy Spirit....do you comprehend that? If not lets just stop...ok?

 

[Guest]

I didn't ask you anyting about the Father i asked you about the Holy Spirit....do you comprehend that?

But without the Father, there is no Holy Spirit. Why is that?

 

[cupid dave]

Is the truth also modeled in your heart/body/soul/spirit too, as being alive.

You confuse the word heart somehow such as to understand it other than mind.

Our heartfelt and deepest convictions are thoughts.
Truth is the sane state of the mind because to understand and think of the world otherwise is to live in some unreal fantasy world manufactured from lies.

One can not have heart for others unless he correctly perceives others, and hence in his mind, has created the correct impression the other person.
If one were to see Hitler as good, then that lie would be heartfelt as he saluted and followed that man in evil.

See what I am telling you?

Truth creates all things for us, and no thing is created inside our head except truth do it.


Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, (almighty Reality), who created all things by (his grace to have given us Truth), Jesus Christ, (as the Holy Spirit that creates our vision of Reality inside our head):

 

[cupid dave]

Man lives & dies with 'living the truth that the Holy Spirit has GIVEN him'.

See Rom. 2
... Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts (Hebrew: leb = mind), their conscience, (a psychic rib inside our mind), also bearing witness, and their thoughts, (which are mental errors in their mind's eye), the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

(Bracketed comments above are Cupid dave's. See below)

Your post underscores my point above,...

I have added commentary inside the verse you posted to illustrate how I take what you meant.

 

[cupid dave]

I'm explaining it, you're just not getting it. A person has a will, mind, emotions, conscience, intuition and communion. Saying that the Holy Spirit isn't a person is saying that he lacks these things, which he doesn't.

No way.
Saying that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth which is available to the "will, mind, emotions, conscience, intuition and communion" of everyone who will accept Truth does not make Truth the person.
Persons utilize Truth.

 

[Grappler]

I'm explaining it, you're just not getting it. A person has a will, mind, emotions, conscience, intuition and communion. Saying that the Holy Spirit isn't a person is saying that he lacks these things, which he doesn't.

No way.
Saying that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth which is available to the "will, mind, emotions, conscience, intuition and communion" of everyone who will accept Truth does not make Truth the person.
Persons utilize Truth.

Interesting way to look at the Holy Spirit.

 

[Guest]

No way.
Saying that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth which is available to the "will, mind, emotions, conscience, intuition and communion" of everyone who will accept Truth does not make Truth the person.
Persons utilize Truth.

Yes they utilize truth and have access to it through the Holy Spirit that dwells in them. The Holy Spirit is a person because he has a will, mind and emotions. He has a will John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He has a mind Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. He has emotions and can be insulted Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

[Grappler]

I didn't ask you anyting about the Father i asked you about the Holy Spirit....do you comprehend that?

But without the Father, there is no Holy Spirit. Why is that?

When you make an attempt to answer my question then you will be given an answer to your questions...that is usually how it works urk. When discussing something it is a give and take conversation....i have asked you a question and you don't seem to be able to give an answer or pay attention long enough to give an answer.

 

[Grappler]

No way.
Saying that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth which is available to the "will, mind, emotions, conscience, intuition and communion" of everyone who will accept Truth does not make Truth the person.
Persons utilize Truth.

Yes they utilize truth and have access to it through the Holy Spirit that dwells in them. The Holy Spirit is a person because he has a will, mind and emotions. He has a will John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He has a mind Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. He has emotions and can be insulted Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

urk what is the difference between the mind and will or emotions? Don't emotions and will occur IN the mind??

 

[Guest]

No way.
Saying that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth which is available to the "will, mind, emotions, conscience, intuition and communion" of everyone who will accept Truth does not make Truth the person.
Persons utilize Truth.

Yes they utilize truth and have access to it through the Holy Spirit that dwells in them. The Holy Spirit is a person because he has a will, mind and emotions. He has a will John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He has a mind Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. He has emotions and can be insulted Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

urk what is the difference between the mind and will or emotions? Don't emotions and will occur IN the mind??

Will, mind and emotions occur in your soul realm. The will is the instrument for making decisions and choices. The second function of the soul is the mind, the instrument for thinking. It is in this part of the soul that man reasons and has knowledge. The third function of the soul is the emotion. This is the instrument of likes and dislikes. Through the emotions we are able to express love or hatred, joyfulness, anger, sadness, or happiness. A shortage in this area will render us insensitive. Why do you wanna know if your emotions and will occur in the mind? Where do you think they come from?

 

[Grappler]

No way.
Saying that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth which is available to the "will, mind, emotions, conscience, intuition and communion" of everyone who will accept Truth does not make Truth the person.
Persons utilize Truth.

Yes they utilize truth and have access to it through the Holy Spirit that dwells in them. The Holy Spirit is a person because he has a will, mind and emotions. He has a will John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He has a mind Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. He has emotions and can be insulted Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

urk what is the difference between the mind and will or emotions? Don't emotions and will occur IN the mind??

Will, mind and emotions occur in your soul realm. The will is the instrument for making decisions and choices. The second function of the soul is the mind, the instrument for thinking. It is in this part of the soul that man reasons and has knowledge. The third function of the soul is the emotion. This is the instrument of likes and dislikes. Through the emotions we are able to express love or hatred, joyfulness, anger, sadness, or happiness. A shortage in this area will render us insensitive. Why do you wanna know if your emotions and will occur in the mind? Where do you think they come from?

So instead of saying 'i am trying to make up my mind' i really should be saying ' i am trying to make up my soul'???lol So the mind is not the brain? So in your world what is the difference between the brain and the mind? So where is the soul located? This is fun.