Today's Middle East

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The following is a must read for the serious student and teacher of Bible prophecy

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The prophetic visions speak of a day when these transgressors will come to the full and the human little horn of Daniel's visions will rise [Daniel 2; 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince that shall come]; 11:36-45; 12:7]

This one will form the last and final kingdom of the first of Satan's beasts of Revelation [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-14] who will manifest in [fully possess] the human little horn described in Daniel's description of the image .... a divided kingdom, first of two iron legs, and then a ten kingdom confederation of iron and clay

The two iron legs will be similar to the two kingdoms [bronze thighs] of the ancient past, one north and one south of Israel .... Syrio/Babylonia, and Egypt

The human little horn will rise out of the northern kingdom of iron at the end of this present age

The king of the south will rise out of Egypt

These two Muslim kingdoms will contend for domination of the Middle East and the little horn and king of the north will prevail

This divided offset will form as the result of the current political upheaval of the Islamic block states

Watch the Middle East today .... the Lord is drawing attention to the region where Israel's [Jacob's] time of trouble will result in His return to bring the destruction of Israel's virulent enemies at Armageddon [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 11:45; 12:1-7; Joel 2; 3; Obadiah 1; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 14; Matthew 24:15-21; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

 

[Grappler]

The following is a must read for the serious student and teacher of Bible prophecy

Link remove via the 20 post rule of our ToS . reba

The prophetic visions speak of a day when these transgressors will come to the full and the human little horn of Daniel's visions will rise [Daniel 2; 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince that shall come]; 11:36-45; 12:7]

This one will form the last and final kingdom of the first of Satan's beasts of Revelation [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-14] who will manifest in [fully possess] the human little horn described in Daniel's description of the image .... a divided kingdom, first of two iron legs, and then a ten kingdom confederation of iron and clay

The two iron legs will be similar to the two kingdoms [bronze thighs] of the ancient past, one north and one south of Israel .... Syrio/Babylonia, and Egypt

The human little horn will rise out of the northern kingdom of iron at the end of this present age

The king of the south will rise out of Egypt

These two Muslim kingdoms will contend for domination of the Middle East and the little horn and king of the north will prevail

This divided offset will form as the result of the current political upheaval of the Islamic block states

Watch the Middle East today .... the Lord is drawing attention to the region where Israel's [Jacob's] time of trouble will result in His return to bring the destruction of Israel's virulent enemies at Armageddon [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 11:45; 12:1-7; Joel 2; 3; Obadiah 1; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 14; Matthew 24:15-21; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

The Zionists state of Israel in the Middle East today is just as guilty of genocide as it's Muslim neighbors...probably even more so since they are taking Palestinian lands for themselves. It is sad to see people who claim Christ as their Savior here in the USA cheering them on. We as children of God have no business choosing sides over this issue since both sides are in the wrong. Let us do as Jesus said and pray for our enemies and do good unto them.

 

[Joe Domingo]

The Zionists state of Israel in the Middle East today is just as guilty of
genocide as it's Muslim neighbors

Agreed.

 

[Grappler]

I'm not cheering on war by any means, but as far as I know, God gave a lot of land to Israel a long time ago, and they have not got it yet. God support s Israel and I support God and have to believe that what He is doing is just, fair, and His prerogative to do as he sees fit because He is God and can do what He pleases. God's Word declares Gaza is a part of the Land of Israel. Joshua narrows it down and tells us that Gaza also was given to Israel, specifically the tribe of Judah.

This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah according to their families. Joshua 15:20 Ashdod with her towns and her villages, Gaza with her towns and her villages, unto the river of Egypt, and the great sea, and the border thereof (Joshua 15:47). Map with land of Israel with borders in red below representing the Royal Land Grant that God gave to Israel through the Abraham Covenant compared to what Israel actually has today in yellow on the map above it..

I wonder what would happen if the Jewish people suddenly woke up and realized they are being cheated out of all the land God gave Israel in the Abraham land covenant instead of the little sliver of land they are now living on, which is only a fraction of what had been promised to them? And even that, the arabs and nations of the world are trying to take the little fraction shown in yellow on the map, which is now Israel, little by little by waging terror war after war against the Jews and forcing a land for peace deal upon the Jews.

Before the U.N. declared Israel a nation in 1948 the muslims who lived there were insulted if you called them a Palestinian because that is also what the Jews were being called at the time. It wasn't until the 1960’s that the muslims changed their strategy and began calling themselves Palestinians.

The land was given the name Palestine after the Jews ancient enemy the Philistines by the Emperor Hadrian after a revolt in 135 AD. Then in the early 1960’s the muslim’s got an idea to claim that they were the poor displaced Palestinians by the mean ole Jews so they could secretly try and finish the job Adolph Hitler didn’t that he called his Final Solution.

The bottom line here, is that the muslims want to drive the Jews to the sea and take over Israel completely.

And the main-stream media played right into it and bought the pseudo Palestinian lie hook, line and sinker. A Bible believing Christian knows the truth regarding the land simply by reading their Bible. Apparently Our Administration must read from a really bizarre muslim friendly translation or we would never have gone there to talk them into giving up their land.

The muslims already have 22 countries that surround little Israel. If it was really about the pseudo Palestinians having a home, one of those 22 muslim countries could easily do that for them. But its not about them having a home, its about them wanting to destroy all the Jews. The muslims refer to America as the great satan and they refer to Israel as the little satan.

Another Holy Scripture worth noting for anyone who is against Israel and have taken the side of the pseudo Palestinians is a warning from Almighty God.

God said,“And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee, and in thee shall all the families be blessed.”
Genesis 12:3
And again God said,“The land shall not be sold for ever, for the land is Mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with Me.”
Leviticus 25:23

One more important fact is that the name Jerusalem is all through the Holy Bible but it is NO where written in the muslim koran, And I mean NO WHERE. I even ran across a website online where a man was offering 1 million dollars to anyone who can show him the name Jerusalem in the koran.
Further more, mohammed was never in Jerusalem period. The muslims made up that lie to justify them taking over the TEMPLE MOUNT.

But you probably already know all that.
It appears we are getting very close to the End of Days. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Psalm 122:6

Please provide scripture that tells me that God supports the Zionists state of Israel that is currently in the Middle East. Also please provide scripture that tells me that I should support this Zionists state of Israel as well...thanks.

 

[reba]

os 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

 

[reba]

Be careful we will not allow bashing ....

 

[John 8:32]

I'm not cheering on war by any means, but as far as I know, God gave a lot of land to Israel a long time ago, and they have not got it yet. God support s Israel and I support God and have to believe that what He is doing is just, fair, and His prerogative to do as he sees fit because He is God and can do what He pleases. God's Word declares Gaza is a part of the Land of Israel. Joshua narrows it down and tells us that Gaza also was given to Israel, specifically the tribe of Judah.

This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah according to their families. Joshua 15:20 Ashdod with her towns and her villages, Gaza with her towns and her villages, unto the river of Egypt, and the great sea, and the border thereof (Joshua 15:47). Map with land of Israel with borders in red below representing the Royal Land Grant that God gave to Israel through the Abraham Covenant compared to what Israel actually has today in yellow on the map above it..

I wonder what would happen if the Jewish people suddenly woke up and realized they are being cheated out of all the land God gave Israel in the Abraham land covenant instead of the little sliver of land they are now living on, which is only a fraction of what had been promised to them? And even that, the arabs and nations of the world are trying to take the little fraction shown in yellow on the map, which is now Israel, little by little by waging terror war after war against the Jews and forcing a land for peace deal upon the Jews.

Before the U.N. declared Israel a nation in 1948 the muslims who lived there were insulted if you called them a Palestinian because that is also what the Jews were being called at the time. It wasn't until the 1960’s that the muslims changed their strategy and began calling themselves Palestinians.

The land was given the name Palestine after the Jews ancient enemy the Philistines by the Emperor Hadrian after a revolt in 135 AD. Then in the early 1960’s the muslim’s got an idea to claim that they were the poor displaced Palestinians by the mean ole Jews so they could secretly try and finish the job Adolph Hitler didn’t that he called his Final Solution.

The bottom line here, is that the muslims want to drive the Jews to the sea and take over Israel completely.

And the main-stream media played right into it and bought the pseudo Palestinian lie hook, line and sinker. A Bible believing Christian knows the truth regarding the land simply by reading their Bible. Apparently Our Administration must read from a really bizarre muslim friendly translation or we would never have gone there to talk them into giving up their land.

The muslims already have 22 countries that surround little Israel. If it was really about the pseudo Palestinians having a home, one of those 22 muslim countries could easily do that for them. But its not about them having a home, its about them wanting to destroy all the Jews. The muslims refer to America as the great satan and they refer to Israel as the little satan.

Another Holy Scripture worth noting for anyone who is against Israel and have taken the side of the pseudo Palestinians is a warning from Almighty God.

God said,“And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee, and in thee shall all the families be blessed.”
Genesis 12:3
And again God said,“The land shall not be sold for ever, for the land is Mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with Me.”
Leviticus 25:23

One more important fact is that the name Jerusalem is all through the Holy Bible but it is NO where written in the muslim koran, And I mean NO WHERE. I even ran across a website online where a man was offering 1 million dollars to anyone who can show him the name Jerusalem in the koran.
Further more, mohammed was never in Jerusalem period. The muslims made up that lie to justify them taking over the TEMPLE MOUNT.

But you probably already know all that.
It appears we are getting very close to the End of Days. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Psalm 122:6

Please provide scripture that tells me that God supports the Zionists state of Israel that is currently in the Middle East. Also please provide scripture that tells me that I should support this Zionists state of Israel as well...thanks.

Be careful about saying negative things about Israel and Judah...

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

 

[Grappler]

I'm not cheering on war by any means, but as far as I know, God gave a lot of land to Israel a long time ago, and they have not got it yet. God support s Israel and I support God and have to believe that what He is doing is just, fair, and His prerogative to do as he sees fit because He is God and can do what He pleases. God's Word declares Gaza is a part of the Land of Israel. Joshua narrows it down and tells us that Gaza also was given to Israel, specifically the tribe of Judah.

This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah according to their families. Joshua 15:20 Ashdod with her towns and her villages, Gaza with her towns and her villages, unto the river of Egypt, and the great sea, and the border thereof (Joshua 15:47). Map with land of Israel with borders in red below representing the Royal Land Grant that God gave to Israel through the Abraham Covenant compared to what Israel actually has today in yellow on the map above it..

I wonder what would happen if the Jewish people suddenly woke up and realized they are being cheated out of all the land God gave Israel in the Abraham land covenant instead of the little sliver of land they are now living on, which is only a fraction of what had been promised to them? And even that, the arabs and nations of the world are trying to take the little fraction shown in yellow on the map, which is now Israel, little by little by waging terror war after war against the Jews and forcing a land for peace deal upon the Jews.

Before the U.N. declared Israel a nation in 1948 the muslims who lived there were insulted if you called them a Palestinian because that is also what the Jews were being called at the time. It wasn't until the 1960’s that the muslims changed their strategy and began calling themselves Palestinians.

The land was given the name Palestine after the Jews ancient enemy the Philistines by the Emperor Hadrian after a revolt in 135 AD. Then in the early 1960’s the muslim’s got an idea to claim that they were the poor displaced Palestinians by the mean ole Jews so they could secretly try and finish the job Adolph Hitler didn’t that he called his Final Solution.

The bottom line here, is that the muslims want to drive the Jews to the sea and take over Israel completely.

And the main-stream media played right into it and bought the pseudo Palestinian lie hook, line and sinker. A Bible believing Christian knows the truth regarding the land simply by reading their Bible. Apparently Our Administration must read from a really bizarre muslim friendly translation or we would never have gone there to talk them into giving up their land.

The muslims already have 22 countries that surround little Israel. If it was really about the pseudo Palestinians having a home, one of those 22 muslim countries could easily do that for them. But its not about them having a home, its about them wanting to destroy all the Jews. The muslims refer to America as the great satan and they refer to Israel as the little satan.

Another Holy Scripture worth noting for anyone who is against Israel and have taken the side of the pseudo Palestinians is a warning from Almighty God.

God said,“And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee, and in thee shall all the families be blessed.”
Genesis 12:3
And again God said,“The land shall not be sold for ever, for the land is Mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with Me.”
Leviticus 25:23

One more important fact is that the name Jerusalem is all through the Holy Bible but it is NO where written in the muslim koran, And I mean NO WHERE. I even ran across a website online where a man was offering 1 million dollars to anyone who can show him the name Jerusalem in the koran.
Further more, mohammed was never in Jerusalem period. The muslims made up that lie to justify them taking over the TEMPLE MOUNT.

But you probably already know all that.
It appears we are getting very close to the End of Days. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Psalm 122:6

Please provide scripture that tells me that God supports the Zionists state of Israel that is currently in the Middle East. Also please provide scripture that tells me that I should support this Zionists state of Israel as well...thanks.

Be careful about saying negative things about Israel and Judah...

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Your first mistake is assuming that somehow this verse applies to modern day Zionists Israel...it does not. God is talking to Abraham...you know about 3800 years ago. Your second mistake is not understanding the New Covenant. Galatians chapter 3 for example Paul (who was a "Jew") makes very clear that ALL in Christ have inherited the promises made to Abraham. All true Christians are part of the true Israel not modern day Zionists Israel. I say again that it sad to see so many gullible people blinded by this false teaching that modern Israel is somehow blessed by God....and actually support them as they take land from the native Palestinians (who are probably more genetically related to Abraham than those most "Jews" who live there) and kill them. As children of God we should NOT support Zionism or Islam but show them that both of them are wrong and need Jesus.

 

[SeekHisFace]

Speaking of being careful...Jacob's name was changed to "Israel", so we need to be careful concerning what the verse says, whether it be the land or the people

So, since there's so much debate on this subject. I pray for Israel--God's people and let His will be done with the land.
I have come to this conclusion because:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Amen..
Blessings to all---and to all His people

 

[Sinthesis]

Clearly, people see what they want to see clearly, no matter how obscure or obscured.:

 

[Knotical]

Clearly, people see what they want to see clearly, no matter how obscure or obscured.:

That was very clearly stated, in a vaguely simple sort of way. ;)

 

[Sinthesis]

Clearly, people see what they want to see clearly, no matter how obscure or obscured.:

That was very clearly stated, in a vaguely simple sort of way. ;)

Thanks.... Usually I seek to appear cleverly opaque.:shades

 

[jasoncran]

isreal isn't in prophecy most likely. there are a few hints of it but if there is a mass jewish revival to the Lord , then its another Christian state. so what would be the point of the land? isn't that just another church?

 

[reba]

Worship Who? Does God dwell in a temple made of hands?

 

[Grappler]

so what would be the point of the land? isn't that just another church?

Personally, I think that they're going to get the land back and that the Temple will be physically rebuilt. A place for all nations to worship. Maybe it won't happen until Jesus returns for His 1000 year reign?

I hope you understand that if a temple is rebuilt it will be an abomination in the sight of God.

 

[Grappler]

I hope you understand that if a temple is rebuilt it will be an abomination in the sight of God.

Why would that be?

I'm also not saying that it absolutely will or anything like that, but it reads that way to me. But still...I do have a lot to learn.

Wow. You really don't know? Ok then i will explain it as simple as i can. Jesus the Son of God. You see Jesus came to Earth to die for the sins of man. He was the final sacrifice. When he was crucified God reached down and tore the veil of the temple from top to bottom. The temple was no longer needed. To build a temple and begin the sacrifices again would be an insult to Jesus and the Father. We don't need a temple we have Jesus...and any attempt to make some kind of sacrifice in his place would be an abomination in the sight of God.

 

[John 8:32]

so what would be the point of the land? isn't that just another church?

Personally, I think that they're going to get the land back and that the Temple will be physically rebuilt. A place for all nations to worship. Maybe it won't happen until Jesus returns for His 1000 year reign?

I hope you understand that if a temple is rebuilt it will be an abomination in the sight of God.

And the scripture says this?

 

[John 8:32]

I hope you understand that if a temple is rebuilt it will be an abomination in the sight of God.

Why would that be?

I'm also not saying that it absolutely will or anything like that, but it reads that way to me. But still...I do have a lot to learn.

Wow. You really don't know? Ok then i will explain it as simple as i can. Jesus the Son of God. You see Jesus came to Earth to die for the sins of man. He was the final sacrifice. When he was crucified God reached down and tore the veil of the temple from top to bottom. The temple was no longer needed. To build a temple and begin the sacrifices again would be an insult to Jesus and the Father. We don't need a temple we have Jesus...and any attempt to make some kind of sacrifice in his place would be an abomination in the sight of God.

As you continue in this line of thinking, factor in Ezek 40 - 48.

 

[Joe Domingo]

Grappler - you are spot on with your comments.

For those of you who are serious and want to take a look at the hard facts, how about a getting it from a Jewish geneticist with 40 years of research on the subject. His findings were published just a few months ago. There are articles all over the web on it and many of them are Jewish sites! This is just one such site.
http://matzav.com/report-new-genetic-study-says-ashkenazi-jews-descend-from-khazars

This is a link to Dr. Eran Elhaik's own words but you may have to subscribe. Nothing like hearing it directly from him.
http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week...ple-s-ultimate-treasure-hunt.premium-1.490539

Zionists are not true Israelites or Jews and therefore makes the founding of the State of Israel on false premise.

Note: Dr. Eran Elhaik was bent on getting to bottom of his Jewish roots and set out on a long journey to do so. In case anyone is wondering why a Jewish geneticist would break this out in the open. He is well published now and is making waves!

Here's another link.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130116195333.htm

 

[Joe Domingo]

Zionists are not true Israelites or Jews and therefore makes the founding of the State of Israel on false premise.

So the nation of Israel is not the nation of Israel? Israel wasn't reborn in 1948? This is all some sort of smoke and mirrors thing going on? Come now, my good man, genetics and bloodlines and all that are the smoke and mirrors here. We can't even establish that they're a nation at this point? We will push them into the sea and deny even their flag waving in the sky? That's...uh, incongruous.

Please sir, your argument is not with me. It is with the facts that are steadily coming out as the day nears. I was not the one who preformed the genetic study. The land of Israel is Israel because God said so, not because Zionists say so. Mt. Olive will remain Mt. Olive until Jesus descends and splits it in two. Nothing can change that ...

but, we have accepted the standard that Ashkenazic peoples ands Zionists are a chosen nation, the evidence has now proven that untrue. How can we apply scripture to a people who are not Jews?

That they are Jewish is clear to me. For the word Jewish means like unto a Jew. So yes, they are Jewish, at least some of them since they practice Judaism, but many are secular and so they are not even Jewish by standards.

The State of Israel is just that - a State. Otherwise it would have been called a nation or a country.

Also, the West Bank is the Land where the Northern King and the Southern Kings of Israel and Judah ruled from ... take notice that the West Bank is NOT recognized by the world governments as Israel.

This is all falling within God's sovereignty. There is a reason why the West Bank will not and cannot become a part of the State of Israel.

The reason is simple enough. Jesus.

Jesus is the King of the Jews. Said so on his Cross, right above his head.

Only when Jesus returns will he rule from Mount Zion as King.