Tribulation...

[reba]

What would the signs of His return be?

 

[Elijah674]

This chapter 24 of Matt. has a repeat history. God's WORD says so!! The Eccl. verses. Just two endings! Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15

If the new church did not understand this, how would they had acted when the Holy Spirit DOCUMENTED Matthew 24:14 as again taking place?See Romans 10:18

Paul & Crew (Christian Believers) would have been preaching false doctrines as to the Lord's Second coming. And a large, if not a huge portion would have left the new church. (as did happen to Adventist in 1844)

Matt. 24 is progressive in repeated history. Even men's heart failing them for fear!
But the part most of today's Christians (even) miss, is Christ & Paul both being INSPIRED to state that this second time around "IT WILL BE CUT SHORT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS". What does that mean? We see in documented hindsight from 27-34 AD seven years (Daniel's 'midst of the week') up until Saul (Paul) was converted & was the one to take the Everlasting Gospel to the Gentile.

The True Fold of Christ's OWN had ALREADY REJECTED HIM! Matthew 23:38. This was the ABOMINATION THAT MADE DESOLATE this ex/true/fold!! And it was aprox. 36 years until the ARMIES took Jerusalem. The four Gospels as most call them, give different TRUTH in this setting of Abomination of the True Fold & it destruction. The MIDNIGHT CRY is the JUDGEMENT HOUR to the VIRGIN CHURCH. (see 1 Peter 4:17 for both times..O.T. end and N.T. ending) and the slaughter of Ezekiel 9:1-6 is the Loud Cry of the professed of Israel of old. (the counterpart of the Revelation 17:1-5 ones & 666) There are two GOING OUT in Matthew 25:1-6. These are COMBINED times of warning.

Remember that Israel were going ALL OVER THE WORLD making converts at Christ's day here. (Note Matthew 23:15) God LOVED these ignorant ones & He gave them (not the rejected already judged fold) 36 more years for maturity to see if they would accept the Everlasting Gospel message from the short lived life of the 12, (except John) and the same exact Everlasting Gospel one of Paul.

The above Matt. 24 is mis-understood in Daniel 9:25-27 by most, because of the two time periods being different by being 'cut short in RIGHTEOUSNESS' in the SECOND time around Truth, as Christ documented.

Then: There are those also who do not understand who Israel now were in Christ's day! They do not know what a CLOSED DOOR meant. Or an DESOLATE FOLD. They might re/read Revelation 3:9 or Revelation 17:1-5. Even Isaiah 5:3 is prophesied for the rejection of Christ by His own true Virgin FOLD! And the APOSTATE FOLD? It stayed put to do satans work, what was Saul doing in Acts 9:1?

If one would just toss all preconceived stuff, and just use Matthew 4:4, 2 Timothy 3:16 along with 1 Corinthians 14:32, and then BELIEVE the WORD OF CHRIST in Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15's DOUBLE TWICE STATED TRUTH, then they could understand Matthew 24 +!

It is kind of 'interesting' with what most of the today ones might do with Peter's three time vision from the Lord? Most already knew what the vision meant even at the first vision, huh?

Anyhow: We see Matt. 24 about a done deal AGAIN for the last time! No more 36 years. The only thing of great importance still missing, is Christ's documentation of the Matthew 10:23 explanation of the finished product of the Matthew 25 Virgin parable to His disciples. (take note that Christ was already there 'speaking' at that first coming) This ENDING can all be understood as again now taking place from Matthew 10:5-38.
--Elijah

 

[Hitch]

Re: Tribulation...

Originally Posted by Elijah674
What does Matt. 24:14 teach?
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Is it Hitch? (whatever?) Elijah back with this from you:


'That when the gospel has reached around the then known civilized world the full end of the prechrisitian era will have been realized. As per the writer of Hebrews 9;26.'

OK: Me again, do you believe in Eccl. 3:14 that is as clear a warning about '.. it shall be for ever nothing can be put to it, nor anything [taken from it:] and God doeth it..' & that is the same WARNING as Rev. 22 closes out with, except it states that ones name can be & will be REMOVED FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE when anyone knowingly violates the Warning.

So, find me if you will where this God of mine has ever said such a thing, OK? 'That when the gospel has reached around the then known civilized world the full end of the prechrisitian era will have been realized. As per the writer of Hebrews 9;26.'
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5For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:


16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.


4Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,

5For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+24:14&version=KJV

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+24:14&version=KJVhttp://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+24:14&version=KJV Got it?

 

[Hitch]

do you believe that only the words in red are true. Well then here...

Jesus said He would return in the sky and gather His saints,repay the evil world,bind satan, and establish His kingdom,why do you not believe these words of Jesus?

It doesnt take much to see who set the parameter here and what it is

Mathew 1347 Again, the KINGDOM of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And this has what to do with Christ 'coming back to set up his kingdom?

A rotten stump could see from your text the kingom was operation before the seperation.

Do you understand what 'before' means?

 

[Hitch]

That is why I did not answer him,you answered his question but he pretends that you did not answer his question,because he has this kind of an attitude it is not possible to tell him anything.

Thats not true Sam .

You didnt answer because I caught you with your pants down and you cant quote Jesus saying anything about coming back to set up his kingdom and you're not man enough to admit you're 'mistake', he said kindly.

Jesus said He would return in the sky and gather His saints,repay the evil world,bind satan, and establish His kingdom,why do you not believe these words of Jesus?

'These words of Jesus'

You made that up didnt you Sam?

Produce the quote Sam ,show me up, you 've already implied I dont know anything about the Bible, so this should be easy for a scholar such as yourself. Jesus talked about the kingdom all the time yet you cant quote him saying what you told us he did can you?

 

[warhorse]

Jesus said He would return in the sky and gather His saints,repay the evil world,bind satan, and establish His kingdom,why do you not believe these words of Jesus?

It doesnt take much to see who set the parameter here and what it is

And this has what to do with Christ 'coming back to set up his kingdom?

A rotten stump could see from your text the kingom was operation before the seperation.

Do you understand what 'before' means?

Denial will not change what is, Hitch ,this statement cooperates well with our positions, and this is not the first time you have demanded Jesus quotes only. Evidently the rest of the word is invalid to you when it doesnt suit your cause.

 

[Hitch]

Denial will not change what is,

Niether will that change it into what you need, Jesus returning to set uo his kingdom, the quote you chose presents quite the opposite, too bad for you ,try again.

Hitch ,this statement cooperates well with our positions,

not if your positions include Christ returning to set up his kingdom as earlier stated

and this is not the first time you have demanded Jesus quotes only. Evidently the rest of the word is invalid to you when it doesnt suit your cause.

Originally Posted by Hitch
Jesus said He would return in the sky and gather His saints,repay the evil world,bind satan, and establish His kingdom,why do you not believe these words of Jesus?

You are misinformed, the quote above in pink is from Sam.

 

[Hitch]

Sam must still be looking for that quote...

 

[Sam21]

Sam must still be looking for that quote...

So the angels telling the disciples that Jesus would return in the sky in bodily form is not enough evidence for you?

 

[Hitch]

So the angels telling the disciples that Jesus would return in the sky in bodily form is not enough evidence for you?

Originally Posted by Hitch
Jesus said He would return in the sky and gather His saints,repay the evil world,bind satan, and establish His kingdom,why do you not believe these words of Jesus?

LOL Since you utterly failed finding the words you falsely ascribed to Jesus it is to be expected you would fall on you face again, since the angels didnt say word about Jesus coming to establish his kingdom.

You do understand that its not right to pretend Jesus said things that are not recorded, yes?

 

[warhorse]

Niether will that change it into what you need, Jesus returning to set uo his kingdom, the quote you chose presents quite the opposite, too bad for you ,try again. not if your positions include Christ returning to set up his kingdom as earlier stated

You are misinformed, the quote above in pink is from Sam.

1 Thess1v4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

 

[Hitch]

1 Thess1v4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Hmmm they are suffering for what? How in light of Sams quote below, can it be the Kingdom ?

6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

See Christians believe that they are born into the kingdom of darkness and are translated into the Kingdom of His dear Son (Christ).

Satanic forces would prefer we did not believe this kingdom is a real and operational force. Too bad for them.

Originally Posted by Hitch Sams quote:
Jesus said He would return in the sky and gather His saints,repay the evil world,bind satan, and establish His kingdom,why do you not believe these words of Jesus?

 

[Hitch]

You and Sam would both be way ahead to admit the faux pas and move on. But then futurism is primarily made up of outlandish attempts to cover mistakes.

But of course you are invited to prove me wrong ,good luck. :p

Originally Posted by Hitch
Jesus said He would return in the sky and gather His saints,repay the evil world,bind satan, and establish His kingdom,why do you not believe these words of Jesus?

 

[n2thelight]

When was death defeated,if in 70ad,why are people still dying?

Why are we still in flesh bodies?

Reba

When in our world looking back at history does the above verse not fit? Wars and rumours of wars is the norm.

That's one of the main problems with this AD 70 theory,Christ will not return until there is peace...

1 Thessalonians 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

That's how satan as the antichrist comes,in peace...

II Corinthians 11:14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

Daniel 11:21 "And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceable, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries."

How do you explain how that not a single promise in the Bible is provably left for the vast majority of Christians who ever lived? (All of us who lived after the DOJ, including the apostles who lived beyond the DOJ.)

How do you explain that not a single command in the Bible is provably applicable to anyone except those who lived before the DOJ? Technically, the 70 AD doctrine renders the Bible as nothing but "interesting reading" for anyone who lives beyond the DOJ. Ask a 70 ADer to PROVE otherwise using his theory. It is not possible.

Certainly, communion cannot be proved to be necessary in any form for anyone living beyond the DOJ. Why? Because Paul stated that its purpose was to "show forth [Christ's] death until He comes again." Since Christ "came" in 70 AD, communion is therefore no longer necessary.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Let me try to explain something using the above verse....

The Day of the Lord starts the milennium,it is 1 day,ie 1000 years

From Genesis to right now in history has been 6 days(ie 6000 years)Christ in my opinion will return on the 7th day,ie day of rest......

Christ said we will not know the day,however we are too know the season,fact remains,that season much less that day was not in 70ad

 

[warhorse]

You and Sam would both be way ahead to admit the faux pas and move on. But then futurism is primarily made up of outlandish attempts to cover mistakes.

But of course you are invited to prove me wrong ,good luck. :p

Originally Posted by Hitch
Jesus said He would return in the sky and gather His saints,repay the evil world,bind satan, and establish His kingdom,why do you not believe these words of Jesus?

We have shown you plenty of scripture to support this statement. i am not sure why you are unable to comprehend basic english but i will pray that the lord will lead you to scriptural understanding.

 

[Sam21]

Originally Posted by Hitch
Jesus said He would return in the sky and gather His saints,repay the evil world,bind satan, and establish His kingdom,why do you not believe these words of Jesus?

LOL Since you utterly failed finding the words you falsely ascribed to Jesus it is to be expected you would fall on you face again, since the angels didnt say word about Jesus coming to establish his kingdom.

You do understand that its not right to pretend Jesus said things that are not recorded, yes?

You do like to play games, Jesus came preaching the coming kingdom of God,most folks would conclude from this that there is coming a kingdom of God,Jesus then died to open the door for citizenship in that kingdom,then Jesus went back to heaven and told the disciples that He was preparing a place for them that where He was they would be,then Jesus told the disciples they would follow Him(after death). A disciple of Christ is a disciple of Christ,what Jesus taught to the 12 He taught to all(with a few exceptions).

 

[Sam21]

Hmmm they are suffering for what? How in light of Sams quote below, can it be the Kingdom ? See Christians believe that they are born into the kingdom of darkness and are translated into the Kingdom of His dear Son (Christ).

Satanic forces would prefer we did not believe this kingdom is a real and operational force. Too bad for them.

Originally Posted by Hitch Sams quote:
Jesus said He would return in the sky and gather His saints,repay the evil world,bind satan, and establish His kingdom,why do you not believe these words of Jesus?

If you are preterist there are no "satanic forces",satan was bound,remember...it appears that you are just messing with people..do you even know where you stand?

 

[n2thelight]

Let me tell you all, with 100% certainty,why Christ has not returned yet,because when He does,nothing on this entire board, will be debatable.In other words,you will know without a doubt!!!!

 

[Stormcrow]

When was death defeated[?]

:o

Ah...er...that would be with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

[Stormcrow]

Let me tell you all, with 100% certainty,why Christ has not returned yet,because when He does,nothing on this entire board, will be debatable.In other words,you will know without a doubt!!!!

"Jesus loves me this I know
'Cause the Bible tells me so..."

(And the Bible tells me a lot of other things that I can know from it, too!)