Tribulation...

[Prince]

"Jesus loves me this I know
'Cause the Bible tells me so..."

(And the Bible tells me a lot of other things that I can know from it, too!)

Hello SC

Im not sure I understand what your getting at here, can you explain further?

 

[Sinthesis]

If you are preterist there are no "satanic forces",satan was bound,remember...

Hogwash! Preterism is not monolithic, and you are certainly not the authority on the ramifications of fulfilled scripture.

 

[warhorse]

This thread was on the tribulation, lets keep it that way please. Its a waste of time to debate preterists, they have eyes to see but can not see, and ears to hear but can not hear.

 

[reba]

This thread was on the tribulation, lets keep it that way please. Its a waste of time to debate preterists, they have eyes to see but can not see, and ears to hear but can not hear.

Warhorse that is almost a polite request ;) I will ask and put out a strong effort to keep the thread on topic.

 

[warfrog]

Warhorse that is almost a polite request ;) I will ask and put out a strong effort to keep the thread on topic.

Unfortunately politeness from any of us seems to be a rare occurance in these topics, from anyone, preterist or whatever futerist are called and anything else inbetween.
Its really a shame discussions cant go on here without haughtiness, pride and bit snipping at one another.

Thats the one thing ive learned since being on this site and can also be accused of myself, no matter who's got the right interpretation out of any of us, which is none of us, bcause none of us can actually interpret what God says properly without Him giving it directly to us. We are all acting wrong toward each other......alot. 8(

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[reba]

Yup I agree There is so much we all can discuss have different views and just discuss. But we are off topic?

So what are your thoughts on tribulation?

 

[Hitch]

If you are preterist there are no "satanic forces",satan was bound,remember...it appears that you are just messing with people..do you even know where you stand?

I stand in good company. You have tried to put words Jesus never uttered in his mouth too .

So Sam ,since you're an expert how about you quot me saying there are 'no satanic' forces.

It just another of your silly fabrications isnt it Sam?

Come on Sam either you can quote me or you have made something up and posted it again. What would your mother say?

On the other hand I can be quoted saying the kingdom grows through history along side the enemy. And I have said that and referenced Matt 13 many times.

 

[Hitch]

This thread was on the tribulation, lets keep it that way please. Its a waste of time to debate preterists, they have eyes to see but can not see, and ears to hear but can not hear.

LOL cute.

 

[Sinthesis]

Yup I agree There is so much we all can discuss have different views and just discuss. But we are off topic?

So what are your thoughts on tribulation?

Rom 8:35 - Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 - As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 - Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 - Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Act 14:22 - Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

2Cr 1:3 ¶ Blessed [be] God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2Cr 1:4 - Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

Jhn 16:33 - These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
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The thing is that everyone will, as a consequence of being a human in a fallen world, perceive tribulation. What is important is that your tribulation come as a consequence of your following Jesus.

2Cr 2:15 - For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
2Cr 2:16 - To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
2Cr 2:17 - For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.​

 

[Sam21]

Hogwash! Preterism is not monolithic, and you are certainly not the authority on the ramifications of fulfilled scripture.

"Preterism is not monolithic?" So you all just believe whatever? I suppose that I am an authority on the ramifications of fulfilled scripture as much as you are,so get down off your high horse.

 

[warfrog]

Yup I agree There is so much we all can discuss have different views and just discuss. But we are off topic?

So what are your thoughts on tribulation?

You know my thoughts, i think we have been in tribulation since Eve was tempted by Satan in the garden.
I however do not believe the tribulation for the most part in Revelations has occured, the work of lawlessness is indeed in the world but the man of lawlessness that will be revealed when that which restrains him is taken out of the way has not yet occured, i believe we are in the seals and they began at the ascension of Christ.
Nor do i think Satan has been bound, defeated yes, but not bound or put in the lake of fire, defeated in the same sence all His have been resurrected because it will be done, they havent recieved the incorruptible body Christ was risen in, but will recieve it.
"It is finished" in other words victory has come, we know it is done, it just hasent happened yet, just as judgement has come and hasent been done yet.

Understand what i mean?

I actually do agree with some things preterist view Ie: the temple spoken of isnt actually a building of rock and cement or stone, the temple is each heart of man and that is where God recides, through His Holy Spirit.
So those expecting someone to stop animal sacrifices and set up an abomination in an actual man made temple on earth is wrong, the temple is in the heart and the abomination that stands where it ought not to be standing is the man of lawlessness declaring himself as God and all the people not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb having him dwell in thier hearts as God, believing he is God.
The stopping of sacrifice is the mark and worship of his image, because we know by scripture anyone who takes the mark is condemned eternally, therefore the sacrifice is taken away, that is, Christ will be taken away from all who take his (man of lawlessness/the beast) mark and worship his (man of lawlessness/the beast) image, then furthermore declare in thier hearts, believe %100 he is God.

I agree with "futurist" that Christ's second coming hasent occured, we have the promise of the Helper, but not the actual bodily resurrection when corruption/flesh is raised into incorruption/spiritual body, which will look pretty much the same as our current body, they didnt notice anything signifigantly different when Jesus was raised, they saw no difference to mention suspicion, in fact mary spoke to Him as a common man.
And i agree that we will literal reign on earth for a 1000 years with Christ over those nations that recide during that time and we will remain in the beloved city and the camp of the saints which will be in the very vacinity of the beloved city.

So tribulation for me depends on what your speaking regarding tribulation, because there has been tribulation since the beggining, its daily and it will occur in the future, the tribulation mentioned in Revelation however from the 6th seal onwards has not occured.
Satan is still in heaven and still prowls the earth but will be thrown out on the third woe in Revelations.

That pretty much sums it up for me Reba 8)

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[warhorse]

You know my thoughts, i think we have been in tribulation since Eve was tempted by Satan in the garden.
I however do not believe the tribulation for the most part in Revelations has occured, the work of lawlessness is indeed in the world but the man of lawlessness that will be revealed when that which restrains him is taken out of the way has not yet occured, i believe we are in the seals and they began at the ascension of Christ.
Nor do i think Satan has been bound, defeated yes, but not bound or put in the lake of fire, defeated in the same sence all His have been resurrected because it will be done, they havent recieved the incorruptible body Christ was risen in, but will recieve it.
"It is finished" in other words victory has come, we know it is done, it just hasent happened yet, just as judgement has come and hasent been done yet.

Understand what i mean?

I actually do agree with some things preterist view Ie: the temple spoken of isnt actually a building of rock and cement or stone, the temple is each heart of man and that is where God recides, through His Holy Spirit.
So those expecting someone to stop animal sacrifices and set up an abomination in an actual man made temple on earth is wrong, the temple is in the heart and the abomination that stands where it ought not to be standing is the man of lawlessness declaring himself as God and all the people not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb having him dwell in thier hearts as God, believing he is God.
The stopping of sacrifice is the mark and worship of his image, because we know by scripture anyone who takes the mark is condemned eternally, therefore the sacrifice is taken away, that is, Christ will be taken away from all who take his (man of lawlessness/the beast) mark and worship his (man of lawlessness/the beast) image, then furthermore declare in thier hearts, believe %100 he is God.

I agree with "futurist" that Christ's second coming hasent occured, we have the promise of the Helper, but not the actual bodily resurrection when corruption/flesh is raised into incorruption/spiritual body, which will look pretty much the same as our current body, they didnt notice anything signifigantly different when Jesus was raised, they saw no difference to mention suspicion, in fact mary spoke to Him as a common man.
And i agree that we will literal reign on earth for a 1000 years with Christ over those nations that recide during that time and we will remain in the beloved city and the camp of the saints which will be in the very vacinity of the beloved city.

So tribulation for me depends on what your speaking regarding tribulation, because there has been tribulation since the beggining, its daily and it will occur in the future, the tribulation mentioned in Revelation however from the 6th seal onwards has not occured.
Satan is still in heaven and still prowls the earth but will be thrown out on the third woe in Revelations.

That pretty much sums it up for me Reba 8)

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Wow... are positions are very close. Thanks for the detailed explanation.

 

[n2thelight]

:o

Ah...er...that would be with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

So if death(satan)has been defeated,why is there still evil in the world?

Revelation 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

And the above,when did that happen?

 

[Stormcrow]

So if death(satan)has been defeated,why is there still evil in the world?

Death is Satan??? Please show me where THAT verse is in the Bible!

In fact, Christ took the keys of death and hell from Satan when He defeated him at the cross!

Wow! 2

And there is still evil in the world because human beings have had, do have, and will have free will! No need to blame Satan when sinfulness, selfishness and stupidity are so ubiquitous.

 

[jasoncran]

so those voices that wanted me to sin. was just me, paul after the cross said we war not agianst flesh and blood but agaisnt prinicpalities and high places.

those cant be men. but devils! if they can do that then they aint so defeated as in bound and in chains in the abyss. we have to bind them and make them thoughts captive. satan blinds men. why would paul call satan the ruler of the air?

 

[freeway]

From Adam to now we haved lived in tribulation one way or another. But the Great tribulation that will come upon the "Whole World" no. When it comes I don't believe we will have to have a debate on it. :D

 

[n2thelight]

Death is Satan??? Please show me where THAT verse is in the Bible!

In fact, Christ took the keys of death and hell from Satan when He defeated him at the cross!

Wow! 2

And there is still evil in the world because human beings have had, do have, and will have free will! No need to blame Satan when sinfulness, selfishness and stupidity are so ubiquitous.

Im not talking about sin,as all have and still do.When death is defeated no one will ever die again,yet there is still dying....satan is the reason we die,it is he who has the power of death,which is why he is called death.Although defeated,he has yet to be destroyed

Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is the devil;"

He will also be the reason why some will die the second death,which is the death of the soul

 

[Sam21]

I believe that Rev was the last word from God and that it was given to the church after 90AD and that none of Rev past chapter 4 has yet occured. I see no evidence otherwise,I have read a lot of unfounded claims but no evidence. I also believe that any spirit that would led christians to believe that Jesus will not return bodily in the same way He went would have to be from satan. Jesus was clear that He would return bodily,in the sky,and that all the people of the earth would see Him.

 

[Stormcrow]

I believe that Rev was the last word from God and that it was given to the church after 90AD and that none of Rev past chapter 4 has yet occured. I see no evidence otherwise,I have read a lot of unfounded claims but no evidence.

That's because - by your very own admission - you refuse to see the evidence!

It is coming folks, and no devil from hell will convince me otherwise.

Willfully obtuse AND insulting all in one! Way to go !

 

[reba]

I for one enjoy the endtime topics! They push me to study scripture which i believe is a good thing!

When one of these threads get shut down it hurts us all. If you didn't like these types of threads you wouldn't be posting here. I dont want to loose another thread lets try and be grown up and STOP with the insults. There are forums where everyone has to agree or they are gone. There is no discussion in those places if that is what we wanted we would not be here.

All we have here is words on 'paper' getting our points/feelings understood can be difficult. Not being understood can make us angry/frustrated but we can do better. The other guy is us. Lets see if we can be kind and respectful in our differing opinions. The snipes are not edifying to the giver or the recipient. Those of us are by nature more snipey then the others , need to work harder.

Jas 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.



Not anymore directed at Storm just because he was the last poster then the rest of US.