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[tim-from-pa]

Sorry, I asked another question in post #32 here it is again....

How do you understand the pronoun 'he' in this scripture, being used for the Comforter?
Joh 14:26 and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.

The parsing for the Comforter is masculine singular. The parsing is the same for 'he', masculine singular.
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14-26.htm

OK, this is the only question I am answering up to post 40 that has to do with the topic at hand, so I'm going to answer this and be off for the day doing other things.

Using a pronoun is in itself weak in proving a person. Several times it's also translated it or itself, so which is it now? My understanding of Greek (I read Hebrew better albeit like a 5-year old who sounds out English ) is that the nouns have masculine or feminine genders attached. It's sort of like Spanish I remember taking years ago. Nouns have a masculine or feminine gender attached to them, although the noun is not necessarily a living being (it could be a car-carro, the "o" signifying masculine. Gato is unspecified or tomcat, gata is female, etc). But when translating to English (we have no masculine or feminine) we would attach the pronoun he or she. "She's a beautiful ship" is something a Captain might say of his ship. But we know the ship is not a female entity, but rather "pronouned" that way. So the translators translated the Spirit of God that way when an accurate translation would be neuter "it's a beautiful ship". So we specify a person(al) masculine as he, feminine as she and neuter as it without specifying it in the noun.

 

[Deborah13]

OK, this is the only question I am answering up to post 40 that has to do with the topic at hand, so I'm going to answer this and be off for the day doing other things.

Using a pronoun is in itself weak in proving a person. Several times it's also translated it or itself, so which is it now? My understanding of Greek (I read Hebrew better albeit like a 5-year old who sounds out English ) is that the nouns have masculine or feminine genders attached. It's sort of like Spanish I remember taking years ago. Nouns have a masculine or feminine gender attached to them, although the noun is not necessarily a living being (it could be a car-carro, the "o" signifying masculine. Gato is unspecified or tomcat, gata is female, etc). But when translating to English (we have no masculine or feminine) we would attach the pronoun he or she. "She's a beautiful ship" is something a Captain might say of his ship. But we know the ship is not a female entity, but rather "pronouned" that way. So the translators translated the Spirit of God that way when an accurate translation would be neuter "it's a beautiful ship". So we specify a person(al) masculine as he, feminine as she and neuter as it without specifying it in the noun.

2 Didn't think about that, sorry to bug you....
Thanks for taking the time to give such a though answer. Hope you have a great day.

 

[th1b.taylor]

2 Didn't think about that, sorry to bug you....
Thanks for taking the time to give such a though answer. Hope you have a great day.

I pray he has a blessed day but it is still curious that my direct questions are shuttled off into oblivia.

 

[th1b.taylor]

What do you mean in the end times?. They already have divided and faith is weak. Fellowship also has near come to an end from division. When people go to church they dont fellowship. There is no fellowship. They go there listen to music for half hour then and look ahead at the preacher who talks about the church for half hour and about donating and go out and finding more people to become 'members" next week because God wants more people in church to be saved so they can also donate, then they talk scripture for about 5 mins, then walk out the door into there ferrari and go home.

How often in a church service do you see anyone talking and having fellowship with the person next to them. They look forward, not sideways. Straight ahead focus.

Dan,
That is such a harsh, cruel, opinion of the Church, today. I wish I could say, without lying, that your assessment is wrong but that would be a lie. On the other side, the Church and not the churches still lives. Since '95 I have been a member of four Churches, one Prison Ministry and have visited a number of other Churches and churches.

From these experiences I have come to know that I am in Fellowship with a very special, small, group of people. Since my conversion I have organized one traveling Music Ministry and have been a performing member of four others.

In addition I have been both witness and activist in establishing, true, Christian Fellowship in more than one assembly and have witnessed both sides of the issue. I have been, both, warmly received and rejected as being to forward.

There is a key verse in the scriptures, in the New Testament, where Jesus assures us that the road into Heaven is straight and the gate to it is very narrow, resulting in very few being saved. Much of the World considers this passage to be Hate Speech, so much so that some will neither teach nor preach this passage because of the World's view.

There is another passage where we are taught that some will be so self deluded that they will tell God, "but LORD, we did this and/or we did that in your name" and god will explain to them that He never knew them.

Couple all of this with the mid-eighties Barna Group's where they took the Bible and composed a Double Blind Survey questioning only on basic tenants such as believing in the Virgin Birth, believing that the death of Jesus paid for our Personal Sins and believing that Jesus will Rapture the Believer out before the Earth is destroyed and replenished. This survey was double blind so as to get the most accurate responses, possible.

I hold, having been one Paranoid Liar myself that some will lie even so because they are not at all sure the Pastor or someone is not filming or watching through a peep hole somewhere in the room. All of this being so, the result still came in at less than two percent of the faithful believe. That, almost certainly includes some liars and the result is not from one church nor from one group of churches but is the result at the end of the Nation Wide, Cross Denominational Survey.

In Silver Springs Baptist Church of Magnolia, Texas we have a sweet, sweet, fellowship but only because so many are surrendered to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Better than 99% of the world's population do not even wish to find out if He is real and there is the problem, springing forth.

 

[ezrider]

Dan,
That is such a harsh, cruel, opinion of the Church, today. I wish I could say, without lying, that your assessment is wrong but that would be a lie. On the other side, the Church and not the churches still lives. Since '95 I have been a member of four Churches, one Prison Ministry and have visited a number of other Churches and churches.

From these experiences I have come to know that I am in Fellowship with a very special, small, group of people. Since my conversion I have organized one traveling Music Ministry and have been a performing member of four others.

In addition I have been both witness and activist in establishing, true, Christian Fellowship in more than one assembly and have witnessed both sides of the issue. I have been, both, warmly received and rejected as being to forward.

There is a key verse in the scriptures, in the New Testament, where Jesus assures us that the road into Heaven is straight and the gate to it is very narrow, resulting in very few being saved. Much of the World considers this passage to be Hate Speech, so much so that some will neither teach nor preach this passage because of the World's view.

There is another passage where we are taught that some will be so self deluded that they will tell God, "but LORD, we did this and/or we did that in your name" and god will explain to them that He never knew them.

Couple all of this with the mid-eighties Barna Group's where they took the Bible and composed a Double Blind Survey questioning only on basic tenants such as believing in the Virgin Birth, believing that the death of Jesus paid for our Personal Sins and believing that Jesus will Rapture the Believer out before the Earth is destroyed and replenished. This survey was double blind so as to get the most accurate responses, possible.

I hold, having been one Paranoid Liar myself that some will lie even so because they are not at all sure the Pastor or someone is not filming or watching through a peep hole somewhere in the room. All of this being so, the result still came in at less than two percent of the faithful believe. That, almost certainly includes some liars and the result is not from one church nor from one group of churches but is the result at the end of the Nation Wide, Cross Denominational Survey.

In Silver Springs Baptist Church of Magnolia, Texas we have a sweet, sweet, fellowship but only because so many are surrendered to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Better than 99% of the world's population do not even wish to find out if He is real and there is the problem, springing forth.

Bill,

It seams to me that you are doing quite a lot of boasting about your works of the flesh. Now don't get me wrong, I find your works very admirable, and in fact listening to you talk about your different ministries and the joy you take in them makes me feel as if I have contributed nothing at all. But I must ask what do we gain from the works of the flesh?

There are many who think that to enter in through that narrow gate means that they have to work toward perfect obedience in the flesh, so they come back into bondage to the deeds of the flesh, and stray from the path set before them. The works of the flesh are but ashes scorched in the flame; but the perfection of Faith shall stand the test of time.

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[th1b.taylor]

Bill,

It seams to me that you are doing quite a lot of boasting about your works of the flesh. Now don't get me wrong, I find your works very admirable, and in fact listening to you talk about your different ministries and the joy you take in them makes me feel as if I have contributed nothing at all. But I must ask what do we gain from the works of the flesh?

There are many who think that to enter in through that narrow gate means that they have to work toward perfect obedience in the flesh, so they come back into bondage to the deeds of the flesh, and stray from the path set before them. The works of the flesh are but ashes scorched in the flame; but the perfection of Faith shall stand the test of time.

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Had I worked in the flesh, you would be right, if I had. Were I as guilty of boasting as you are of lusting, I would again be guilty. God knows my heart and there is not a single thing I can ever do to convince you, Dan, Chopper, Reba nor anyone else that I do and I do not work for fleshly adoration, just as I did before I walked away from the two million dollar Record Contract the day I walked off stage, that is the work of the Holy Spirit, the One that is certain of my works.

The truth is, God has never called anyone to be a Lone Ranger Christian and like Paul I have never, since the day I missed my first chance to be a Witness for Jesus, missed a chance to witness nor to encourage anyone else. Over the time I have been strapped to this bed and chair I have been left to use the Computer to encourage people, just as I sought to encourage Dan by mentioning my journey before I found a group of more than two or three willing to walk with Christ, all the way.

The truth of this matter is I thank you for the ¿mild? but worldly rebuke, it goes a long way to set in stone proof that any that will follow with be set upon.

 

[th1b.taylor]

My intentions are never to generalise or hurt other peoples feelings but speak truth from what i personaly witnessed. I know there are small home groups and small fellowship out there but thats it. Like i have always said the bigger something grows the more corrupt it becomes.

I am still yet to witness a "member" style church that is not focused on itself.

The one church i went to never told me to go preach the gospel and gave me what i needed. Instead they took from me. I wonder where my donation ended up. They said go find more "members" for the church so they can hide in a building each week and worship baal.

And I understand, it can be very difficult to find true fellowship in this Latter Day Church but if we fail not in our search it is there to be found but one must wade past the Salties before they will ever find it and Gators and Crocks will eat you up if you're not careful.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Thats exactly what they want taylor. They want everyone to hate each other and divide everyone for instability and give all power to the AC through the law. That is the law itself. The AC is now and will come out from the law itself.

Am i allowed to say this or is it hate speech. Thats the AC at work.

There is that element inside the walls, the natural walls, of the Church today. As for Hate Speech, Christians, those indwelt with and following the Holy Spirit are anything but PC. If you are telling a truth and not doing so viciously, no, it's not Hate Speech... unless the one listening does not follow the Light.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Its just sad people get offended by words for other peoples world views. Anyone who stands firm on there world view would never get offended by anything someone else says.

It use to be actions speak louder than words and now its words speak louder than actions.

The more people moan and complain and have a cry over something someone said under'hate speech', the more personal freedoms they are really taking away from themselves. They dont like other peoples world view so they are also not allowed thete own either. Lol.

Yes, the men I partied with in the mid to loate sixties from Down Under loved their freedom just as much as I did. And though I am not familiar with Australia today, I am often floored by the American willingness to redefine everything.

From my first day onj thye Matida Search Engine Forums I have been offended by the views of people from around the world and though, from the Army days and the days I hung out with a few of the American One Percenters, I knew I did not have the right to not be offended, as a
Christian Witness on Matilda I, really, had to come to grips with people's offending view points. After all, unlike a Christian Forum, Matilda was a World Wide Secular Forum that God pushed me into for training.

I wish that more Christians were like my wife and I and had some form of experience with the One Percenters of the Biker World. They would know much more about uncondfitionbal love.