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Truly I Tell You

phil marriner said:
I enjoy all peoples Jewels and Pearls of wisdom whether i agree with them or not its not about knowledge but to Glorify CHrist amongst us. SO use whatever terms you like.You asked the questions and i answered. now all of a sudden you dont like it. Peace and love to you on your journey.FInd out what love is friend and walk in it
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Just because you gave an answer doesn't mean your answer was right.
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phil marriner said:
Ok enjoy your bodily resurrection. I look forward to the transformation from mortal into immortal.Flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven
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jesus did, he is described as bearing the wounds in heaven. how can he be fleshly and be evil? oh wait jesus had a body and physically ascended into heaven. he wasn't a gnostic.

so there's a heavenly earth in new Jerusalem? that god dwells with man on the earth? but its not the earth?
 
phil marriner said:
God is a spirit . I did not say Messiah was fleshly or evil. He was transformed into immortal which is not fleshly
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he never wasn't immortal. he couldn't die. and yes he had body. are you a gnostic? you post as such. did jesus literally bleed? did he eat? yup and yup. died also a hunger.cry, feel heat and cold. yes.
 
he gave his life and allowed a death to occur, there is a difference tween that and also being as you say.
 
Yes he did die , he had to .Thats why he emptied himself and became flesh. He even stayed flesh in his death so the price was paid he took Gods wrath that was meant for us. It was the greatest act of love in history.Thats why he was in anguish during his life because of what he was about to face. He defeated Satan once and for all time
 
phil marriner said:
Yes he did die , he had to .Thats why he emptied himself and became flesh. He even stayed flesh in his death so the price was paid he took Gods wrath that was meant for us. It was the greatest act of love in history
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and was he is flesh evil? remember what adam had, jesus had.

and when jesus arose, what did he appear as? a spirit? he had wounds and so forth. look im not saying I fully understand this stuff I don't, but there will be a bodily resurrection. gah I hate the greek culture of then more and more. but was jesus just flesh? no, he wasn't he was fully god per john 1
 
What do you mean was his flesh evil of course not he was without sin but tempted. God emptied himself and became flesh it tells you but what is mortal became immortal because he defeated death for all of us
 
phil marriner said:
What do you mean was his flesh evil of course not he was without sin but tempted. God emptied himself and became flesh it tells you but what is mortal became immortal because he defeated death for all of us
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so when jesus was the on earth, was he not god? or was he. if was just flesh then how can he just that? he was both god and flesh , its called the hyperstatic union. both god and man. if you notice paul still calls him that as well,he also had to be more then just a man in that satan had to yield to him.
are you a Trinitarian? do you believe in the father, the son and the holy ghost as three disctinct persons and yet one?

and how could this be if he was just flesh?

Colossians 2:9.
 
phil marriner said:
Fully man Fully God
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yet, you deny a bodily resurrection? what did jesus have after the resurrection? a spirit? if adam didn't sin he wouldn't have died. that is where we will be like if death was conquered fully then and delt with(the later being the case as its being dealt with) then why would jesus say in a lying manner that you have passed from death unto life if you believe upon me and then paul says that death is the final enemy?

one Corinthians 15.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed
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you say that jesus had flesh and blood and yet and was both god and man equally, yet how did become king if that is to be taken literally? its not talking about cells and tissues and blood but of the nature of how we act.

if was that literal jesus couldn't be the KING of the very Kingdom he preached. for it would be an evil nature he had.
 
I do not deny the bodily resurrection. Jesus can take many forms . At first no one recognised him. We shall be changed from corruptable meaning the flesh into incorruptable meaning spirit . THe body enters into a gloried state
 
phil marriner said:
I od not deny the bodily resurrection. Jesus can take many forms . At first no one recognised him
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ok, oddly you implied it but saying that theres no body that flesh is bad and now when I say what the bible says you change?

I think you are struggling with the new body and what it is.welcome to the club. I don't know either
 
phil marriner said:
I do not deny the bodily resurrection. Jesus can take many forms . At first no one recognised him. We shall be changed from corruptable meaning the flesh into incorruptable meaning spirit . THe body enters into a gloried state
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What about the catching up of the living? When does that take place?
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jasonc said:
ok, oddly you implied it but saying that theres no body that flesh is bad and now when I say what the bible says you change?

I think you are struggling with the new body and what it is.welcome to the club. I don't know either
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No we are not struggling we are all on the right lines and the revealing of everything comes out of the soup mix,.What you say sits fine with me. Our Messiah Died and resurrected is a good starting point for all to share
 
Gary said:
What about the catching up of the living? When does that take place?
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Why did the early church understand this? Why was this the belief in the early church; that Messiah Yahusha had returned, fulfilled the Old Covenant, and all could be grafted into the New Covenant through Yahuah Father's Son, the Messiah? Revelation was written years before 70AD for the Hebrew and Gentile Believers, so that they would be strengthened, and not fall away, because of the intense persecution they were undergoing by the religious leadership in the
Temple (Pharisees,Sadducees,Herodians) and the Roman govt., which had joined the religious leadership in trying to destroy the Believers in the Way. The early church understood and believed Messiah Yahusha's Words. This understanding of the Book of Revelations began to be twisted in the 1830s with Darby, Scofield, etc (Jesuit infiltration), until we have the craziness that we have today; with everybody predicting when a seal has opened, or a trumpet sounds, or a bowl is poured out. This is craziness and disrespect to Messiah Yahusha's Words. Why did Messiah address specifically the people He was talking to, and say that His generation would see Him return in the clouds- an imagery that denotes power because it comes from the Throne in the Heavens? Why did Yahusha address Apostle Peter and say about Apostle John "...If I want him to remain TIL I COME, what is that to you? You follow Me. Therefore this Word went out among the brothers that this talmid would not die, but, "IF I DESIRE HIM TO REMAIN UNTIL I COME, WHAT IS IT TO YOU?" I do not like to think that we too are a wicked generation that twists the Word of Messiah Yahusha to fit preconceptions based on erroneous teachings. Messiah Yahusha came for His people, the ancient Hebrews (Israel) that were divorced or separated (apostate) from the Old Covenant. By dying on the Cross, He as their Husband released them from their marriage Covenant, and allowed them to enter into a new marriage Covenant with Him,as the Bride of Messiah. He did not forsake His people Israel (the ancient Hebrews). He came back for them, so they could reenter through the Door, and no longer be separated from Him. "I return for the lost sheep of Israel." After His Resurrection, He then taught His Apostles and Disciples; that Gentiles were to be grafted into the New Covenant. The Bride of Yahusha Messiah were the 1st Believers in Yahusha Messiah and His Way; the Elect that suffered horrific persecution. In 70AD, Messiah came back for His Bride, just like He said He would. The dead in Messiah were resurrected and the living in Messiah were translated, and the Bride returned home with Messiah to the Heavens, just like He said it would happen. Do we believe in Messiah's Word or not? Believers today in Messiah need to open the ancient books, and read about all the supernatural things that happened between 30AD and 70AD. Where did all the apostles and disciples of Messiah go after 70AD? They wrote nothing else and they were no longer heard from. The early church was almost extinguished between the heavy persecution, and the fact that the apostles, disciples, and The Bride of Messiah, both Hebrew and Gentile, were gone. Some later church records say Apostle John lasted to an old age. I believe Messiah Yahusha. Apostle John did not see physical death; he was translated with The Bride of Messiah in 70AD. Apostle John wrote nothing else or did anything else of note for the early church. Why? Because John was in Heaven with Messiah. This is what Yahusha's Words say. This is what historical records show. Where does that leave us in the year 2013? Yahusha defeated death. He restored Yahuah's Kingdom to us. All can return to Yahuah Father through the Door, Yahusha Messiah, while on earth, or when we return to heaven after our physical death. That is the Good News! We are no longer separated from our Father, while on earth or after physical death! Rejoice! satan has no power over us
 
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