TULIP - Irresistible Grace

[Walpole]

So do you insinuate here that what the Angel told mary in Vs Lk 1:30-37 is contingent on marys choice ?

Yes, of course. To believe otherwise would render God a rapist.

Is that what you believe?

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, of course. To believe otherwise would render God a rapist.

Is that what you believe?

Then thats an attack on Gods Sovereignty as I see it, and elevating the creatures will over Gods.

 

[brightfame52]

Your asking the wrong person.

I don’t subscribe to the doctrine of total depravity.

And Total depravity is a necessary Gospel Doctrine !

 

[JLB]

And Total depravity is a necessary Gospel Doctrine !

By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7

Was Noah Totally Depraved?

 

[JLB]

Then thats an attack on Gods Sovereignty as I see it, and elevating the creatures will over Gods.

Show us a scripture using the word Sovereignty of God, so we understand what is meant by the Sovereignty of God.

Does it mean God persuaded some to sin while persuading others to do what’s right?

 

[brightfame52]

By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7

Was Noah Totally Depraved?

Everyone is totally depraved until God has mercy on them and save them, which will only be His elect, which Noah was an elect

 

[brightfame52]

Show us a scripture using the word Sovereignty of God, so we understand what is meant by the Sovereignty of God.

Does it mean God persuaded some to sin while persuading others to do what’s right?

Then that's an attack on Gods Sovereignty as I see it, and elevating the creatures will over Gods. Dont need a scripture that uses the word sovereignty of God for people to attack His Sovereignty. Show scripture that says, you need a scripture saying Sovereignty for God to be Sovereign !

 

[donadams]

MY copies are illicit??
What did I say that you post this to me?

I don't own any copies of scripture.
Illicit or othewise.

Do you mean Protestant copies?
They are the same Don.
It's HOW they're exegeted that changes.

sorry was responding to someone else!

 

[donadams]

So do you insinuate here that what the Angel told mary in Vs Lk 1:30-37 was contingent on marys decision and choice ?

yes

“Why is it that the mystery of the Incarnation is not realise without Mary’s consent?” asks St. Ireneus, and he answers: “Because God willed her to be the source of all graces.” Lk 1:38 (proof that the angel was not just delivering a message and Mary consented is in the fact that He waited for Her response then departed) Lk 1:38

 

[donadams]

Your asking the wrong person.

I don’t subscribe to the doctrine of total depravity.

thks

 

[JLB]

Everyone is totally depraved until God has mercy on them and save them, which will only be His elect, which Noah was an elect

Where does it say Noah was elect?

Wasn’t Noah totally depraved?

 

[JLB]

Then that's an attack on Gods Sovereignty as I see it, and elevating the creatures will over Gods. Dont need a scripture that uses the word sovereignty of God for people to attack His Sovereignty. Show scripture that says, you need a scripture saying Sovereignty for God to be Sovereign !

Ok. So no scripture about the Sovereignty of God.

I guess I will have to rely on you to explain what it means.

Does it mean God persuaded some to sin while persuading others to do what’s right?

 

[JLB]

Everyone is totally depraved until God has mercy on them and save them, which will only be His elect, which Noah was an elect

But the scripture says Noah obeyed God to build the Ark, and became righteous.

That sounds like Noah did something to be considered righteous.

That something he did was to obey God when God warned him of the flood and to build the ark.

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Hebrews 11:7

First Noah was spoken to by God, and he received faith.

Noah obeyed what God said.

Noah then… and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

 

[brightfame52]

yes

“Why is it that the mystery of the Incarnation is not realise without Mary’s consent?” asks St. Ireneus, and he answers: “Because God willed her to be the source of all graces.” Lk 1:38 (proof that the angel was not just delivering a message and Mary consented is in the fact that He waited for Her response then departed) Lk 1:38

Thats another attack on Gods Sovereignty and making His Sovereign declarations on what shall be depend on the choice/consent of a little teenage girl He created at the time, how dishonoring to God.

 

[brightfame52]

Where does it say Noah was elect?

Wasn’t Noah totally depraved?

Where does it say Noah wasnt elect ? All men are totally depraved, even the elect

 

[brightfame52]

Ok. So no scripture about the Sovereignty of God.

I guess I will have to rely on you to explain what it means.

Does it mean God persuaded some to sin while persuading others to do what’s right?

Ok. So no scripture denying the Sovereignty of God.

 

[brightfame52]

But the scripture says Noah obeyed God to build the Ark, and became righteous.

That sounds like Noah did something to be considered righteous.

That something he did was to obey God when God warned him of the flood and to build the ark.

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Hebrews 11:7

First Noah was spoken to by God, and he received faith.

Noah obeyed what God said.

Noah then… and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Where does scripture say that noah wasnt totally depraved ? Didnt he get drunk ? Is drunkeness a depravity

 

[JLB]

Where does it say Noah wasnt elect ? All men are totally depraved, even the elect

Where does it say all men are totally depraved?

 

[donadams]

Thats another attack on Gods Sovereignty and making His Sovereign declarations on what shall be depend on the choice/consent of a little teenage girl He created at the time, how dishonoring to God.

you prefer Robots!

 

[JLB]

Where does scripture say that noah wasnt totally depraved ?

Right here -

By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Hebrews 11:7


And here -

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Genesis 6:8


Please post the scripture that says Noah was totally depraved.