UFO Disclosure

[jasonc]

Uhm .no if we have a Snowden and others and lassange,we would have a version of them about this.yet the government's of the world would also know nor just America. We aren't the only ones in space

 

[JonMJ33]

What do you believe?

Good question.
What I believe is constantly evolving as I learn more about the world I live in. What I believe is not concrete, it is open to new evidence and understanding. I hold nothing with absolute certainty. What I believe regarding UFO's is being expressed with each post I make. I believe that the angels and demons of old are the same as the ET's we speak of today. Malevolent and benevolent ET's/entities or whatever exist and that contact has already been made by some of these entities and our government. I believe it is being kept from us for many reasons, indeed entire books have been written on the subject. If you would like, I can go into more detail about that.
As for spirituality, I am not fully sure what I believe, but I do think that consciousness has some real part in it all. I believe that there is something, what that something is I don't know. Some people may call it God, which I am sort of ok with, as long as it is not the definition of the God or gods of any formal religion.

 

[JonMJ33]

So the government found a way to justify wasting more billions of dollars without question. This is not new, and has nothing to do with Aliens. When I was in the Air force, I saw a saucer shape aircraft made by McDonnell Douglas and assembled at Scott Air Force Base, a prototype of the new spy planes. (Which they crashed in UT) all with the security clearance of a shuttle driver who had to wait in the top secret facilities for high ranking personal. It looked like a flying saucer to me.

The point though is that if I could see them build this thing as I visited each day, then there had to be thousands of others like me with security clearance that we should not have, see and prove all kinds of other things, and there is no proof, nothing concrete, and nothing our government is hiding concerning UFO's.

All I had to do was sign some papers, and get my yellow badge, you give the government far to much credit on keeping things secret.

So here are a few more examples for you.
Lets start with the Manhattan Project. The early days of the project began in 1939 and it eventually employed over 100,000 people. None of which had the full picture as to what they were working on, let alone people in the general public. Except for a handful of people (and perhaps some German/Soviet spies) no one knew about the atomic bomb until they were dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Again compartmentalization.

As for the UFO phenomenon specifically:
In 1993 Laurance Rockefeller established the UFO Disclosure Initiative for the Clinton administration only to essentially be rebuffed by the Air Force. You can read in detail here:
-Records from the Clinton OSTP Related to UFOs,
Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Laurance Rockefeller Initiative

Also consider the fact that John Podesta who was Chief of Staff to Bill Clinton and Obama's counselor and is currently Chairman for Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign said:

His biggest failure was not securing the disclosure of UFO files.-Washinton Post

Podesta also speaks about disclosure and releasing UFO files here:
[Youtube]

 

[JonMJ33]

I have studied UFOs intensely for nearly 50 years and have had one legitimate sighting (a small disk paced my car at very close range, and both occupants clearly saw it). The best current thinking on UFOs has pretty much nothing to do with aliens in the sense of flesh-and-blood beings in nuts-and-bolts craft who travel here from other star systems. The Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis just doesn't fit the facts. The best thinking involves an interaction with another dimension or a parallel (or higher) reality. Even among those who are not religious, the notion of UFOs as "demonic" (or at least "spiritual and malevolent") is taken seriously and has gained popularity in recent years. The demonic theory actually does fit the facts quite well - as well as the facts of the related "alien abduction" phenomenon. One thing I know for sure (and many other serious researchers have noted as well): too much involvement with UFOs is not a healthy thing and is potentially dangerous.

These ideas are only held by some researchers. Who says ET's don't have access to other dimensions or parallel realities? Indeed with the kind of technology involved with such an advanced intelligence hyperdimensional physics would no doubt be involved. Again you are simply stating one school of thought within Ufology, and as far as I can tell it is not the "best current thinking." Some think all ET's are bad, some think they are all benevolent, it is more likely (based on case files) that both malevolent and benevolent as well as indifferent species exist. As for flesh and blood or not, who says that can't be both? Christ was supposedly both flesh and blood and of the spirit. Of course there are numerous doctrinal differences regarding this.

One thing I know for sure (and many other serious researchers have noted as well): too much involvement with UFOs is not a healthy thing and is potentially dangerous.

This may be in some cases, but according to the actual case files which are available for anyone to read suggest otherwise. Both negative and positive experiences come of UFO involvement. Consider John E. Mack who was a Harvard Professor and Psychiatrist and Pulitzer prize winner who was a leading expert in abduction cases is one researcher who shows convincingly that there is a great deal of positivity that comes from these experiences.

 

[JonMJ33]

"Secret military technology" is one of the theories that absolutely does not fit the facts. Especially over the past 20 years, "secret military technology" does explain (or at least could explain) a fair number of incidents, but there is no way it explains the UFO phenomenon. Just as an example, there is a heavy psychic/paranormal component associated with many, many UFO incidents (including mine). The UFO phenomenon is definitely "spiritual" in nature (regardless of whether you mean "spiritual" in a religious sense or more of a "too weird to be accommodated by our physics" sense). Anyone who has actually studied the UFO literature - and I'm talking about thousands of books and reports - knows this is true. Some dinosaurs like Stanton Friedman still promote the Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis, but no one thinks "secret military technology" explains the UFO phenomenon. I suspect the government does have some startling information on UFOs that even the President or the Director of the CIA will never see, but my guess is that the government is as puzzled as the rest of us. A book by a credible author (or at least as credible as anyone in this field ever is) was published last year in which the author claimed the "demonic" theory is taken seriously by a segment within the U.S. government; I haven't read it, so I can't comment.

I agree that some of the UFO events are explained by secret human technologies and that others are not. I agree there is some kind of a "spiritual" or whatever side to this, I just don't think it is all negative or malevolent.

 

[JonMJ33]

I'd say absolutely. There's two possibilities here, right? Either the "aliens" are demonic, as postulated based on Genesis 6 and therefore sinners in that they are wandering spirits already condemned to hell as sinners, or...they are 'from other planets and star systems' so...we fall back to scripture on that and recall that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and..thou shalt have no other Gods before me. (Apparently, the aliens are taking credit for 'seeding' this planet to make man and so forth, making them liars and sinners)
I don't recall any scriptures which make exception for any beings with respect to the Lord our God who made all
John 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made./(KJV)

with nothing about except the aliens from beta reticuli or whatever, lol.

So yes, aliens are sinners too. Lying, demonic, spirit of the anti-Christ.

I think the Vatican's stance on this is definitely interesting to point out.

The Alien Is My Brother.-Catholic News Agency

Pope Francis spent some time during Mass at the Vatican on Monday talking about alien life forms, and suggested that Martians, should they ever visit Earth, would be welcome to be baptized as well.-The Christian Post

The Rev. José Gabriel Funes, an astronomer who directs the observatory, said he's open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life and has been for quite some time. Funes finds no contradiction between Catholic theology and the belief in aliens. He has said in the past that humans shouldn't put limits on God's creative freedom.-Huffington Post

 

[JonMJ33]

Uhm .no if we have a Snowden and others and lassange,we would have a version of them about this.

Whistleblowers are a plenty, the problem is not that people don't come out with leaked information, the problem is when they do they are labeled as nut jobs and are immediately shunned. Everything is done to try and discredit these individuals. You can look it up yourself or if you prefer I can provide a list of whistleblowers for you? It is worth noting that there are some who believe that there is information within the Snowden leaks regarding UFO's and aliens. Iran certainly is of this mindset.

yet the government's of the world would also know nor just America. We aren't the only ones in space

No one said just the U.S knows about this. Who's to say that other governments have not benefited in some way from this secrecy. Actually there are many who believe that Russia and China are pressuring the U.S. for disclosure. It is also worth noting that the idea of governments being in full control of this information is probably a flawed idea. In fact much evidence points to supranational groups and private enterprises as being major players in controlling the UFO information.

 

[jasonc]

Whistleblowers are a plenty, the problem is not that people don't come out with leaked information, the problem is when they do they are labeled as nut jobs and are immediately shunned. Everything is done to try and discredit these individuals. You can look it up yourself or if you prefer I can provide a list of whistleblowers for you? It is worth noting that there are some who believe that there is information within the Snowden leaks regarding UFO's and aliens. Iran certainly is of this mindset.


No one said just the U.S knows about this. Who's to say that other governments have not benefited in some way from this secrecy. Actually there are many who believe that Russia and China are pressuring the U.S. for disclosure. It is also worth noting that the idea of governments being in full control of this information is probably a flawed idea. In fact much evidence points to supranational groups and private enterprises as being major players in controlling the UFO information.

Uhm Snowden ,in in prison,the other in Russia on exile.the othera arent,no.that is why I don't buy given that we'll the fcc van pull any selected nut off the net or air.sorry I don't buy that.nevermind that most ftl never really do deal with turning the ship save trek.but they even said warp speeds over warp 9 aren't realistic.that isn't including negating the faster they go the more g are generated.yes gravity increases as you move.

 

[tim-from-pa]

The book takes what the bible did not mention, and suggests the Son's of God means angels despite the Holy Spirit not using the Word messenger and these spirits created as servants are somehow able to have children with humans.
Also the Word Giant is a definition carry over from the Arabic language. So missing in Gen are Angels, and Giants.

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
(Luk 3:38)
The Line of Seth, were the Sons of God, coming from Adam, Adam from God.The Line that should have been serving God, did not.
naphal.: means to fall, which the men did who should have been serving God. The Giant part came from a definition out of the Arabic language, not belonging to the original Hebrew. God said all flesh had been corrupted before me, God never said a blessed thing about created servants, angels, or anything else.

Angels would need DNA, they would need to be created flesh and blood as each seed produces after it's own kind.

Men are called Sons of God, not angels.
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
(Hos 1:10)

The Holy Spirit even knowing ahead our crazy doctrines gave us Word to stop the folly of this thinking.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
(Heb 1:5)

At no time would God have mentioned Angels are his son, Job is the only place it's not very clear who Satan presented himself with, or where He was at.

Enoch might be great fantasy reading, but it certainly does not have a place understanding scriptures.

Mike.

I'm just curious. Did you ever read the book of Enoch? If so, that would answer your question about the DNA part and the part where Jesus said the angels don't marry or given in marriage.

Also, that's not true that the bible does not sometimes call angels the sons of God. Job 38:7 is an example. The Hosea passage uses sons of the living God where God is singular, (אֵל) unlike the other sons of God mentioned where God is plural. I trust you know that the sons of the living God appies to physical (geneological) nation of Israel born of the flesh, not the Jews, right?

 

[JonMJ33]

Uhm Snowden ,in in prison,the other in Russia on exile.the othera arent,

Snowden has been granted asylum in Russia, and Assange has been granted asylum by Ecuador at the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

no.that is why I don't buy given that we'll the fcc van pull any selected nut off the net or air.sorry I don't buy that.

I am not exactly sure what you are saying here?

nevermind that most ftl never really do deal with turning the ship save trek.but they even said warp speeds over warp 9 aren't realistic.that isn't including negating the faster they go the more g are generated.yes gravity increases as you move.

In Star Trek warp 1 through 9 are just science fiction, in the real world it would not work that way. Consider NASA's new EMDrive:

Much of the scientific community believes that faster-than-light travel is physically impossible, and no matter the material, accelerating something to such ludicrous speeds simply can't happen.

However, there are also those who believe that faster-than-light travel is possible - and one team may have just accidentally stumbled onto it.-Nasa may have just accidentally discovered faster than light travel/TechTimes.com

Also, the issue with regards to gravity increasing the faster you go is no longer an issue when you are in a "warp bubble." There is also inertial damper technology already in existence, it is safe to say that an advance civilization would have much more sophisticated tech in this area.
Also watch this video regarding the tech involved with UFO's. The video includes Dr. Robert Wood a former McDonnel Douglas engineer, Dr. Steven Greer of the "Disclosure Project," Dr. Thomas Valone of the "Integrity Research Institute," and Dr. Roger Leir one of the foremost experts on extracted tech from abductees.
[youtube]

 

[jasonc]

So the man Roddenberry didn't consult nasa.he did.they Said if you have impulse engines thrusting the ship disorts.it's a reality. You wouldn't need it idf is a made up term for the show.it just to make it sound real.didn't you know that.that applies to impulse and lower propulsion.no not you tube.I want an unfiltered video from the National archives.all congressional meetings are recorded there.should be simple.

 

[Brother Mike]

I'm just curious. Did you ever read the book of Enoch? If so, that would answer your question about the DNA part and the part where Jesus said the angels don't marry or given in marriage.

Also, that's not true that the bible does not sometimes call angels the sons of God. Job 38:7 is an example. The Hosea passage uses sons of the living God where God is singular, (אֵל) unlike the other sons of God mentioned where God is plural. I trust you know that the sons of the living God appies to physical (geneological) nation of Israel born of the flesh, not the Jews, right?

The book of Enoch, much like the Star Wars Trilogy answers no biblical questions. El, and Elohim are both used for God interchangeably in other scriptures.

Despite ignoring the scripture I gave, that at no time has God called an angel a Son. If the term "Son's of God" refereed to Angels, then the distinction is made in Job that Satan being fallen tagged along with un-fallen Angels. It could not be Fallen Angels called Sons of God mating with Humans, because Fallen Angels are not Sons of God but disobedient and set for punishment.

Jesus also answered the question about seed lines and marriage, and stated that Angels don't marry, don't create, don't produce seed.

Some might say Jesus only refereed to Angels in Heaven. Then back again to "Sons of God" are not a term used for evil angels, but the Line of Seth who did not obey God is a very exact term that fits.

What about the offspring of the Angel and Human?

First, if it where possible (And it's not, spirit is spirit, not DNA and flesh) then any offspring of a Angelic/Human Hybrid would have drowned in the flood. If it had flesh, it drowned.
So that means more would have to be produced, and ZERO are being produced.

Zec_12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Not only that, for a Human/Angelic flesh hybrid to even be alive, it would need a spirit, and only God forms the spirit in each man, they are not created through flesh means. The body without the spirit is dead, so God would have to be honoring these demonic creations by helping them along........... NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!

The best the devil can do is possess people, devils can't reproduce themselves, can't create their own spirits, and don't have sex with humans.

To think God's created servants have creative power like God, so much to make a man who is fearfully and wonderfully made, is a mind trapped in fantasy land, and have mixed fiction with Bible to the point they no longer know the difference.

Get back on the Word. Each Seed produces after it's own Kind, and Angel and Human are two different kinds, one a spirit being, the other a flesh and blood being, created in the image of God, not a created servant.

Seriously, the book of Enoch said the evil spirits on earth were produced by man, through the reproduction of the watchers...... It's crazy.

Mike.

 

[jasonc]

Uhm so the ships have no need for navy deflectors,no concerns for stars pulls,Eddie currents in space,with the fcc the government just allows leaks?so why classify anything then at all then

 

[tim-from-pa]

The book of Enoch, much like the Star Wars Trilogy answers no biblical questions. El, and Elohim are both used for God interchangeably in other scriptures.

Despite ignoring the scripture I gave, that at no time has God called an angel a Son. If the term "Son's of God" refereed to Angels, then the distinction is made in Job that Satan being fallen tagged along with un-fallen Angels. It could not be Fallen Angels called Sons of God mating with Humans, because Fallen Angels are not Sons of God but disobedient and set for punishment.

Jesus also answered the question about seed lines and marriage, and stated that Angels don't marry, don't create, don't produce seed.

Some might say Jesus only refereed to Angels in Heaven. Then back again to "Sons of God" are not a term used for evil angels, but the Line of Seth who did not obey God is a very exact term that fits.

What about the offspring of the Angel and Human?

First, if it where possible (And it's not, spirit is spirit, not DNA and flesh) then any offspring of a Angelic/Human Hybrid would have drowned in the flood. If it had flesh, it drowned.
So that means more would have to be produced, and ZERO are being produced.

Zec_12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Not only that, for a Human/Angelic flesh hybrid to even be alive, it would need a spirit, and only God forms the spirit in each man, they are not created through flesh means. The body without the spirit is dead, so God would have to be honoring these demonic creations by helping them along........... NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!

The best the devil can do is possess people, devils can't reproduce themselves, can't create their own spirits, and don't have sex with humans.

To think God's created servants have creative power like God, so much to make a man who is fearfully and wonderfully made, is a mind trapped in fantasy land, and have mixed fiction with Bible to the point they no longer know the difference.

Get back on the Word. Each Seed produces after it's own Kind, and Angel and Human are two different kinds, one a spirit being, the other a flesh and blood being, created in the image of God, not a created servant.

Mike.

OK thanks. I take that as a "no", didn't read it. The reason I asked is because it answers that question about angel/human hybrids and what Enoch said to them. I'll go back to studying like a Berean. Thanks for telling me about something you did not read. I'm sorry I wasted my time reading Enoch, when I could have just left it alone and likewise commented in the manner you did to some other misguided person.

 

[Brother Mike]

OK thanks. I take that as a "no", didn't read it. The reason I asked is because it answers that question about angel/human hybrids and what Enoch said to them. I'll go back to studying like a Berean. Thanks for telling me about something you did not read. I'm sorry I wasted my time reading Enoch, when I could have just left it alone and likewise commented in the manner you did to some other misguided person.

I did Read Enoch, I saw how the 3 angles had to go alert God to let him know how his creation was all messed up, despite the Spirit of God being on the Earth with man at that time. I read how evil spirits came from humans, not the devil and His angels as Jesus said.

I don't know who started this rumor about Angelic/Human hybrids. God would have to give each one a spirit for that flesh body to just be alive, but the book of Enoch said the bodies came from the breeding of the watchers, meaning Satan must have figured out how to create spirits.

You don't see any issues with any of this? I did read Enoch, but at no time did I consider it's scriptural inaccuracies as being true.

The only Reason Satan would want a Human/hybrid is to have the authority to operate in the spiritual power here on earth in a legal way. This is why they denial of Christ in the flesh, because Christ in the flesh is the anointing and power of God in flesh. That is what He would want to mimic.

why do you think this is important to end time events?

Mike.

 

[Edward]

That is assuming 'aliens' even exist.

True that. But we know from scripture that there are demons and evil spirits. That's not in question is it?

 

[Edward]

I'm just curious. Did you ever read the book of Enoch? If so, that would answer your question about the DNA part and the part where Jesus said the angels don't marry or given in marriage.

Also, that's not true that the bible does not sometimes call angels the sons of God. Job 38:7 is an example. The Hosea passage uses sons of the living God where God is singular, (אֵל) unlike the other sons of God mentioned where God is plural. I trust you know that the sons of the living God appies to physical (geneological) nation of Israel born of the flesh, not the Jews, right?

The way I heard it explained (and it makes sense to me) is that the 'sons of God' are beings that are a direct creation of God. Like all the Angels and even Adam. But not the offspring of the direct creations. I'm not sure about Eve being a direct creation or not. In Job we see the sons of God referenced.

Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD./ (KJV)

Nowhere in scripture is man referred to as a sons of God. As far as the book of Enoch goes, it is not scripture and should not be treated as scripture, however, it is useful and interesting to read in that it shines light on the language that was used back then and also provides additional details of some biblical stories.

I like the book of Enoch. It says that not only did shadrach meshach and abednego go through the firey furnace, but so did Abraham! Also, it tells of Noah's birth, and that when Noah was born, he came forth speaking praises unto the Lord our God and was shining brightly. It scared the pee out of everyone in the house when that happened and the sought out Enoch to tell him of these things and asked if they were safe from Noah. Wow.

 

[Edward]

I think the Vatican's stance on this is definitely interesting to point out.

That doesn't surprise me, lol. But in order to be baptized, they would have to confess the Lord Jesus, wouldn't they? Test them! test test test.

They may dance around the test and confession of the Lord and spout a bunch of gobbledegook and dunk them in water to make a pseudo baptism.

 

[Pizza]

This thread has been kinda light hearted...so it did not get deleted... guys remember the TOS..

Discussions of conspiracy theories often lead to slander and hostile debate. Therefore, discussion of conspiracy theories is prohibited.

ADMIN

Since most "end times" discussions are full of baloney, I guess this thread can stand.

 

[reba]