UFO Disclosure

[jasonc]

lol

 

[Pizza]

I did NOT mean to imply that ANY end times discussion is baloney - what I have seen (here and elsewhere) is a tendency to count events as fulfilling prophecy which are clearly NOT fulfilling prophecy. Extreme examples would be:
1) When Regan was shot and recovered - therefore he had a mortal wound and that means he's the antichrist.
or
2) When Pope John Paul II was shot four times and recovered - a mortal wound - so HE is the antichrist.

 

[Edward]

Sounds like it's largely a subjective assessment of the particular mod that runs the forum, if it's acceptable or having gone too far.

 

[JonMJ33]

Since most "end times" discussions are full of baloney, I guess this thread can stand.

Please specify where the "baloney" exists within the information that I am presenting. Otherwise your statement is utterly useless.

 

[smaller]

It might be important to consider that there is not a single shred of hard physical evidence for UFO's or aliens on earth or alien human hybrids or any such sorts. Most conspiracy theories revolve around the government absconding with evidence and keeping things secret. Which they probably do, but at some point a piece of hard physical evidence should have showed up by now, you would think.

Just a bunch of speculations, some quite wildly so.

I also entirely discard any notions that devils are "high tech" aliens.

 

[JonMJ33]

So the man Roddenberry didn't consult nasa.he did.they Said if you have impulse engines thrusting the ship disorts.it's a reality. You wouldn't need it idf is a made up term for the show.it just to make it sound real.didn't you know that.that applies to impulse and lower propulsion.

Theoretical physicist Michio Kaku starts talking about interstellar travel at 4:49, actually check out the whole video. It might assist in answering some of your questions.
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Here Michio Kaku talks about the science of Hyperspace. Actually if you read his books "Hyperspace" and "Physics of the Impossible" there is a massive amount of great information regarding the type of physics involved in this conversation.
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no not you tube.I want an unfiltered video from the National archives.all congressional meetings are recorded there.should be simple.

I apologize for the miscommunication, but the video I posted was not a congressional hearing, it was a National Press Club event that former Senate and Congressmen presided over. It was a 5 day event and there are hours and hours of this event that can be viewed on Youtube.

 

[JonMJ33]

It might be important to consider that there is not a single shred of hard physical evidence for UFO's or aliens on earth or alien human hybrids or any such sorts. Most conspiracy theories revolve around the government absconding with evidence and keeping things secret. Which they probably do, but at some point a piece of hard physical evidence should have showed up by now, you would think.

Just a bunch of speculations, some quite wildly so.

I also entirely discard any notions that devils are "high tech" aliens.

I absolutely agree, it would be nice to have a physical piece of hands on evidence to show the world. Unfortunately its not as simple as that. If in fact UFOs and ET's are real, and the primary focus of those in "the know" was to keep it secret, would it not be logical to have a vast system in place for surveillance of not only the craft themselves but of our own population in order to know when and where something of UFO importance were to take place. If there was chatter in any way regarding UFOs crashed or otherwise the NSA or some other agency would know about it. Once they know about it, the black SUV's show up and confiscate it. This is not my speculation, this is what is reported time and again. Then the individuals that say they had a sighting or piece of hardware or actual bodies are labeled as cooks. True this is speculation to some extent, but it does not take very much intelligence to see how such an operation would work. Furthermore, there are instances where the possession of real hardware is suspected, yet in order to identify it what do you do? Send it off to a lab and then never see or hear about it again?
Dr. Roger Leir may be of some interest to you. He is the go to guy for the removal of implants from abductees.
It is also worth noting that just because we don't "officially" have a piece of hard evidence, it would be absolutely and utterly foolish to throw out the multitude of all the other evidence. When we have astronauts, cosmonauts, generals, colonels, majors and every other rank in the military, intelligence officers, defense and government contractors, politicians, FAA officials, pilots, countless radar verification, the disruption of nuclear facilities all attesting to the reality of UFOs, I think it might be prudent to just maybe listen a bit. This would constitute at the very least the need for further investigation. Indeed there have been many government and government sponsored investigations into the phenomenon all of which have been clearly shown to be nothing more than lip service to the general public and were simply put in place to squash the debate.

Dr. Allen Hynek who was one of the governments top scientists for Project Sign, Project Grudge and Project Blue Book for decades and was the individual that would show up on the news explaining away UFO's as gas swamp or some other such nonsense, would eventually become one of the leading advocates in favor of the existence of UFOs. Funny how that works right? Here you can hear him speak on the matter:
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As for an example of the crash retrieval phenomenon, Roswell is an excellent place to start. Major Jesse Marcel who was one of the first on the scene in Roswell and is the one in the famous picture holding a piece of a downed weather balloon later on in life came out with what he really knew about the incident. You can hear him speak about it here:
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There are several other videos on Youtube of the Major speaking at great length regarding the incident.

 

[ezrider]

I will not get involved with the topic of this discussion. But it is always secret for those in the know. Isn't it.

Government secrets.
Masonic Secrets
Prior of Sion Secrets

shall we go on. Why should I concern myself with their secrets? What are they for me?

For if there was any truth to it, then it would not be a secret, for they would not be able to contain themselves. You see, if you listen for the children of the Kingdom, you shall hear them sing openly; but only if you listen.

 

[jasonc]

ah yes you tube. that bastion of always honest scientific fact. look I frankly will be blunt. if there is an alien race it might mean that they not God made us. nevermind that there is no real power that they have that has the answers the bible has. all this tech we have hasn't made man better but better at killing each other and we haven't changed

so I have wasted my time posting this over a matter even if true. it wont make me any happier knowing that out there is some alien planet with life. I have issues that are far more important then that.

 

[smaller]

So many conspiracy theories, so little time.

 

[JonMJ33]

I will not get involved with the topic of this discussion.

That's rather convenient.

But it is always secret for those in the know. Isn't it.

It is not all that secret, all people have to do is research for themselves. There are plenty of answers out there regarding this topic.

Why should I concern myself with their secrets? What are they for me?

If the secrets affect you, than it is only logical to be interested. The problem seems to be that most people have no idea about the kind of information that is available to them on this subject. Once they look at the information in real depth, they quickly begin to understand that it affects all of us in a very real way. In the end it is up to you to decide whether or not you really want this question answered.

For if there was any truth to it, then it would not be a secret, for they would not be able to contain themselves.

The evidence suggests otherwise. You just have to look.

 

[JonMJ33]

ah yes you tube. that bastion of always honest scientific fact.

That's not much of an argument my friend. Care to address the information I presented?

nevermind that there is no real power that they have that has the answers the bible has. all this tech we have hasn't made man better but better at killing each other and we haven't changed

That is irrelevant as to whether they exist or not.

so I have wasted my time posting this over a matter even if true. it wont make me any happier knowing that out there is some alien planet with life. I have issues that are far more important then that.

Like some others posted to me at the beginning, in the end people will believe what they want to believe. I cant change that, it is up to you.

 

[JonMJ33]

So many conspiracy theories, so little time.

Another irrelevant comment. Care to address the information I presented?

 

[jasonc]

if the aliens aren't able to save my soul grant me immortality. then I think they are useless to what I need. that is why I don't care. well said paul on jewish fables. that is also what I feel about this.

 

[ezrider]

That's rather convenient.


It is not all that secret, all people have to do is research for themselves. There are plenty of answers out there regarding this topic.

If the secrets affect you, than it is only logical to be interested. The problem seems to be that most people have no idea about the kind of information that is available to them on this subject. Once they look at the information in real depth, they quickly begin to understand that it affects all of us in a very real way. In the end it is up to you to decide whether or not you really want this question answered.


The evidence suggests otherwise. You just have to look.

Maybe my suggestion was lost upon you, so I will say it straightly. If their secrets are not of the Kingdom of Heaven, then they have no value unto me. The secrets of the Kingdom can not be contained, the will spill forth as a flood singing a glorious song.

But if you wish to glory in the matters of this world, or whatever alien world you might be looking for. Then I shall leave you to it, for who am I to tell you any differently. It was the decision and judgement of the Lord, the God of Israel, that he should give over his rebellious people to go and worship the host of heaven.

But now I shall go am return unto my own vine and my own fig tree. I have a song to go learn.

 

[JonMJ33]

if the aliens aren't able to save my soul grant me immortality. then I think they are useless to what I need. that is why I don't care. well said paul on jewish fables. that is also what I feel about this.

Fair enough. If you don't care then you don't care. Its up to you.

 

[jasonc]

Maybe my suggestion was lost upon you, so I will say it straightly. If their secrets are not of the Kingdom of Heaven, then they have no value unto me. The secrets of the Kingdom can not be contained, the will spill forth as a flood singing a glorious song.

But if you wish to glory in the matters of this world, or whatever alien world you might be looking for. Then I shall leave you to it, for who am I to tell you any differently. It was the decision and judgement of the Lord, the God of Israel, that he should give over his rebellious people to go and worship the host of heaven.

But now I shall go am return unto my own vine and my own fig tree. I have a song to go learn.

yeah what he says

 

[JonMJ33]

Maybe my suggestion was lost upon you, so I will say it straightly. If their secrets are not of the Kingdom of Heaven, then they have no value unto me. The secrets of the Kingdom can not be contained, the will spill forth as a flood singing a glorious song.

But if you wish to glory in the matters of this world, or whatever alien world you might be looking for. Then I shall leave you to it, for who am I to tell you any differently. It was the decision and judgement of the Lord, the God of Israel, that he should give over his rebellious people to go and worship the host of heaven.

But now I shall go am return unto my own vine and my own fig tree. I have a song to go learn.

Fair enough.

 

[jasonc]

Fair enough. If you don't care then you don't care. Its up to you.

im a hardcore sci-fi fanatic. but im a realist. I wont expect them to do what they cant do. ie heal what only God can. heal my marriage, heal the hurts of my family. stop death. no member of creation can do all that.

 

[smaller]

Another irrelevant comment. Care to address the information I presented?

It's no amazement to me what anyone might do or say for cold hard cash. So, yeah, call me a bit of a skeptic to understate the matters.