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Bible Study Under The Old Covenant Death Is Forbidden
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Cannon ,or canon are tous but artillery is king of battle.Do you mean canon
OR cannon?
155 howitzer very iintimidating
You just need to pick your positions.
The viewer could pick 20 feet distance between the 5' and 9' people he was viewing (with mountains as a background). The taller person would appear taller than the mountains.
So:
So it is with our conversation. View good and evil in God's perspective and you perceive truth.
Let Satan set up supposed positions and you get a warped different perception.
It is just taking a time to study out which is true.
You know rednecks have trouble thinking like other folks.
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What is God's perspective of evil?
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Uh I was a scout. Jewish Talmud says Moses was taller then Mt horeb.killing the nephillum. Who were as tall. Yes I don't think so.
I also was cav scout looking at tanks from a kilometer or more away to guide arty on it.even with binos those are small .
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We know exactly where evil comes from.
Romans 11:
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
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It's helpful when studying the topic of evil to understand that it's uses are precisely to "KILL" the natural man. God never had any intentions whatsoever of natural man being in an eternal state. Paul makes this very clear in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 defining therein that there is first, a natural man, and afterwards a spiritual man. The powers of evil and death are made by God powers to "terminate" the life of the natural man, to return that body to the dust.
Natural man is shown in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 to be in a state of dishonor, corruption and weakness in a natural body. That was the condition of the first man, Adam, specifically delineated as such by the scripture set.
It is also or should be from a christian theological perspective, an illegitimate act to take God out of involvement with anything that transpires within His Own creation. God did not set the world in motion and then split, never participating, never intervening. That is not a scriptural case.
Scripture tells us clearly that "all things" are of and from God. There are no exceptions to the rule, given.
We also know that God Himself "set" evil and death before us all:
Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Whether we "choose" the fact of evil or not is irrelevant. The fact is evil exists and exists from Gods setting it into creation.
Good and evil is PLACED, Divinely, into our own conscience. These two factors didn't get into our hearts and minds on their own. God made us this way. Whether we 'chose' any particular approach of good or evil we can NOT chose to NOT have evil present with us. Romans 7:21. No choice will eliminate this internal fact of evil's presence within us, in our conscience.
Evil within us all is also exceptionally deceptive. By way of a simple example, believers invariably will read this scripture, and they will all, almost automatically think falsely in their own minds, that they have no evil and that part of the facts below will not and can not apply to themselves.
Luke 6:
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
The hard fact about the above is that all of us DO BOTH.
IF we are being honest, we know we have evil thoughts and that we do sin, which is also evil. But because of the presence of evil with us, believers will read the above and in their evil deceived hearts, they will think only the good part applies to me, but not the evil part. That's how an evil heart brings out the working of hypocrisy in the reader, literally BLINDING them to the obvious, that evil is in fact present with us in our own conscience. And that is an operating example of how deceptive evil really is. Evil is assuredly DECEPTIVE and DISHONEST.
A lot of believers only view evil in the external senses. But that is not the conveyances of scripture. Scripture tells us quite clearly that evil originates INTERNALLY, via evil thoughts. There is no exception for any person NOT to have evil thoughts, not in all of humanity, past to present, other than God in Christ Himself. Matt. 15:19-20, Mark 7:21-23, Matt. 5:28 and Romans 7:7-13 are all "real time" examples that anyone can "internally test" for themselves. If they come to an opposite conclusion, EVIL within them has made them into a liar.
But evil again, in it's evil ways, will seek to blame only the person, and dissect GOD away from the matters. That too is a working of evil, removing God from being "active" in His Own creation at all times.
Some believers will say, "Oh, God is sooo Holy that He can't see or participate in even being around evil." Well, guess again. God is Omnipresent. Any evil that transpires DOES transpire in HIS PRESENCE. It's not like God is sitting on the planet Kolub on a physical throne in another solar system. Gods Presence is everywhere and everything that IS exists within His Omnipresence.
Trying to isolate evil, it's works and it's powers so that God has no hand in it is quite entirely useless. Such minds have merely concocted their own little God carving and stuck it on a shelf of their own making so it doesn't get damaged and that little carving can't do anything about evil powers anyway, because it's simply an idol of their own making. Powerless. Ineffective.
Can God use evil for good? Of course. That's how powerful God really is.
The deployment of natural terms is given to us to understand Spiritual matters. For example, a seed is planted in the ground. IT DIES. And from that comes forth a new and different life. This is how the natural man and the spiritual man is described to us.
The planting conditions are the body, the earth, and what is in that earth is EVIL made precisely to KILL the seed, that it spring up into a NEW LIFE.
Is God then EVIL for setting this system up this way? Absolutely NOT.
We could ask any believer if God made the power of gravity. If they have any sense, they'd say of course. God created all things including the power of gravity. Does that make GOD gravity? Of course it does not. That's would be ridiculous.
So, replace the word gravity with evil.
Did God create the power of evil? Yes. God created everything. Does that make God evil? No. Just as God is not the power of gravity, God is not the power of evil.
Some believers just have very poor analysis of these matters, generally speaking. I'm not saying theodicy is an easy gig. But removing God from the equations of anything that happens in His creation is NOT a credible answer, for a believer in God. Such a conclusion is actually Godless.
The difficulty for the human mind is when we try to make or equal God into some "thing" that exists in creation. This is where most people's understandings go off the rails. God can make any thing, any power, any agency, and it will never compute to "make God" the same as what God created. There is no comparison we have with any created thing to what God Really Is. Only God Himself knows the fullness of what He Is and Consists of. We don't. And we never will.
I'll finish up with a final example of HOW God uses EVIL for GOOD.
When we admit to the facts of having evil present within us, what happens? The SPIRITUAL FRUIT of HONESTY springs forth. And we also have HOPE that God Himself, will, at some point in time, put the power of evil away, permanently.
Look at that simple example, and see what happens. Honesty and Hope comes forth from the darkness of EVIL'S PRESENCE.
Natural man is shown in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 to be in a state of dishonor, corruption and weakness in a natural body. That was the condition of the first man, Adam, specifically delineated as such by the scripture set.
It is also or should be from a christian theological perspective, an illegitimate act to take God out of involvement with anything that transpires within His Own creation. God did not set the world in motion and then split, never participating, never intervening. That is not a scriptural case.
Scripture tells us clearly that "all things" are of and from God. There are no exceptions to the rule, given.
We also know that God Himself "set" evil and death before us all:
Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Whether we "choose" the fact of evil or not is irrelevant. The fact is evil exists and exists from Gods setting it into creation.
Good and evil is PLACED, Divinely, into our own conscience. These two factors didn't get into our hearts and minds on their own. God made us this way. Whether we 'chose' any particular approach of good or evil we can NOT chose to NOT have evil present with us. Romans 7:21. No choice will eliminate this internal fact of evil's presence within us, in our conscience.
Evil within us all is also exceptionally deceptive. By way of a simple example, believers invariably will read this scripture, and they will all, almost automatically think falsely in their own minds, that they have no evil and that part of the facts below will not and can not apply to themselves.
Luke 6:
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
The hard fact about the above is that all of us DO BOTH.
IF we are being honest, we know we have evil thoughts and that we do sin, which is also evil. But because of the presence of evil with us, believers will read the above and in their evil deceived hearts, they will think only the good part applies to me, but not the evil part. That's how an evil heart brings out the working of hypocrisy in the reader, literally BLINDING them to the obvious, that evil is in fact present with us in our own conscience. And that is an operating example of how deceptive evil really is. Evil is assuredly DECEPTIVE and DISHONEST.
A lot of believers only view evil in the external senses. But that is not the conveyances of scripture. Scripture tells us quite clearly that evil originates INTERNALLY, via evil thoughts. There is no exception for any person NOT to have evil thoughts, not in all of humanity, past to present, other than God in Christ Himself. Matt. 15:19-20, Mark 7:21-23, Matt. 5:28 and Romans 7:7-13 are all "real time" examples that anyone can "internally test" for themselves. If they come to an opposite conclusion, EVIL within them has made them into a liar.
But evil again, in it's evil ways, will seek to blame only the person, and dissect GOD away from the matters. That too is a working of evil, removing God from being "active" in His Own creation at all times.
Some believers will say, "Oh, God is sooo Holy that He can't see or participate in even being around evil." Well, guess again. God is Omnipresent. Any evil that transpires DOES transpire in HIS PRESENCE. It's not like God is sitting on the planet Kolub on a physical throne in another solar system. Gods Presence is everywhere and everything that IS exists within His Omnipresence.
Trying to isolate evil, it's works and it's powers so that God has no hand in it is quite entirely useless. Such minds have merely concocted their own little God carving and stuck it on a shelf of their own making so it doesn't get damaged and that little carving can't do anything about evil powers anyway, because it's simply an idol of their own making. Powerless. Ineffective.
Can God use evil for good? Of course. That's how powerful God really is.
The deployment of natural terms is given to us to understand Spiritual matters. For example, a seed is planted in the ground. IT DIES. And from that comes forth a new and different life. This is how the natural man and the spiritual man is described to us.
The planting conditions are the body, the earth, and what is in that earth is EVIL made precisely to KILL the seed, that it spring up into a NEW LIFE.
Is God then EVIL for setting this system up this way? Absolutely NOT.
We could ask any believer if God made the power of gravity. If they have any sense, they'd say of course. God created all things including the power of gravity. Does that make GOD gravity? Of course it does not. That's would be ridiculous.
So, replace the word gravity with evil.
Did God create the power of evil? Yes. God created everything. Does that make God evil? No. Just as God is not the power of gravity, God is not the power of evil.
Some believers just have very poor analysis of these matters, generally speaking. I'm not saying theodicy is an easy gig. But removing God from the equations of anything that happens in His creation is NOT a credible answer, for a believer in God. Such a conclusion is actually Godless.
The difficulty for the human mind is when we try to make or equal God into some "thing" that exists in creation. This is where most people's understandings go off the rails. God can make any thing, any power, any agency, and it will never compute to "make God" the same as what God created. There is no comparison we have with any created thing to what God Really Is. Only God Himself knows the fullness of what He Is and Consists of. We don't. And we never will.
I'll finish up with a final example of HOW God uses EVIL for GOOD.
When we admit to the facts of having evil present within us, what happens? The SPIRITUAL FRUIT of HONESTY springs forth. And we also have HOPE that God Himself, will, at some point in time, put the power of evil away, permanently.
Look at that simple example, and see what happens. Honesty and Hope comes forth from the darkness of EVIL'S PRESENCE.
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Not for Eastern Orthodox.
Orthodox OT contains:Tobit, Judith, 1,2,3 Maccabees, 151 Psalms (different numbering) Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Sirach, Baruch, and Epistle of Jeremiah.
Also, Susanna is at the beginning of Daniel and Bel and the Serpent at the end plus the Hymn of the three Young Men.
It also has 1 and 2 Escras (vs. Ezra) and 2nd Chronicles includes the Prayer of Manasseh.
No Enoch.
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Scripture says nothing about DNA or blood line.
The reason given in scripture for the flood is found at Gen.6:5 and it is the sinfulness of mankind, not bloodline.
The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."
But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. (Gen 6:5-8 RSV)
Also consider:
1Co 4:5-6 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then every man will receive his commendation from God. I have applied all this to myself and Apol'los for your benefit, brethren, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.
citation please
lol???? Really? This is funny?
Gen 15:13-16 (RSV)
Then the LORD said to Abram, "Know of a surety that your descendants will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs, and will be slaves there, and they will be oppressed for four hundred years; but I will bring judgment on the nation which they serve, and afterward they shall come out with great possessions. As for yourself, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age. And they shall come back here in the fourth generation; for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."
The Amorites (Canaanites) were blessed by God to have God's servant Abraham in their midst to testify to them by word and deed of the righteousness of God but they did not receive the testimony of his manner of life. God gave them another 100 years to take notice of the lives of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and 400 years of Israels time in Egypt to consider what God had revealed to them through the witness of His servants but they learned nothing and continued to sin worshiping Baal and Ashtorheth and Moloch with abominable practices.
So, like Sodom and Gomorrah (who were given the witness of righteous Lot) God came to the point when he would no longer tolerate their sin and, lest it infect the rest of mankind like a cancer, God wiped them out as a surgeon would remove a tumor that threatened the life of a person in order to save the life of the person.
iakov the fool
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Nah, it is a limited database. Mostly all Christians though. Non-believers use the Canaanites passage to run down God, Christian's seem to reference it, stating (usually) that they don't understand why God would do such a thing...with the air of belief in the genocide, but not why.
That blows my mind. That Enoch isn't canonized is moot. It's not the gospel. No one's trying to make it the gospel. Christians use that because it seems an easy way to outright reject it without study. When something goes against ones belief system and traditions (lol), it's an easy way out for them. Lukewarm.
(I believe) that it can't be credibly said that if something isn't in the Canon, it isn't true. Our Bible is an introductory book about God. Even after earth passes away, we'll spend an eternity learning more about God.
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Ok.
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The early bible waa put together by men who were far more biblical literate them most today.
They left Enoch for a reason .care to defend the size of the giants that somehow are dead by a flood at the height of 4500 ft? That's one mile almost in height! Nevermind them simply swimming to the top and holding for sometime, or no bodies to recover.can't miss that thing in a skeleton.
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Well, ok. You sound like you want to talk and that's cool, I just don't want to argue or upset anyone, but yeah, I think it's backed up by scripture.
In numbers 13:32-33 it says:
32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.
33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.../
It actually speaks of (great) stature, so we are talking about giants here, then in v33 it says giants and illustrates the size comparison. So there's that.
I agree with you too, 4500 ft tall is...giant giant, wow. Wasn't big bad Goliath only 13 ft tallish? That's a giant right there. If there was 4500 ft tall giants...one would think that pics of skeletons would surface. I've not seen any that big.
Maybe (IF) the giants were that big, their giant genes (whatever) got watered down over time and the became successively smaller??
Because there is lots of pics and videos of giant skeletons, just not 4500 ft tall ones . I've heard it reported more than once, that when they found a giants skeleton, they make calls to announce the finding of course, and people from The Smithsonian Institution show up to inspect and validate (I suppose) it, and they box it all up and take the skeleton...which is never seen again.
Now, I don't know that happened for a fact, I wasn't there, but I have heard the same thing about the Smithsonian, more than once, and from different sources. So, it could be true, it sure sounds like something that they'd do to cover-up those findings because it would bring validity to the Bible! And they can't have that (the spiritual war is real) so...that said, I lean to believing it, because of that.
Btw, Genesis 6 does talk about dna/bloodline, in that it says that Noah was perfect in his generations.
That's what that means. The coming Messiah could not be born into someone's bloodline who was not perfect in their generations. That's scripture too.
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mary wasn't human?
I think you miss the point. the book says its 4500 ft. if its wrong on that what else?. never mind the size ... the females mating that?
not even the jews buy that stuff .
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Good thing I'm not Jewish then. Lol.
It is farout stuff. It prolly is crazy enough to be true. No 4500 footer would be able to mate with a woman, but it doesn't really say that either. It says the fallen angels did.
I don't understand what you mean about Mary. Who said she wasn't human?
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All dna is corrupt.the fallen angels mated with women who birthed those giants per Enoch. Food for thought how big would that baby be ? Let alone feeding it.angels having super natural power to feed the boy ? One of them that size wold wipe out all life. It's like feeding on minnows .how many of those in day would you have to eat to satisfy,never mind water and also your shadow over the land .
13 ft or 9ft is more feasible..if they were 4500 ft surely one of them would be found. Can't hide that.nearly a mIle.we have photos of she'll madden that predate america by centuries and people who remember those .none are found were the photos were taken as people destroyed them.plenty of pre Columbia skulls are found here and lost or collected.I post this in my route pic thread when I hear the story.I have a surveyor friend who tells me that from time to time.one such place was not far from my house.
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The picture is of a canon which would have been used on a ship.
A howitzer is a field artillery piece which would not usually been employed aboard a ship.
The world does seem to have settled on a standard howitzer shell of around 6" in diameter (about 155mm) as the most useful.
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They would have all perished in the flood as only Noah, his wife, his sons, and their wives, 8 in all, survived. No giants. No Nephalim. No bogymen.
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The navy ,modern ,calls the guns aboard destroyers guns.a cav scout or forward observer can direct fire .a 12 inch piece is extremely intimidating. I don't know the range of those.a 155 towed gun was ranged at 12k .a mobile self propelled piece with the same shell is unknown to me. I will have look up the m109 range