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Understanding Salvation.

Watchman 2 said:
3) Taking the first step of Faithing ( not believing) towards God ,the caller. Which is specifically a genuine personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.

4) God accepts the surrendered life as genuine, and moves the surrendered life to be tested in the parable of the sower.

5) only one of the four soils moves forward to the grafting process, where by the continually surrendered life, we can be grafted onto the tree of life " Christ".

6) if the graft takes, which as we know the most important time is at the very beginning of grafting the sprig to the tree. If successful, then and only then will the Spirit of Christ be sealed into the faither or surrendered life.
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3.we accept through faith saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH ---maybe i'm not fully understanding 3 completely .. 4 no so sure agree on parable of sower being a test. life in general is test . the 4 soils only one is good soil and makes it. the grafting is done by God . so when he grafts it takes
 
jerry63935 said:
3.we accept through faith saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH ---maybe i'm not fully understanding 3 completely .. 4 no so sure agree on parable of sower being a test. life in general is test . the 4 soils only one is good soil and makes it. the grafting is done by God . so when he grafts it takes
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3) we are saved by the Grace, the unmerited favor only Christ could provide by being a perfect sacrifice.

Through Faith, means through the personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Done continually!
 
jerry63935 said:
not denying that we are to surrender .but none this comes overnight.this is part of our sanctification
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Sanctification simply means to be separated from. Separated from our sinful nature.

Sanctification occurs when we receive the Spirit of Christ. We then have the sinful nature and the Spirit of Christ engaged in what the NT calls trench warfare, fighting for our soul. While we on the other hand we are a third entity, merely an onlooker, with only the choice of which one we give power to. Who we surrender our lives to.

This happens after what I numbered 6.
 
Watchman 2 said:
Here it is , my understanding as defined in the Greek texts, not the mistranslated English texts.
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Is this why you never discuss by using scripture? Do you speak fluent Greek or just us a few words defined in the Greek lexicons?

English is only one translation of every other language the Bible has been written in. English words take on many definitions for one single word, but when you read the full context in the scriptures the this brings to the meaning of the English word used.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

With that said scripture already gives us the understanding of salvation as being whole, mind, body and soul as it is a process in sanctification as we are now made righteous by that of God's righteousness. From the moment we were Spiritually born again (renewed inner man by God's Holy Spirit) we were indwelled with the Holy Spirit as we have risen with Christ who is now in us and we in Him as we seek those spiritual things from above, Colossians 3:1-4.

I will let scripture and those that the Holy Spirit works through to teach me as salvation is not that hard to understand, but man makes it confounding in their own understanding.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John3:5 the word water means the living word of God and Spirit means Holy Spirit. There are around 1526 instances of living water in the Bible. Here are some verses on living water being the word. John 4:4-26; 7:37-39; 12:44-50; Ephesians 5:26; 1 John 5:5-8; Jeremiah 17:13; Zechariah 14:8, 9; Rev 21:6-8; Ezekiel 47:22

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, (the preaching of God's word) they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
 
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Watchman 2 said:
Through Faith, means through the personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Done continually!
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When a person does something by faith, it means God spoke to them, and they responded in obedience.


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Hebrews 11:7


God warned Noah of the flood and instructed him to build an Ark.


Because of his obedience, Noah was made righteous according to faith, which involves obedience; the obedience of faith.



JLB
 
for_his_glory said:
Is this why you never discuss by using scripture? Do you speak fluent Greek or just us a few words defined in the Greek lexicons?

English is only one translation of every other language the Bible has been written in. English words take on many definitions for one single word, but when you read the full context in the scriptures the this brings to the meaning of the English word used.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

With that said scripture already gives us the understanding of salvation as being whole, mind, body and soul as it is a process in sanctification as we are now made righteous by that of God's righteousness. From the moment we were Spiritually born again (renewed inner man by God's Holy Spirit) we were indwelled with the Holy Spirit as we have risen with Christ who is now in us and we in Him as we seek those spiritual things from above, Colossians 3:1-4.

I will let scripture and those that the Holy Spirit works through to teach me as salvation is not that hard to understand, but man makes it confounding in their own understanding.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John3:5 the word water means the living word of God and Spirit means Holy Spirit. There are around 1526 instances of living water in the Bible. Here are some verses on living water being the word. John 4:4-26; 7:37-39; 12:44-50; Ephesians 5:26; 1 John 5:5-8; Jeremiah 17:13; Zechariah 14:8, 9; Rev 21:6-8; Ezekiel 47:22

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, (the preaching of God's word) they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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JLB said:
When a person does something by faith, it means God spoke to them, and they responded in obedience.


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Hebrews 11:7


God warned Noah of the flood and instructed him to build an Ark.


Because of his obedience, Noah was made righteous according to faith, which involves obedience; the obedience of faith.



JLB
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Probably should start a thread on obedience.
 
JLB said:
It’s the principle or law by which faith operates, and it directly associated with the word believe.



JLB
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Obedience is a product of God's nature flowing through us as the result of Faithing, or a continually surrendered life.
 
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JLB said:
When a person does something by faith, it means God spoke to them, and they responded in obedience.


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Hebrews 11:7


God warned Noah of the flood and instructed him to build an Ark.


Because of his obedience, Noah was made righteous according to faith, which involves obedience; the obedience of faith.



JLB
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that is a good explanation
 
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