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Unveiled Secrets The Rapture

Mark S

Mark S

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Unveiled Secrets The Rapture
Summary

This chapter the Rapture is out of sequence for two reasons; first, because one of the most popular belief is that the believers in Christ will be raptured before Tribulation’s get started. Therefore, they are not interested in the prophecies of tribulations because they believe they are not going to be here for it. The second reason is the fact that no one knows the exact date and time, the rapture will occur.
A very popular belief in our day is that the Rapture will occur before the Great Tribulation. Because this is, what people want to believe and most of the churches are, happy to tell people this because it tickles their ears. Others believe the rapture will occur Midway through the tribulation period. Some groups like the Jehovah witnesses do not believe there will be rapture at all. However, when we examine the information given to us in the Bible we will see what Gods word tell us. The Rapture will be followed by a short, but terrible, period of judgment before God destroys the world.
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Mark S said:
The Rapture will be followed by a short, but terrible, period of judgment before God destroys the world.
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That is a relatively modern invention (early 19th century). It was never taught by the church before that time.
Wat the church has taught from the beginning is that when the Lord returns at the end of the age, the dead in Christ will be resurrected and those still alive who serve Him will rise to meet the Lord in the air. This is a welcoming and an escorting of the Lord in to His reign when the heavens and earth are restored. It is prefigured by the "Triumphal Entry" on "Palm Sunday" when the people went out to meet Jesus with shouts of praise to the "Son of David", the messianic king of the new, restored kingdom of Israel. Jesus is the king of the restored heavens and earth.

The so-called "rapture" is not historic Christian doctrine.

JTLYK

mazel tov
iakov the fool
 
it really dont matter how/when it happens..it will happen when God said it will not a second or day or year sooner
 
Jim Parker said:
That is a relatively modern invention (early 19th century). It was never taught by the church before that time.
Wat the church has taught from the beginning is that when the Lord returns at the end of the age, the dead in Christ will be resurrected and those still alive who serve Him will rise to meet the Lord in the air. This is a welcoming and an escorting of the Lord in to His reign when the heavens and earth are restored. It is prefigured by the "Triumphal Entry" on "Palm Sunday" when the people went out to meet Jesus with shouts of praise to the "Son of David", the messianic king of the new, restored kingdom of Israel. Jesus is the king of the restored heavens and earth.

The so-called "rapture" is not historic Christian doctrine.

JTLYK

mazel tov
iakov the fool
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Many people sometimes wonder who has taught the pre-trib rapture before J.N. Darby (1800-1881). This question is often stated as an objection. These objections are often very bitter and harsh. Modern pre-tribbers have responded by citing Morgan Edwards (1722-1795), a Baptist pastor who presented a pre-trib rapture in the 18th century. Edwards writes:


https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/Doctrines/rapture_history.htm
 
ezra said:
it really dont matter how/when it happens..it will happen when God said it will not a second or day or year sooner
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You are right it happen when says it is time.
However consider the following;

Without the correct information Satan and his minions will deceive many concerning important prosthetic events. The following are a few examples.

· The seven-year covenant between Israel and the Arab nations; the wording of this covenant or agreement could be disguised to hide its truth. Therefore, deluding many people. Being able to recognize the seven-year covenant is an important and key sign to the following tribulations, the rapture, and the second coming of Jesus Christ.
· The mark of the beast will also be disguised to delude people into accepting this Mark.
· The identity of the antichrist, the false prophet, and the apostate church will also be camouflaged in a way that will not be readily recognized by the general population. Only those faithful Christians with the correct information will be able to identify these key players before it is too late.

· If you die before the Mark of the beast, having the correct information concerning the above-mentioned events will have little or no effect on your salvation as long as your heart is right with Jesus Christ. However, at the time of the white throne judgment’s you may suffer loss due to your lack of diligent study of God’s word.

· If you are still among the living at the time of the Mark of the beast and you do not have the correct information. You may be deceived into taking the Mark of the beast without even knowing it until it is too late. Anyone who willingly takes the Mark of the beast will be lost to eternal doom. Final judgment is totally in the hands of Jesus Christ. However, according to Scripture, anyone with this Mark is doomed. Without the correct information and knowing what is about to happen you could end up in a very difficult position. A position in which you may have to make a life or death decision concerning the Mark of the beast. If you have the correct information, you may be able to avoid being put into this traumatic position.

When a dangerous storm is approaching, the National Weather Service gives us a warning to take shelter. A DANGEROUS STORM IS APPROACHING and getting closer every day. Get the correct information and take the appropriate actions at the appropriate time.
 
Mark S said:
Many people sometimes wonder who has taught the pre-trib rapture before J.N. Darby (1800-1881). This question is often stated as an objection. These objections are often very bitter and harsh. Modern pre-tribbers have responded by citing Morgan Edwards (1722-1795), a Baptist pastor who presented a pre-trib rapture in the 18th century. Edwards writes:


https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/Doctrines/rapture_history.htm
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WE DONT know if its pre mid or after trib .i have heard all 3 teachings what i do know is God has not appointed us to wrath
1 Thessalonians 5:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, i do lean toward pre and mid . i will never agree with having to go through the 7 years . all these preachers who studied scriptures can only speculate. because the Bible does not give a specific time frame..
 
ezra said:
WE DONT know if its pre mid or after trib .i have heard all 3 teachings what i do know is God has not appointed us to wrath
1 Thessalonians 5:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, i do lean toward pre and mid . i will never agree with having to go through the 7 years . all these preachers who studied scriptures can only speculate. because the Bible does not give a specific time frame..
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THE FIRSTFRUITS (The Rapture) REVELATION 14:1-5 This at the time of the sounding of the 7th or last trumpet.

1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Of course, only God knows the time of the rapture. I am only pointing out what Gods word says.

Some food for thought.

And 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Here again Gods word tells us that the rapture is not until 2 things happen; The falling away & that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

that man of sin revealed, the son of perdition is revealed at mid-point into the 7 covenant.
 
Mark S said:
that man of sin revealed, the son of perdition is revealed at mid-point into the 7 covenant.
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what is the falling away? i see many things that points this at this very moment JESUS said because iniquity shall abound the love of many will wax cold .there are many theories on the son of perdition .
 
Mark S said:
Many people sometimes wonder who has taught the pre-trib rapture before J.N. Darby (1800-1881). This question is often stated as an objection. These objections are often very bitter and harsh. Modern pre-tribbers have responded by citing Morgan Edwards (1722-1795), a Baptist pastor who presented a pre-trib rapture in the 18th century. Edwards writes:


https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/Doctrines/rapture_history.htm
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The "rapture" teaching as presented by Darby et. al. is not a historic Christian doctrine.
 
These pre-trib theories started with Margaret MacDonald in Port Glasgow, Scotland who first told others of a vision she had in 1830. She admitted the vision seemed evil and dark, but many preachers of that time ran with it and eventually their teachings were handed down to us through such men as J.N. Darby, Edward Irving, C.I. Lewis and many others to present day. Notice the word theory. Theory is just the carnal minds way of interpreting something as it sounds logical, but yet not scriptural.

The seven trumpets beginning in Revelation 8:6 and ending on the last day when Christ returns are all about Gods wrath being poured out upon all nations and has everything to do with Gods Salvation. Many during this time will repent and turn back to God as they will finally have ears to hear the gospel being preached to them by all those who are still alive at this time and have Gods anointing to preach the Gospel. There are no separate trumpets for the saints and sinners as there are only seven that are sounded by the angels as God sends each one out as the soundings brings in all of Gods wrath upon those who refuse to repent and turn back to Him. God said that He would that none should perish, 2 Peter 3:9. Even though God's longsuffering and patience will come to an end as everyone will have an opportunity to repent as the Gospels will have been preached to everyone, but it is only those who will accept Gods free gift of grace, Ephesians 2:8, by faith will be saved. All Christians including those who at this time of the end have finally accepted Jesus will have eternal life with the Father.

There are three woes in Revelations as each one is worse than the other. The first one starts with the opening of the seventh seal in Rev 8:1 through Rev 9:12 that include the first five trumpets. The second woe starts in Rev 9:13 with the sixth trumpet and ends in Rev 11:14. The third woe starts with the seventh trumpet in Rev 11:15 ending in Rev 20:15.

It's during the sounding of the seventh trumpet as being the last trumpet mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 that during this last trumpet mystery Babylon being the mother of harlots will be revealed as the the son of perdition will be exposed, 2 Thessalonians 2:3. This is the false prophet as he forces all to bow down to him and take the mark of the beast or face persecution even to death as many saints of God at this time will die a martyr's death for their witness and testimony of Christ. Many who are weak in faith will fall away from Christ as they accept this mark as they fear for their own lives as this is the falling away the scriptures speak of in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 and Hebrews 6:4-6 as many will be deceived as even now by all the false doctrines that are being taught by man.

It's not until after the seven vial judgements, Rev 16, that mystery Babylon the great is exposed, Rev 17, and then destroyed, Rev 18, as Christ returns in the air with His army of angels, Rev 19:11-21, being only the heavenly host (angels) as no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven, John 3:13. At this time on the last day, John 6:40, Christ will destroy the beast and the false prophet, being the son of perdition, casting them into the lake of fire and slaying the remnant, possibly being the leaders of every nation that the beast out of the sea in Rev 13 controls and gives power to as they rule over the nations.

I do not believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ when He binds Satan, but it being figurative in its numbering as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. I believe at this time of Satan being bound the events of John 5:28, 29, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 will occur quickly as there is only one resurrection, but two separate judgements. all who are in their graves will hear the voice of Christ to rise as we who are of Christ., alive and in the grave, will be caught up and gathered to Him and will then be judged and given our rewards, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 11. Those of the second death, Revelation 2:11, 20:6, who have rejected Christ will be judged at the Great White Throne judgment as their names are not found in the Lamb's Book of Life. They are cast into the lake of fire where Satan and his army that he gathered from all nations to battle against the camp of the saints, but have been consumed by the fire sent down from heaven and Satan cast into the lake of fire. God then proceeds to renew the heaven and earth and ushers down the New Jerusalem where we will be with the Lord for all eternity, Revelation Chapter 21.
 
for_his_glory said:
The seven trumpets have finally accepted Jesus will have eternal life with the Father.
... the seven vial judgements[/QUOTE}
IMO; it is not a good idea to base doctrine on the ecstatic visions which John has rendered into human language to the best of his ability. They are subject to wide variations of interpretation.

I do not believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ .
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At Mathew 28:18, Jesus stated that his reign in heaven and on earth had begun.
8:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Here Jesus reigns on earth beginning about 30 AD. That is almost 2000 years ago.
Is Jesus presently, physically here on earth?
I would say yes. The Church is His body. Believers bear the presence of the Trinity within them on earth. How good a job the body is doing....well, that's another subject.
So, it would appear that 1000 years refers to a very long time.

And, in any case, the what, when, where, who, and how of Jesus' return are not our business.

Our business is to be found being faithful when He returns.


iakov the fool
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Jim Parker said:
The "rapture" teaching as presented by Darby et. al. is not a historic Christian doctrine.
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i can say to my knowledge i have never followed Darby or any other man on rapture teaching . i am in between pre and mid trib but mostly just be ready
 
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I don't often talk of the rapture because its too divisive and even the experts can't agree. Bible scholars can't seem to coordinate their material so that a novice like me can make sense of it - so its futile to speculate on the timing and mostly I've given up. Rather, I'm just trying to stay ready and be in service and perform some missions work.

For example, most all I've read, and I'm no expert, seem to propose that one must choose to be preterist, pre, mid, post , or post wrath, and the sort.

Why, pray tell, must we choose? for example, why can't I say that I think the rapture will occur 8 months after mid trib desecration of the temple. As I can fathom, the times after this event will be awful, the antichrist will have free rein with one day being worse than the day before and getting so bad that "almost the elect will be deceived". Who can survive? I believe 1 month of this calamity would be way too much for me, especially at the age I am.

How could I cope with armed marauding gangs in the streets ravaging the neighborhoods in search of supplies, money, food, so hostile that they would shoot you if you crossed them? Indeed, very perilous times and so dreadful that all one can do is speculate and hope they will not be subjected. All we can depend upon is God's mercy.
 
Biblesurveyor said:
I don't often talk of the rapture because its too divisive and even the experts can't agree. Bible scholars can't seem to coordinate their material so that a novice like me can make sense of it - so its futile to speculate on the timing and mostly I've given up. Rather, I'm just trying to stay ready and be in service and perform some missions work.

For example, most all I've read, and I'm no expert, seem to propose that one must choose to be preterist, pre, mid, post , or post wrath, and the sort.

Why, pray tell, must we choose? for example, why can't I say that I think the rapture will occur 8 months after mid trib desecration of the temple. As I can fathom, the times after this event will be awful, the antichrist will have free rein with one day being worse than the day before and getting so bad that "almost the elect will be deceived". Who can survive? I believe 1 month of this calamity would be way too much for me, especially at the age I am.

How could I cope with armed marauding gangs in the streets ravaging the neighborhoods in search of supplies, money, food, so hostile that they would shoot you if you crossed them? Indeed, very perilous times and so dreadful that all one can do is speculate and hope they will not be subjected. All we can depend upon is God's mercy.
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stick with that and you will do just fine
 
"The rapture is not 7 years. It is 3.5 years. "

I don't follow you. Did you mean to say the "great tribulation" as explained in Matt 24:21?

" For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will".

And did you mean the 3.5 years between the mid-trib and the end of Daniel's 7th year?
That's the only conclusion I am able to make.
 
Mark S said:
The second reason is the fact that no one knows the exact date and time, the rapture will occur.
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The rapture will happen at night time.

  • the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of heaven will fall,

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His [h]elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Mark 13:24-27


JLB
 
JLB said:
The rapture will happen at night time.

  • the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of heaven will fall,

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His [h]elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Mark 13:24-27


JLB
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The rapture is a world wide event & all the world is not dark at the same time. We do not know the year, day or the hour. we only know for sure that it will happen at the right time that fits God's plan.
 
Biblesurveyor said:
"The rapture is not 7 years. It is 3.5 years. "

I don't follow you. Did you mean to say the "great tribulation" as explained in Matt 24:21?

" For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will".

And did you mean the 3.5 years between the mid-trib and the end of Daniel's 7th year?
That's the only conclusion I am able to make.
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(1) When will the tribulation period start?
First off, we have to define the tribulation period. There have always been tribulations that humanity has had to suffer. Therefore, more definitively speaking, when will the end time’s tribulation period start?
There are many points of view involving this question. We will examine some of them.
The most definitive and credible answer to this question comes from Jesus himself.
Matthew 24:1-8
This is the time period we are in right now “the time of sorrows” (tribulations) the first 5 seals. Great tribulations starts at singing of the 7 year covenant. The 7 year covenant is the catalyst for the 6th seal & the following events.
To facilitate our understanding, we have the following chart:

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Over a period of many years
Damage to ¼ of the earth
Woe 1 (seal 6 & 7)
Happens over a shorter period of time
Damage to 1/3 of the earth
Woe 2 (trumpet 6 & 7)
Last 3 ½ years of the covenant, God’s wrath, Woe 3
 
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