Unveiled Secrets The Rapture

[JLB]

The rapture is a world wide event & all the world is not dark at the same time. We do not know the year, day or the hour.

It won’t matter what part of the world a person will be on, when the sun goes dark, the moon won’t shine either.

Pitch Black.

Then, the Light of the world will appear, in which every eye will see Him.

Anyone, who comes before that, claiming they are the Christ, is a counterfeit.

we only know for sure that it will happen at the right time that fits God's plan.

Amen to that!



JLB

 

[JLB]

WE DONT know if its pre mid or after trib .i have heard all 3 teachings what i do know is God has not appointed us to wrath
1 Thessalonians 5:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, i do lean toward pre and mid . i will never agree with having to go through the 7 years . all these preachers who studied scriptures can only speculate. because the Bible does not give a specific time frame..

There are three distinct things that occur at His coming.

The first two are the resurrection, and then the rapture.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
• the dead in Christ will rise first.
• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds

 

[DiscipleDave]

WE DONT know if its pre mid or after trib .i have heard all 3 teachings what i do know is God has not appointed us to wrath
1 Thessalonians 5:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, i do lean toward pre and mid . i will never agree with having to go through the 7 years . all these preachers who studied scriptures can only speculate. because the Bible does not give a specific time frame..

It is True God has not appointed us to wrath. However that does not mean we, by our own doings, do not appoint ourselves to wrath? God does not appoint us to wrath, TRUE. But that does not negate or make void other inspired by God Scriptures.

Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

So even though we Christians are not appointed to wrath by God, if we freely choose to sow to the flesh, then we will indeed suffer in the flesh for doing so, EXACTLY as the Word of God teaches.

Col_3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

This includes Christians. If a Christian does wrong, they will suffer for the wrong that they chose to commit.

Heb_12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. (PUNISHES)

So even though we are not appointed to wrath, does not mean we do not bring it upon our own selves. Is it not written you will reap what you sow? Yes that is written. So even though we are not appointed to His Wrath, we most certainly are if we choose to sow to the flesh, choose to do that which is sinful, choose to wrong one another.

Which makes since, because it is written for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men.(Rom 1:18) The wrath of God is against all those that willingly and knowingly do that which is ungodly. So then, even though when we are Saved, we are not appointed to His Wrath, if we freely choose to live in sin, we choose to be appointed to His wrath by our own actions.

Believing one verse does not negate other verses. Even though we are not appointed to wrath, if we choose to live in sin we will suffer the consequences of those actions, EXACTLY as Scriptures teach. We will reap what we sow.

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[DiscipleDave]

what is the falling away? ..... . .. . .. .. . .. .. . . .. . . .. . . . .

Most people believe Pre-Trib. That is to say they believe Jesus will return to gather the Church Saints BEFORE the 7 year tribulation Period begins. However when the 7 year Tribulation Period begins and Jesus did NOT Return as they all thought He should have, these will fall away from their faith, because what they have believed their whole life (despite being told by others pretrib is false) turns out to be wrong. The Great Falling Away is not only the Christian Faith, but all Faiths of the world will fall away during this time. When the Earth is spinning faster, Earth quakes everywhere. volcanoes, hurricanes, floods, fires, asteroids hitting everywhere, mass destruction on the entire planet, Sun super hot, all faces gather blackness on the planet, and then the antichrist will be on TV saying "Where is your God now?" This will cause ALL Faiths around the world to fall away from the belief in a God? The antichrist will unify all people under the banner "Human Race". Those who continue to believe in a God will be mocked, and killed for it.

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[DiscipleDave]

THE FIRSTFRUITS (The Rapture) REVELATION 14:1-5 This at the time of the sounding of the 7th or last trumpet.

1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Of course, only God knows the time of the rapture. I am only pointing out what Gods word says.

Some food for thought.

And 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Here again Gods word tells us that the rapture is not until 2 things happen; The falling away & that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

that man of sin revealed, the son of perdition is revealed at mid-point into the 7 covenant.

You are not far from the Kingdom of God.

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[DiscipleDave]

i can say to my knowledge i have never followed Darby or any other man on rapture teaching . i am in between pre and mid trib but mostly just be ready

Amen. Being ready is the most important part of all. Watch. Continue to Love One Another as our Lord Jesus Christ COMMANDED us to do. Woe to those who think they are Heaven bound and fail to Love One Another. there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. God is LOVE. If you are not Loving One Another, then who do you think you are expressing?

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[DiscipleDave]

The rapture is not 7 years. It is 3.5 years.

The Rapture is one event. which happen on the Day of the Lord, during one day. The Rapture is only a word used for the Saints being gathered up to be with Jesus where He is, on that specific day when He returns. It is a great day for the Saints but a very bad day for the rest of humanity.

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[ezra]

The falling away covers everything where people turn away from God either by rejection or by believing fables, falling away from the truth.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...ir5S_lObFpYL0PaVZacj45NuSi1GOV_PpjgHBtPWA/pub

i would tend to agree but my point is scripture is not completely clear ..i

 

[DiscipleDave]

The rapture will happen at night time.

• the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of heaven will fall,

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His [h]elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Mark 13:24-27


JLB

It will not be day nor will it be night on that Great and Terrible Day of the Lord:

Zec 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Yes the Sun will be darkened wherever that Sun's light touches the Earth. Yes the moon's light will also be darkened wherever the moon's light touches. When Christ comes back to the Earth, the planet Earth will have daylight on one side of the planet, and that sun will be darkened on the side it is suppose to Daytime. The entire planet will neither be Day nor Night. What was day will be darkened, what was night will be lighter, due to the light of the Holy City Jerusalem descending out of Space to land on the Earth over old Jerusalem. The entire planet will experience this, NOT Day, NOT Night, but neither, and yet both.

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[DiscipleDave]

It won’t matter what part of the world a person will be on, when the sun goes dark, the moon won’t shine either.

Pitch Black.

Then, the Light of the world will appear, in which every eye will see Him.

Can't be Pitch Black if the Light of the world appears? On that Day it will neither be Light or Dark, it will be neither Day or Night. The Sun and Moon are Darkened but the Light of the world is here (Holy City Shining as the Sun)

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[JLB]

It will not be day nor will it be night on that Great and Terrible Day of the Lord:

Zec 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Great Scripture.

Jesus was teaching from Zechariah in His Olivet Discourse.

However, without the light of the sun, or moon or stars, there will be no light.

So at evening there will be light, can only mean He will be the light, that every eye sees.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Can't be Pitch Black if the Light of the world appears?

It will be pitch black, until the Light of the world appears.

 

[DiscipleDave]

There are three distinct things that occur at His coming.

The first two are the resurrection, and then the rapture.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
• the dead in Christ will rise first.
• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds

The Resurrection and the Rapture are one and the same event. The Rapture is the taking up of the Saints to be with Jesus where He is (in Holy City Jerusalem in the Air before it sets on Earth over old Jerusalem) The Rapture of the dead Saints are taken first, then the Rapture of those who remain alive are then taken after them. All same event called the Rapture, which is the resurrection of the Saints (dead and alive as well)

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[JLB]

The Resurrection and the Rapture are one and the same event.

So true.

 

[JLB]

The Rapture is the taking up of the Saints to be with Jesus where He is (in Holy City Jerusalem

Jesus is returning from heaven with his saints that have died, as well as those who are alive and remain, to gather them together at His coming.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17


Here are the key points to consider, in these verses:

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
• the dead in Christ will rise first.
• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

JLB

 

[DiscipleDave]

Great Scripture.

Jesus was teaching from Zechariah in His Olivet Discourse.

However, without the light of the sun, or moon or stars, there will be no light.

So at evening there will be light, can only mean He will be the light, that every eye sees.


JLB

Yes, but what this generation fails to understand is when Jesus returns to the Earth the second time to rapture the Saints, the Holy City Jerusalem comes down with Him, you know that place that Jesus said He is preparing for us and will come back with. Jesus and us Saints attend the Marriage supper of the Lord in the Holy City that has come down out of Heaven (Space) to the Earth, where Jesus and us Saints will reign over the entire Earth out of the Holy City for a thousand years. Zechariah chapter 14 is a description of the Day of the Lord, the Rapture, and the Holy City.

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[DiscipleDave]

It will be pitch black, until the Light of the world appears.

This may very well be True, i know not.

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[DiscipleDave]

Jesus is returning from heaven with his saints that have died, as well as those who are alive and remain, to gather them together at His coming.

Scriptures does not teach that. That is an interpretation of Scriptures. What is going to happen is when Jesus shows up and the very first dead Saint is raptured, that Saint will go with Jesus collecting all the other dead Saints. When the first living Saint is taken up all the dead Saints will be coming with Jesus. And then that first living Saint that is taken up with also go with Jesus to gather the rest of the living Saints. There is ONLY ONE day that determines who is Saved and who is not Saved, and that is the Day of the Lord, the Day that Jesus returns to the Earth a second time to start His reign on Earth. Jesus does NOT Return a second time, gathers up the Saints, goes back to Heaven, only to return a third time to set up His kindgom on Earth. This is not a doctrine of God. At the 7th Trumpet the Saints are Raptured, the Holy City is come down from Heaven, and Jesus sets up His Kingdom on Earth. All this happens at the 7th Trumpet sounding and is called the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep.

Because on the day of the Rapture, the dead are raised first then the living are raised afterwards all on the same DAY.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God (7th Trumpet sounding). And the dead in Christ will rise first. (On that Day)17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (on that same Day). And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

Here are the key points to consider, in these verses:

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
• the dead in Christ will rise first.
• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

All this, SAME DAY.

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[JLB]

Scriptures does not teach that. That is an interpretation of Scriptures.

Please read these verses about the coming of the Lord, and the resurrection and rapture, and explain what you disagree with.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17


Two of the three distinct things that occur at the coming of the Lord are found in these verses, which are the resurrection and rapture.

• that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
• the dead in Christ will rise first.
• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

JLB

 

[JLB]

All this, SAME DAY.

Yes, thats my point, that these things happen on the same Day, as one event.

In addition, the antichrist, along with the wicked are destroyed at His coming.


Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2 Thessalonians 2:1

• Verse 1 shows the coming of the Lord and the gathering, which is the resurrection and rapture.

• Verse 8 shows that the antichrist will be destroyed by the Lord Himself, at His coming.

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8




JLB