Unveiled Secrets where is the Endtimes Babylon

[dirtfarmer]

dirtfarmer here,

Is the revival of the Roman Empire that is prophesied with the ten toes the western empire or the eastern empire?

 

[Jim Parker]

dirtfarmer here,

Is the revival of the Roman Empire that is prophesied with the ten toes the western empire or the eastern empire?

It seems to me that the part of Damiel's prophesy which referred to the toes was the Roman empire.
Dan 2:41-44 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.
And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

There is no mention of "ten" toes so the number 10 cannot be assumed to be symbolic.

The Roman Empire was originally run completely by Romans but as its territory expanded, more and more barbarians from Gaul and Africa and Eastern Europe became Roman citizens, served in the army, were senators, and even became emperors. (They even had an Arab Emperor!) That seems to me to be the mixing of iron and clay.

And in the time of the undivided Roman Empire, Jesus came and established the Kingdom of God on earth in the Church. When the Kingdom of God comes in its fullness, (the New Jerusalem coming down to earth) it will become the only kingdom on earth.

Mat 16:28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

That's just one view. It does not exclude others.

 

[dirtfarmer]

It seems to me that the part of Damiel's prophesy which referred to the toes was the Roman empire.
Dan 2:41-44 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.
And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

There is no mention of "ten" toes so the number 10 cannot be assumed to be symbolic.

The Roman Empire was originally run completely by Romans but as its territory expanded, more and more barbarians from Gaul and Africa and Eastern Europe became Roman citizens, served in the army, were senators, and even became emperors. (They even had an Arab Emperor!) That seems to me to be the mixing of iron and clay.

And in the time of the undivided Roman Empire, Jesus came and established the Kingdom of God on earth in the Church. When the Kingdom of God comes in its fullness, (the New Jerusalem coming down to earth) it will become the only kingdom on earth.

Mat 16:28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

That's just one view. It does not exclude others.

hello Jim Parker, dirtfarmer here

Notice in verse 16 to whom Jesus was speaking to in verse 18-20; it was not the Church.

In Daniel 7 is were the fourth beast has 10 horns and in the midst of those ten horns a "little horn" came up. I see this as the "anti-Christ"

 

[Jim Parker]

Notice in verse 16 to whom Jesus was speaking to in verse 18-20; it was not the Church.

No it was not.
He said that some of them would be alive when they saw HIm coming in his kingdom.;
That was what happened at Mat 24:18. All authority in heaven and earth had been given to Jesus. That makes him king in heaven and earth.

In Daniel 7 is were the fourth beast has 10 horns and in the midst of those ten horns a "little horn" came up. I see this as the "anti-Christ"

Great.
That's another topic,l

 

[for_his_glory]

dirtfarmer here,

Is the revival of the Roman Empire that is prophesied with the ten toes the western empire or the eastern empire?

Western Empire.
The Roman Empire began in 753BC by Romulus who founded Rome in 27BC with Augustus Caesar becoming the first emperor of Rome in 27 BC and died in 14AD. Rome controlled over two million square miles stretching from the Rhine River to Egypt and from Britain (England) to Asia Minor which made up the Grecian Empire of Greece, Turkey, Syria and Egypt. In 146BC the Romans destroyed Corinth during the Battle of Corinth and made the Greece Empire into a province of the Roman Empire. This timeline goes from 753BC to 27BC. Nero burned Rome in 64AD and blamed the Christian community in the city causing the Roman Empires first persecution of Christians. In 1453 was the rise of the Ottoman Empire that conquered Constantinople destroying the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire) that reigned from 330AD to 1453AD. The Roman Empire was then called the Holy Roman Empire that was a political entity beginning in 800AD - 1806AD from the time of Charlemagne (Holy Roman Emperor) who protected Pope Leo III from Adrian's supporters in Rome to Francis II, King of France. Pope Pius VII was the Pope from 1800-1823. The Roman Empire is known today as Vatican City, a city-state surrounded by Rome and Italy who has diplomatic relations with every nation around the world.

 

[Edward]

I was thinking about this, and it occurred to me that...maybe modern day Babylon is not a country, a flag or a city...They are leaders of commerce, and have world wide influence, right?

So maybe it's the deep state of the world? All the richest and elites are controlling everything to do with commerce, and we can't even go to the store without contributing to them. They also are very anti Christian and the ones responsible for promoting death (abortions), homosexuality, drugs and Islam.

They're kind of a country without a flag. But scripture says God will hurt them bad and people will no longer buy from them. Maybe it's beginning right now with the way Trump got in office and is...draining the swamp...?

 

[jasonc]

the weslayan brothers didn't intend to start the Methodist church but were simply trying to teach the word in America(savannah chiefly) their church still stands and I has photos of it and the statue on Chippewa park. one can walk to three colonial era churches or more in the historic district of savannah. the two black Baptist churchs, this one and the oldest catholic one.

 

[Razeontherock]

I was thinking about this, and it occurred to me that...maybe modern day Babylon is not a country, a flag or a city...They are leaders of commerce, and have world wide influence, right?

So maybe it's the deep state of the world? All the richest and elites are controlling everything to do with commerce, and we can't even go to the store without contributing to them. They also are very anti Christian and the ones responsible for promoting death (abortions), homosexuality, drugs and Islam.

They're kind of a country without a flag. But scripture says God will hurt them bad and people will no longer buy from them. Maybe it's beginning right now with the way Trump got in office and is...draining the swamp...?

This has always been what I've heard the Spirit say about this -

minus the part about Trump

 

[Dispair]

We are waiting for Babylon the great to appear. We are waiting for the Beast to arise and give his mark. We are waiting for the abomination of desolation to stand in a holy place. We are waiting for the Lord's return.

If we can only see with spiritual eyes, we can realize that Babylon was here since Eve sold us in Eden and pure religion went a whoring with the beast.

If we can only see with spiritual eyes, we can realize that we were sold to our fleshly desires and the beastly governments that embody them.

If we can only see with spiritual eyes, we can realize that scientific progress, reason and logic are already taking the holy place where religion used to be; a true Abomination of desolation, because "There is no God or spirit" they say.

We are waiting and waiting for the Lord's return because we are looking with fleshly eyes; just like those that ended up killing him.

I fear this great tribulation will claim us all while we are waiting.

Matthew - 28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Acts - 54When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58And cast him out of the city, and stoned him

 

[for_his_glory]

I fear this great tribulation will claim us all while we are waiting.

God's wrath (tribulation) will only claim those who are none of His own as this will be His last attempt to draw others to Him in His longsuffering that He would that none should perish, but His longsuffering will come to an end. Jesus already warned us of those things which must come first before His return and when we see the abomination standing in the holy place we are told to flee as God will provide for His own, Matthew 24:3-31.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Matthew 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Jim Parker]

God's wrath (tribulation) will only claim those who are none of His own

It appears to me that you have conflated "God's wrath" and "Tribulation."
We will experience tribulation.
Jhn 16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will[fn] have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.

And

Rom 5:3-4... we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; and perseverance, character; and character, hope.

Plus others

I think you meant to specifically refer to "the Great Tribulation" as God's wrath. Revelation seems to present that view.

(Just being my usual anal self about language....)

 

[for_his_glory]

I was thinking about this, and it occurred to me that...maybe modern day Babylon is not a country, a flag or a city...They are leaders of commerce, and have world wide influence, right?

So maybe it's the deep state of the world? All the richest and elites are controlling everything to do with commerce, and we can't even go to the store without contributing to them. They also are very anti Christian and the ones responsible for promoting death (abortions), homosexuality, drugs and Islam.

They're kind of a country without a flag. But scripture says God will hurt them bad and people will no longer buy from them. Maybe it's beginning right now with the way Trump got in office and is...draining the swamp...?

You are right as it is not a country per se, but that of an evil conglomerate of a Luciferian political, economic and religious system that will come to fruition before the return of Christ and is even now working in the world and has been since the days of Nimrod.

 

[Christ_empowered]

i used to think that kinda stuff was conspiracy theory talk, but now...not so sure. do you ever read vigilant citizen? creeps me out...not the site or the analysis, but the way the culture has gone and is going. its...insane, honestly.

 

[for_his_glory]

It appears to me that you have conflated "God's wrath" and "Tribulation."
We will experience tribulation.
Jhn 16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will[fn] have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.

And

Rom 5:3-4... we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; and perseverance, character; and character, hope.

Plus others

I think you meant to specifically refer to "the Great Tribulation" as God's wrath. Revelation seems to present that view.

(Just being my usual anal self about language....)

God's end of days great wrath beginning with the first trumpet is the great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time nor ever shall be. They are the same thing.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Jim Parker]

God's end of days great wrath beginning with the first trumpet is the great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time nor ever shall be.

Yeah.
That's what I was saying.......

 

[for_his_glory]

Yeah.
That's what I was saying.......

And that's what I was saying :yes

 

[Jim Parker]

And that's what I was saying :yes