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wage slaves

No, I'm not a commie, lol...I'm just...wondering...

...do you think a lot of us (in the US) work too much, for too long, to the exclusion of other things? I don't mean to blame the individual. I think its a social and economic problem, not a personal one, usually ("the personal is political").

One of my few friends moved to England. She has a masters degree in the social sciences. She and her husband both have good jobs over there. Most workers in the UK get a couple weeks time off (holiday), health care is nationalized (although a lot of businesses have additional insurance you can add on..for what, I don't know), and workers at all levels tend to have more job security (they usually can't fire at will, lol). And that's the UK. Their safety net, worker protections, etc. aren't quite as extensive as a lot of other European countries.

They don't produce near as many rich people in the UK, but...they also have less overall income inequality, less crime, and more extensive benefits for people who can't work (I can relate to that...I'm on disability for mental illness. At this point, a big part of the reason I'm unemployed is stigma).

For whatever reason, the UK and much of the rest of Europe is decidedly "post-Christian." My friend was telling me how many of the old churches are now museums. Sad :-( But, they do still have some Christians, and I think a lot of the way the society operates is more in line with certain parts of Christianity (help the poor, be thy brother's keeper) than the way American society operates. Many on the right wing I find terrifying because of their open contempt for people like me, mixed with this really mean-spirited version of Christianity.

So...yeah...what do you guys think?

Also...sometimes I despair of ever getting a job. No one around here will hire me, anyway, because I have a terrible reputation, coupled with the ill effects of being crazy from 18-25. I'm working on a degree, which is awesome, and I hope it goes somewhere, but...

...sometimes, honestly, I think of my own disabilty as a blessing. I mean, when I did work, I was terrorized. Made fun of, given terrible hours, then called in to cover for the "cool" people, terminated or they'd put enough pressure on me to quit. Its not just the core symptoms of "mental illness...." I think a lot of the reason mentally ill people often don't work is because we're "off kilter," even on meds. That and mental illness carries serious stigma, so we're low status in the work place from the get go.

Anyway, its like...most people in America work a lot. That's changing (hours per week is going down, apparently, because of the sort of jobs being created in the "economic recovery"), but...

...work work work. And there's all this mythology and ideology to support it, pull yourself up by your boot straps, work hard, ain't nothing free, rise to the top, etc. Meanwhile...

...its nearly impossible for most families to keep going on 1 income, like back in the day. Pensions are a no go, because the "company man" doesn't exist anymore. Even with 2 incomes, many people in the lower income brackets still need public assistance (Wal Mart apparently is a huge offender...lots of their employees need help, compared to employees from other businesses).

Blah blah blah. Mix of AM rant, musings, and general...concern. What's the point in having an economy in which the rich--especially the super rich--get more and more, while everybody else has to work harder and harder for scraps? On a personal level...do I really wanna get in on the employment scene, when I'm often not wanted in most jobs because of stigma and (locally) a terrible reputation?

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I agree with alot of this...I find it sad that alot of their churches are musuems but I like the way they do alot of things versus the us.I find alot of what happens here to be sickening but like anyone else I just try to make the best of it ...do what I can as an individual.
 
nevermind that if you cant fire a person. they might care much to work hard? why being lazy pays?
 
the tips things and the cuts for benefits. so they don't get ahead. way to go gubberment.
 
  1. Grass is always greener on the other side

It may be greener but it still needs mowing.
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I'm not sure what the deal is, and no offense to anyone, but our good men fought and died to separate ourselves from Britain and now the US is scrambling to be just like them. :shrug
while I see your point but however the crown today that are Windsor(german) verses of scott lineage are a bit different then the king George of the past.
 
while I see your point but however the crown today that are Windsor(german) verses of scott lineage are a bit different then the king George of the past.
This is true, but we wanted to be independent and have our own Constitution, be our own country and now we want to resemble a country we have already fought to be free of. My point was more of how we wanted to be different, be free of all that which was government, and now we're finding ourselves right back in that place.
 
This is true, but we wanted to be independent and have our own Constitution, be our own country and now we want to resemble a country we have already fought to be free of. My point was more of how we wanted to be different, be free of all that which was government, and now we're finding ourselves right back in that place.
I agree,
 
I do think many work to excesses, but we re told in 2 Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. God does give us talents, and we're to prepare just as you are in going to school, and I believe with the uncertainty of the economy people are attempting to get all they can for that rainy day such as those wise below.

Pro 30:24 There be four things which are little upon the earth, but they are exceeding wise:
Pro 30:25 The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer;
Pro 30:26 The conies are but a feeble folk, yet make they their houses in the rocks;
Pro 30:27 The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands;
Pro 30:28 The spider taketh hold with her hands, and is in kings' palaces.
 
...do you think a lot of us (in the US) work too much, for too long, to the exclusion of other things?
Yes, I agree. I see the effect it is having on our families and our children. Yes we are to work to support ourselves and our families, but not to the extent that people are today, at the neglect of our families. It used to be that a typical family was a husband that went to work for wages, and normally worked 40 hours/week to make enough money to do all of that. The wife's primary responsibility was to run and maintain the household and raise the kids properly. She might work sometimes if she desired to, but it was not mandatory to survive. As a result, we had younger generations who grew up respecting each other and respecting God much more than they do now.

When the "women's liberation movement" came along and started telling women they were worthless unless they went out of their houses and started making as much or more money than their husbands did, then the divorce rates began a steady climb to it's horrendous level it is at today, unwed mothers became more and more common, and children and teenagers became more and more ignored by their families and put into institutions to warehouse them when it wasn't convenient to have them around any more. The result is inner city war zones run by teenage gangsters, a proliferation of drug addict adults, and a soceity that thinks everyone has to live in a $500,000 mini mansion of a house and drive a $50,000 brand new car all the time. So everyone has to work overtime, wives and kids included, to support our extravagant lifestyles that we are told we need to have.

The result: Far to many of us have indeed become slaves to our wages to pay for all of this in ways that we never had to before, and with no real gain in happiness or security.
 
But take heart. Being a slave to wages isn't mandatory for your happiness or well being. I used to have an income of about $150,000/year without even working for a living, and working wages just added to that. I could (and did) buy a brand new $40,000 pickup truck for cash with not much more than what I considered pocket change and thought nothing of buying a 3 bedroom 2 story house for cash. I even bought a $130,000 boat for cash and 3 months later all my accounts had grown to the point the boat purchase money withdrawal was barley noticeable. Yet I was not any happier then than I am right now.

But right now I've lost all my investments in the stock market crash and have reverted to living on less. Much less. I'm currently making an income of about $1,400/month before taxes and that is more income than I've had in years. Since I've realized that I don't need to be constantly spending money on new and expensive "stuff" to be happy, that monthly income is enough to cover all my living expenses and leave several hundred dollars over to save for that proverbial "rainy day". And I'm happier than at any time when I had so much income that the amount of cash I always had in my wallet was more than my current monthly pay. We don't NEED all these expensive things that are causing us to work so many hours that we loose our family and friends over it!
 
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