Same principal
Just as grape vines cannot bear figs, neither can God's seed bear liars or thieves.
I've already gone over this with you in other threads and shown the mistakes you're making in your strict over-simplification of the seed/fruit analogies of the NT. The Holy Spirit is not a "seed" but
a Person. We, too, are not plants, but people, distinguished from a flower, or thornbush, or potato in part by our free agency, our self-awareness. Perhaps more than anything else, this fact confounds your severe application of the seed-fruit metaphor.
Our being made in God's image rather than that of a plant, means, among other things, that we don't function in the uniform, linear, inflexible, seed-fruit way that a plant does. Obviously. An apple tree grows and produces apples, not bananas, or petunias; a rose bush grows and produces roses, not coconuts, or carrots; a cabbage does not produce daffodils. And so on. No apple tree, though, ever
decides to produce apples, it just does; no rose bush
chooses to produce roses, it just does; no cabbage plant
determines to produce more cabbages, it just does. In contrast, not actually being plants, you and I do not act in this linear, mechanical, deterministic way in becoming who we are and deciding what "fruit" will emanate from our lives. Again, obviously.
And so, though you are the "seed" of your parents, you don't act precisely as they do, nor do you look exactly as they do;
because you aren't a plant but a person with your own preferences, personality, experiences, beliefs and values. When, then, the Holy Spirit takes up residence within a person, there won't be the sort of simplistic, mechanical production of the "fruit" of who he is in the life of a believer. W
e are free agents, not puppets (or plants); we have our own minds, our own will and way, that must be consciously and repeatedly submitted to the Spirit's will and way, to his control, throughout each day (
Romans 6:13-22; Romans 8:13-14; Romans 12:1; James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:6).
When this submission is not carefully maintained by the Spirit-indwelt believer, they unavoidably migrate into the sort of sinful, rebellious living described over and over again in the New Testament of born-again people (
1 Corinthians 3, 5, 6, 11; Galatians 3:1-3; Romans 6:1-13; 1 John 1:8-10; Revelation 2-3, etc.). This lack of submission and migration into sin happens for all sorts of reasons, increasing the likelihood that the "fruit of the Spirit" may not manifest in their person and living. They may, as a consequence of being brand new to the faith, simply be profoundly ignorant of the content of their own faith, which is reflected in much waywardness and stumbling into sin; they may be the victim of false teachers and their false "doctrines of demons," and are led into sinful living as a consequence; they may have "besetting sins," chronic, deeply-set sinful habits of thought and conduct, that may require significant amounts of time to overcome. And so on.
For these reasons (and others unmentioned), it is highly simplistic and illegitimate to hold that the "seed" of God will always, inevitably produce corresponding fruit such that the person possessing God's "seed" will live a totally sin-free life. Not only is this deterministic and mechanical expectation childishly simplistic, it is also - as childish thinking often is - rather irrational. Besides all this, this expectation of an instantly sinless life is also patently unbiblical, as I've pointed out from Scripture. Saints do sin - sometimes a lot.
I know, of course, that you have no good rebuttal to any of this and will, therefore, resort to flat denial and contradiction, the lowest, weakest form of argument, as you've done all along. I've written the above, however, not to persuade you, a determined promoter of false doctrine, but to help those who may read through this thread to form an answer to your false doctrine hobby-horse.
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
