Was Christ capable of Sin?

[Consecrated Life]

Satan is not all knowing & did not know all things about Jesus's nature before the wilderness encounter.
Until the day we die Satan will never give up his attacks on us, because he knows we remain vulnerable by temptation to sin.
After the wilderness encounter however Satan never again came to Jesus to tempt him.
He always has hope of finding something in us.
He found nothing in the Lord.
The only reason Satan would gave up on Jesus can be that he learned that Jesus invulnerable to be tempted to the point of sinning.
If there was even the slightest possibility there Satan would have never given up tempting Jesus.
The one that was sent to destroy him.

Jhn 14:30
...... the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

 

[Iconoclast]

So it was genetic corruption ? Yes or No .

Hello Hawkman,
All mankind born physically in the First Adam sinned and died in Adam at the fall.
Representative sin is the root cause of original sin.
Original sin is inbred sin, woven into the fabric of the heart. Romans 5:12-21
A study of the heart of fallen men in scripture bears witness to this . At the fall men are "Constituted sinners"
That is why the central core teaching of being born from above, or Born again, we receive a Divine heart transplant. Ezk36
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Man is born with a sin nature because of this heart of stone.

Jesus because of the virgin birth was not subject to sinful flesh

 

[hawkman]

Hello Hawkman,
All mankind born physically in the First Adam sinned and died in Adam at the fall.
Representative sin is the root cause of original sin.
Original sin is inbred sin, woven into the fabric of the heart. Romans 5:12-21
A study of the heart of fallen men in scripture bears witness to this . At the fall men are "Constituted sinners"
That is why the central core teaching of being born from above, or Born again, we receive a Divine heart transplant. Ezk36
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Man is born with a sin nature because of this heart of stone.

Jesus because of the virgin birth was not subject to sinful flesh

Adam from his first breath had it .

Eve from her first breath had it .

When Jesus took his first breath on earth he had it .

When you Iconoclast and I took our first breath we had it .

The it is a nature of self , of self preservation and you could say a selfish nature .

But if you call that a "sin nature " it will really be a boon for some religious groups to exploit .

 

[GodsGrace]

Adam from his first breath had it .

Eve from her first breath had it .

When Jesus took his first breath on earth he had it .

When you Iconoclast and I took our first breath we had it .

The it is a nature of self , of self preservation and you could say a selfish nature .

But if you call that a "sin nature " it will really be a boon for some religious groups to exploit .

How's that?

 

[GodsGrace]

Adam from his first breath had it .

Eve from her first breath had it .

When Jesus took his first breath on earth he had it .

When you Iconoclast and I took our first breath we had it .

The it is a nature of self , of self preservation and you could say a selfish nature .

But if you call that a "sin nature " it will really be a boon for some religious groups to exploit .

What you call the nature of self is in every person.
It's called egotism and is a sin.

The question is: WHY are we all egotistical.

 

[Iconoclast]

Pastor Greg Nichols in lectures in Systematic Theology describes original sin;
An evil heart inherited from Adam by his natural posterity at conception so that each begins life in the state of sin

1] The Substance: "an evil heart" Gen .6:5 8:21 Eccl 8:11 Lk6;45 Rom8:7-9 Heb.3:12

2]The Spread : inherited from Adam Rom.12-21

3]The Subjects: "by his natural posterity" Ps.14:1-3 Rom.3 :9-12

4]The Start: "at conception"psa.51:5 58:3

5] The Significance: " so that each life begins in the state of sin. Rom.5:7-10 Eph 2:1-5 Titus3:3-5

 

[GodsGrace]

Pastor Greg Nichols in lectures in Systematic Theology describes original sin;
An evil heart inherited from Adam by his natural posterity at conception so that each begins life in the state of sin

1] The Substance: "an evil heart" Gen .6:5 8:21 Eccl 8:11 Lk6;45 Rom8:7-9 Heb.3:12

2]The Spread : inherited from Adam Rom.12-21

3]The Subjects: "by his natural posterity" Ps.14:1-3 Rom.3 :9-12

4]The Start: "at conception"

5] The Significance: " so that each life begins in the state of sin. Rom.5:7-10 Eph 2:1-5 Titus3:3-5

By natural posterity does he mean the generations?

IOW, we are, in a true sense, sons of Adam.

So the skin nature is passed on to us through DNA.

 

[hawkman]

What you call the nature of self is in every person.
It's called egotism and is a sin.

The question is: WHY are we all egotistical.

No not ego .

For us to survive as the human race we had to have self preservation pre loaded to our being .

Jesus had to overcome self preservation , he had it too . In the garden .

 

[GodsGrace]

No not ego .

For us to survive as the human race we had to have self preservation pre loaded to our being .

Jesus had to overcome self preservation , he had it too . In the garden .

Is self preservation a sin?
I don't think so...

 

[hawkman]

Is self preservation a sin?
I don't think so...

Then why call it "sin nature " ?

 

[Iconoclast]

By natural posterity does he mean the generations?

All descendants of Adam and Eve, with Adam being the federal head.

IOW, we are, in a true sense, sons of Adam.

Yes

So the skin nature is passed on to us through DNA.

He does not mention DNA, but has a chart of Romans 5:19 in which he goes over the Greek words Paul used, and it basically states that the words and tenses of the Greek words mean we were ..."constituted sinners in Adam".
I have several other sources on this, and might have to doa thread on it. It will take awhile to dig out from the different sources. It is not light reading, and many will wilt trying to work through it.

 

[Iconoclast]

Then why call it "sin nature " ?

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

 

[GodsGrace]

Then why call it "sin nature " ?

Because that's not what it is.
Sin nature is something in us when we're born.
Some call it the flesh, some call it concupiscense.

It's a result of Adam's fall.
Maybe Iconoclast can start a thread on this.

 

[GodsGrace]

All descendants of Adam and Eve, with Adam being the federal head.

Yes

He does not mention DNA, but has a chart of Romans 5:19 in which he goes over the Greek words Paul used, and it basically states that the words and tenses of the Greek words mean we were ..."constituted sinners in Adam".
I have several other sources on this, and might have to doa thread on it. It will take awhile to dig out from the different sources. It is not light reading, and many will wilt trying to work through it.

Suggestion: cut it down.
It would make a good thread.

 

[Iconoclast]

Suggestion: cut it down.
It would make a good thread.

Yes it would. That is why I need some time, because the study books provide an abundance of study material. I will have to link the sources, but seek to outline some key portions.

 

[hawkman]

Sin nature is something in us when we're born.

DNA , yes or no ? And why didn't God tell Adam in Genesis that sin nature was his to pass on ?

Adam and all of mankind was now cursed with death after the fall . And the ground was cursed . God told Adam all these things but I can't find the sin nature curse .

Some call it the flesh, some call it concupiscense.

A selfish nature , preserve the flesh .


Do you agree with what I wrote below ?

Adam from his first breath had it .

Eve from her first breath had it .

When Jesus took his first breath on earth he had it .

When you @Iconoclast and I took our first breath we had it .

The it is a nature of self , of self preservation and you could say a selfish nature .

 

[GodsGrace]

DNA , yes or no ? And why didn't God tell Adam in Genesis that sin nature was his to pass on ?

Adam and all of mankind was now cursed with death after the fall . And the ground was cursed . God told Adam all these things but I can't find the sin nature curse .

A selfish nature , preserve the flesh .


Do you agree with what I wrote below ?

The bible doesn't teach that they had it from the start.
God said everything He created was good.
Please reply,but tomorrow.

Will split this and start a new thread.

 

[Iconoclast]

DNA , yes or no ? And why didn't God tell Adam in Genesis that sin nature was his to pass on ?

Adam and all of mankind was now cursed with death after the fall . And the ground was cursed . God told Adam all these things but I can't find the sin nature curse .

When God said, dying thou shalt surely die, that is exactly what happened. The whole bible explains the reults of Adam's Covenant breaking.

 

[hawkman]

3. Christ Is All-Powerful (Omnipotent)

One of the attributes of God is that he is all-powerful or omnipotent. Jesus did not give up this attribute when he became human. Jesus said about his authority.

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth" (Matthew 28:18).

Because he is all-powerful he has no weakness. This would include a weakness to sin.

Some problems with this , first it is false . Timing , Matthew 28:18 was after the RESURRECTION . You would think this well quoted Don Stewart would pay attention .

All powerful and omnipotent is not "wearied" . Jesus was wearied . He was tired .

John 4:6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.

Jesus was hungry . Not a sign of "All powerful and omnipotent" . The humanity of Jesus , do you see it Iconoclast ?

11 And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.

12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:

13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.

 

[Hopeful 2]

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

I am glad Paul made it clear that those things only applied to our pre-conversion lives.
"In times past", and "were".