We Are Made Out Of Light...

[eddif]

Acts 6:15 KJV
And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel.

Stephen after a long prophetic speech and looking into heaven (at the point approaching death), there is a chance a glow was on the face of Stephen. Jesus was at the time approaching death when he was transfigured. At Pentecost the cloven tongues of fire do lift up questions, but I know the (He has been with you, but shall be in you) statement happens at a point in time. The time it happened was at Pentecost and not at creation (garden time frame). At creation Adam became a living soul by the Spirit The Holy. At Pentecost the word went into hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit.

I am sure not against the discussion. I do wish to make sure that the light is attributed to the initial source. If I want to be equal to God the Lucifer Syndrome appears. Reflecting a little light might be ok (?). Maybe some see it as nit picking, but Adam (male and female) were removed because of their elevated self concept. The concept of becoming like God. This self concept is redescribed in Romans 1.

We start out as images / shadows, and the true reality of our end is eternity in heaven. Is it a done deal when our name is written in the Lambs Book of Life? Yes. Can a Mississippi redneck do a credible job of explaining it? Not till I see Him. These welding lenses ( through a glass darkly) are pretty dark except I look into heaven like Stephen.

Mississippi redneck
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[eddif]

We are made out of light. I've suspected this for awhile now, and keep running across scriptures which support the notion. We were created spirit beings, in God's own image and likeness, and God is a Spirit, therefor we are spirit beings.

Boy do I need to be friendly.

Ok Time:
Started on day 4

Ok Adam:
Created in time on day 6
As long as he ate from the tree of life he would live forever, but blocked from that tree he would not.

His (male and female) job was natural:
Garden tending etc.

Spiritually did not see what the temptation was that was coming through the serpent. Saw only the external beauty on outside of tree and taste of fruit. The senses are a image of the spiritual gifts that come (seen through prophets, and given to sons and daughters at Jewish Pentecost and Gentile Pentecost). The spiritual to sons and daughters waits till Pentecost. Even at Pentecost the flesh still houses the Spiritual
Romans 7:25

Redneck
eddif

 

[Edward]

Acts 6:15 KJV
And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel.

Stephen after a long prophetic speech and looking into heaven (at the point approaching death), there is a chance a glow was on the face of Stephen. Jesus was at the time approaching death when he was transfigured. At Pentecost the cloven tongues of fire do lift up questions, but I know the (He has been with you, but shall be in you) statement happens at a point in time. The time it happened was at Pentecost and not at creation (garden time frame). At creation Adam became a living soul by the Spirit The Holy. At Pentecost the word went into hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit.

I am sure not against the discussion. I do wish to make sure that the light is attributed to the initial source. If I want to be equal to God the Lucifer Syndrome appears. Reflecting a little light might be ok (?). Maybe some see it as nit picking, but Adam (male and female) were removed because of their elevated self concept. The concept of becoming like God. This self concept is redescribed in Romans 1.

We start out as images / shadows, and the true reality of our end is eternity in heaven. Is it a done deal when our name is written in the Lambs Book of Life? Yes. Can a Mississippi redneck do a credible job of explaining it? Not till I see Him. These welding lenses ( through a glass darkly) are pretty dark except I look into heaven like Stephen.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Ok, I get it what you're saying. I guess it is kind of scary in a way. But on the other hand, it seems important too, and we should want the truth of it. But be assured, Brother...if there's one thing that I know I do have right, it's a healthy fear of God. There's no one here trying to be equal with God or any foolishness like that, however, God paints a pretty good picture of (Himself!) man wherein, we were created in God's own image and likeness (that's huge in itself), I don't think any other creation can attest to the that. I believe that we're the only ones who were created with God's own image. Nothing in scripture that I've seen says that Angels are in God's image and one day, we will in fact judge Angels?! So is it reaching to say, that man was created a little higher than the Angels?

Now it is true that, man is in a fallen state (most people at least), and in a fallen state, man will kill himself, we would die without God. That's a fact even if we haven't done it yet. Before man fell, before he was even created, God had an idea and began to do something. Something involving man. Something about, being one with man, with Christ, and all living together...some or all of (?) us will get to actually sit on His throne with Him...!!

There's no reason to think that God's plan changed. God doesn't change, He doesn't make mistakes, and He doesn't make bad investments, He is...Almighty. But man goofed and had a setback (to put it lightly). God's plan will come to pass, He had to do something to make it right if man kind were going to live or not. He loves all of us so much...that He allowed for His only begotten Son, to step in and (voluntarily) take the punishment for man. That's beyond huge, Brother! Tell me He don't love us A LOT, for Him to do such a thing!

His was a good plan and it did work. The description of the four faces of God, is Ox, Eagle, Lion, Man. (Ezekiel 1:5-15)...is that allegorical for Father (Ox), Son (Lion), Holy Spirit (Eagle), Man? That paints a pretty good picture for Man's future! Praise the Lord!

Can you imagine sitting on the throne of God and looking out through God...??! Not as the Head, but seeing only, while God (The Head) does...God stuff. In spirit. In Christ, Christ in us...(He said) I and the Father are one...Wow. Our God is such a Good God! Glory to Him forever!

We need to understand who we are in Christ. We are powerful spirit-beings that are very special to God. We can do nothing of ourselves, yet nothing is impossible in Christ. We can do more than we think we can, be not deceived. This is where a lot of believers go lukewarm. They're afraid to step out in faith.

This isn't a deception where lucifer the so called angel of light swoops in and snatches me out of the Lords hand. (Lol), but who we are. You are a Spirit-being first and do have a light. The light of the Lord within us. Man's spirit was put into subjection to the soul and the flesh at the time of the fall. Jesus freed our spirits when He rose up. It is finished. The new Covenant is a done deal, and it's such a good Covenant! Now it's up to us to act. Through God's word, and (prayer) a focusing of heart, and our spirit (our spirit is our link to God!) we can allow our spirit within us, to, come out, take the preeminent position...and walk in the Lord. Those are the believers that heal people, control the weather and so forth. (These signs follow those who believe)

I wish I could see myself through Gods eyes.

 

[eddif]

We need to understand who we are in Christ. We are powerful spirit-beings that are very special to God. We can do nothing of ourselves, yet nothing is impossible in Christ. We can do more than we think we can, be not deceived. This is where a lot of believers go lukewarm. They're afraid to step out in faith.

This is the actual area I am stressing:
In Christ
We have eternal life (not garden life depending on continual eating from the physical tree of life)

Holy Spirit baptism
We are given spirituals at Pentecost (not carnal senses just heightened for a moment by a prophet (like letting his servant see the host of heaven temporarily).

Discussing spirituals existing in Adam at creation places Pentecost at creation. The spiritual comes at Pentecost. I will be a 78 record jumping the same grooves over and over.
1. Living soul at creation (living thinking man)
2. Receiving spirituals at Pentecost (sons and daughters and not just prophets)

Spirituals are shown in prophets (OT) but not all that many times. New Testament shows more prophetic activity.

First the physical then the spiritual.
II Corinthians 4:7 KJV
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

If we were all spiritual (our whole being) then God could not hide spiritual in spiritual and not have questions. No trouble with a jerk from Mississippi; the good must be apart from the carnal.

If the images point to the spiritual there is no problem.

redneck
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[reba]

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Gal_1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Eph_6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Heb_2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

 

[eddif]

But be assured, Brother...if there's one thing that I know I do have right, it's a healthy fear of God.

The fear oh God is the beginning of wisdom.

Fear is a start. I respect fear.

Then does repentance follow fear. I do not mean reventernal fear, but fear that cries out (what must I do to be saved)

Edward I am not questioning your personal status. I am using this thread (and your comments to order things).

If we are in fear we may repent.

Then
Christ is the answer to bring about spiritual eternal life.

Then
Personal Pentecost starts ability to witness to others. This means we are able to discuss sin, righteousness, and judgement. Probably on a better level than I can.

Let's keep on keeping on.

eddif

 

[stovebolts]

Edward
I think what they are trying to say, is that because you can't separate the physical from the spiritual, they need to be placed in separate categories as to keep them rightly divided.
In other words, I think they are trying to warn not to ascribe to the flesh which belongs to the spirit.

But to your earlier point, don't let that type of thinking keep you from doing all things unto the Lord.

Love the Lord with all your strength (what you do), all your heart (be pationate) and mind (thoughts).

 

[eddif]

Edward
I think what they are trying to say, is that because you can't separate the physical from the spiritual, they need to be placed in separate categories as to keep them rightly divided.
In other words, I think they are trying to warn not to ascribe to the flesh which belongs to the spirit.

But to your earlier point, don't let that type of thinking keep you from doing all things unto the Lord.

Love the Lord with all your strength (what you do), all your heart (be pationate) and mind (thoughts).

You have said it well. I ascribed a huge amount of good to my flesh years ago. My wife saw to it I knew my flesh was not yet perfected. My flesh may have improved, but I began to see scriptures that said at the last trump we would be totally changed.

My mind of Christ swings from chandeliers, but I still fail in flesh areas. Crucify the flesh.

eddif

 

[eddif]

To discuss this subject you just about need at least one of every major group. The human body does not function without kidneys, lungs, liver, bones, stomach, brain, skin etc.

Kidneys do not understand a liver, and a liver finds lung thoughts strange, but the body needs them all. Without a holiness person we relax our need to keep after the flesh.

Administrators are needed to keep us in line. The imagery of the body helps us work together. In my mind I run more pew backs than any Pentecostal around, but when a discussion like this thread hits and I discuss Romans 7:25 I get dismissed on the spot. But without a strong Pentecostal push, we lose the need for baptism in the Holy Spirit. Without others saying ( you got a spirit all right but it ain't Holy), we miss all the moderation we need. Not lukewarm, not passion / zeal with knowledge.

eddif done got to hijacking threads again. Rednecks can't do much on their own.

eddif

 

[Edward]

Edward
I think what they are trying to say, is that because you can't separate the physical from the spiritual, they need to be placed in separate categories as to keep them rightly divided.
In other words, I think they are trying to warn not to ascribe to the flesh which belongs to the spirit.

But to your earlier point, don't let that type of thinking keep you from doing all things unto the Lord.

Love the Lord with all your strength (what you do), all your heart (be pationate) and mind (thoughts).

I think that's what we're supposed to do. To separate spirit from Soul.Somehow, this is done through the Word of God. Hey I'm not the first to think of this, I just found an article about it.

http://www.rhema.org/index.php?opti...74:the-dividing-of-soul-and-spirit&Itemid=145

Yeah.

 

[stovebolts]

eddif
I appreciate your concerns, and they are valid concerns.
However, I don't think either Edward nor myself we're moving in that direction.

How much nicer and pleasant to build off each other, and encourage one another in the Lord than it is to safeguard and worry about others based on our own faults and struggles.

When God had finished His creation, He said that not only was it good, but he actually said that it was very good.

And it is good when we edify one another for the things we do in our flesh for we do these things in our devotion to our Lord.

While our flesh can cause us to stray at times, it is not evil for it can do good things as well which bring glory and honor to our Lord. In this way, we are the light of the world and we shouldn't hide it under a bowl for fear of messing up.

Take care, and peace be with you.

 

[stovebolts]

I think that's what we're supposed to do. To separate spirit from Soul.Somehow, this is done through the Word of God. Hey I'm not the first to think of this, I just found an article about it.

http://www.rhema.org/index.php?opti...74:the-dividing-of-soul-and-spirit&Itemid=145

Yeah.

That was a good read. Good stuff for sure.
Have you ever pondered Davids words where he says, give me a clean heart and a new spirit?

Sometimes we need a readjustment in this life. We can do things we think are right, but they don't turn out how we thought and it's easy to become disappointed or disgruntled.

Having a clean heart means thinking the best of everything and a new spirit is to recapture the hope that moves us forward when our thinking gets us in a rut.

Gods word is able to do this, if we have ears to hear and a willingness to have enough faith that doing it Gods way will bring about a better outcome.

Sorry for the ramble...

 

[Edward]

That was a good read. Good stuff for sure.
Have you ever pondered Davids words where he says, give me a clean heart and a new spirit?

Sometimes we need a readjustment in this life. We can do things we think are right, but they don't turn out how we thought and it's easy to become disappointed or disgruntled.

Having a clean heart means thinking the best of everything and a new spirit is to recapture the hope that moves us forward when our thinking gets us in a rut.

Gods word is able to do this, if we have ears to hear and a willingness to have enough faith that doing it Gods way will bring about a better outcome.

Sorry for the ramble...

Exactly. Those are even promises made in scripture. Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.../

That there is incredibly encouraging. We know God is not slack in His promises. This probably takes place when we are born again. At that point, either the believer sits down to wait on God and becomes lukewarm, or they stand up and pick it up and walk with it.

That's the cross. Jesus said to pick up that cross daily and walk with it. The old man is dead, (the soul is not in charge anymore), walk with this perspective because it's true. Suddenly we're totally dependent on God. But that's ok. We're just like, becoming as a little child who needs direction and protection in everything. The minute that we're not led of the Spirit, and begin to lean upon our own understanding, we resurrect the old man and drop the cross. It is written, if it's not of faith, then it's sin.

I found this. Boy does this man have a good handle on it! It's short and powerful.

 

[stovebolts]

This probably takes place when we are born again.

Funny, I think we are born again, and again, and again... Some might call that sanctification.

I gotta go put in a water softner, so I don't have 34 minutes to watch your video, but I'm sure it's good.

The minute that we're not led of the Spirit, and begin to lean upon our own understanding, we resurrect the old man and drop the cross.

I think your right on the mark. But here's an old struggle of mine when that kind of thinking was front and center in my mind. How do I decide what is my own understanding and that which the Lord has given me? Or perhaps it was God who put me into a stupor so that I would later have an awakening? What I do know is that all things work to the good for those who love God. And if this is true, and I believe that it is true, then I don't have to worry if I'm operating in the Spirit or the flesh. If I hold fast to my devotion to the Lord, and I try to do what is right, then, even if I unknowingly operate in the flesh, I know that God's got me, and he'll bring me around because he's got purpose in my life.

David made a lot of mistakes, but he never stopped loving the Lord. And the cool thing is, God credits David as having a heart after the Lord's... and for me, that means something. David made a ton of HUGE mistakes, but God had him.

Now, I'm not saying that we can go out and do what we want, because Paul writes that if we push God's grace, then our condemnation is deserved. But I do believe that when we experience God's grace, it can turn us, and we can learn to show grace towards each other. Now, this does not mean we twist, manipulate or hide the truth. It simply means we speak the truth in love, which means showing grace, patience and we always hope.

Take care brother, and have a great day.

 

[eddif]

II Timothy 4:2 KJV
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

eddif

 

[Free]

It seems to me that any talk of man being created from light is conjecture, nothing more. So what does the Bible clearly say?

Gen 2:7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature. (ESV)

 

[Edward]

It seems to me that any talk of man being created from light is conjecture, nothing more. So what does the Bible clearly say?

Gen 2:7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature. (ESV)

The Lord God formed mans flesh body from the dust of the earth. Not his spirit.

Actually, most people think we're made out of dust...like dirt dust and this isn't so. It was dust alright, but ut was dust from the creation of the world. Residual construction dust. I've heard that the dust that we were formed from was actually gold dust from the river Pison.

It wasnt dirt. Our dust that we have nowadays isn't the same as it was then. Now we have a layer of dirt over everything. As for the conjecturing...uh, yeah, I'm conjecturing. I'm not asking anyone to believe it or to change their doctrinal views or anything, so...what's wrong with that? I might be right. There's a good possibility I am.

 

[Free]

The Lord God formed mans flesh body from the dust of the earth. Not his spirit.

But all we have from Scripture is that man was made from dust. That is my point.

Actually, most people think we're made out of dust...like dirt dust and this isn't so. It was dust alright, but ut was dust from the creation of the world. Residual construction dust.

Dust is dust. We are made from the dust of the earth; that is all the Bible says. To go beyond that and make it out to be some sort of special dust is conjecture.

I've heard that the dust that we were formed from was actually gold dust from the river Pison.

Again, this is mere conjecture. Don't believe such silliness.

It wasnt dirt. Our dust that we have nowadays isn't the same as it was then.

Proof please.

Now we have a layer of dirt over everything. As for the conjecturing...uh, yeah, I'm conjecturing. I'm not asking anyone to believe it or to change their doctrinal views or anything, so...what's wrong with that? I might be right. There's a good possibility I am.

You have not given anything to show that your you might be right so I don't know how you can think that there is a good possibility that you are. What's wrong is that it makes the Bible say things it does not, and that is a serious offense.

 

[Free]

Sorry about not changing the format on that post there, Free, but it's just too darn long. lol

It's too bad that you want someone else to do all the work.

Before the fall of man, our spirit rode on the outside of our flesh, being "clothed" if you will, in light.

Please provide scriptural support.

Psalm 104:2

That passage does not support your assertion.

There's got to be a deception in there somewhere. Scientists are now pretty sure that Blood is made out of congealed light. But of course it is! Scripture does say that life is in the blood, and that life is none other than our Lord, who is the life and light of our world.

"Scientists" think that blood is made of congealed light? Do you have legit sources for that? Liquids congeal, btw.

What you're saying is that our Lord is congealed in our blood or is congealed as our blood. Do you have any scriptural evidence for this?

I didn't actually say that, but it may just be an accurate statement. Psalm 56:13, John 1:4, 1 John 1: 5-7

No, it isn't an accurate statement and the passages you gave do not support it. Do you have any legitimate sources for your claim about scientists?

In Hebrews 4:12, we are given a hint, of what must happen for us to regain our true spiritual identity, for our spirit to take again the position of preeminence, so that we can live and grow, in Christ, as the children of God (light) that we are.

What, specifically, does Heb. 4:12 say that is in any ways hint "of what must happen to us to regain our true spiritual identity"?

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (ESV)

This talks only of the word of God.

The dividing of our spirit from our soul,. joints and marrow. Our spirit should be in the dominant position.

That verse is not saying that such things will be separated or that they even can be separate. Rather, it is clear that the expression is used to show just how God's word is able to penetrate into the innermost being, as seen in the phrase that follows that expression: "and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart."

Remember the mount of transfiguration? What really happened there? I think that Jesus, merely allowed His Spirit to come to the outside of Himself, for a breath of fresh air.

You think that is what happened. Do you have scriptural evidence?

I do for some of it. I posted it. Some of it is conjecture, I'm tryin to work it out. It seems important.

It's all conjecture so far. The transfiguration is likely just a glimpse of the deity of Jesus breaking through, as well as the gloriousness of the resurrection body.

If you cannot find such a teaching among a majority, or even a significant minority, of Christian scholars and theologians all the way back down to the early church fathers, then that should be a big, red flag.

 

[Edward]

But all we have from Scripture is that man was made from dust. That is my point.


Dust is dust. We are made from the dust of the earth; that is all the Bible says. To go beyond that and make it out to be some sort of special dust is conjecture.


Again, this is mere conjecture. Don't believe such silliness.


Proof please.


You have not given anything to show that your you might be right so I don't know how you can think that there is a good possibility that you are. What's wrong is that it makes the Bible say things it does not, and that is a serious offense.

If it's not in the bible then you don't believe in it. That's ok brother. However your belilef system is, I'm good with that. Personally, I believe that there's more truth than what's in the bible. Even scripture says that if everything that Jesus said and did were written down that it'd fill the world with books.

I'm not going to go all out trying to prove any of this to you. You already don't want to believe it, and that's fine too. To each his own. That you think it's some sort of offense is a little weird. That we are spiritual beings, and are to live for the spirit and be led of the Spirit is something that I'm interested in and so I'm working it out. That is supported scripturally, so if that's not something that you're interested in...uh, what can I say? I meant no offense to you, I don't know what offense it could possibly be? I've not said anything that contradicts scripture so I'm really at a loss to understand your discrepancy with it.