We Are Made Out Of Light...

[Edward]

You do realize that this is worldly, post-modern, relativistic thinking, yes? The Bible says what it does and we need to be very careful to not make it say more than it does nor less than it does. It's not that I don't want to believe it, it's that it is all so far mere conjecture based on proof-texting; there simply is no reason to believe it.

But do you realize, that in the last days, knowledge shall be increased? (Daniel 12:4) This is what's happening. Is it spelled out clearly? No, it's not. Does that make it untrue? No, it doesn't. God loves to hide, and to hide things, and wants us to...rightly divide the Word. To fully comprehend it may require...taking some of it on faith. You seem to be...hesitant to receive this, and I suppose that it's ok to be skeptical, but at the same time, don't be so afraid of deception to fail to see new truths. It would inhibit your spiritual growth Brother. So at least keep an open mind about it, and take comfort in the fact that no one can snatch you from His hand. He's not going to lead us into deception when we seek Him, He will lead us into truth. :yes

 

[th1b.taylor]

We are made out of light. I've suspected this for awhile now, and keep running across scriptures which support the notion. We were created spirit beings, in God's own image and likeness, and God is a Spirit, therefor we are spirit beings.

Agreed!

Before the fall of man, our spirit rode on the outside of our flesh, being "clothed" if you will, in light.
Psalm 104:1-2
104 Bless the Lord, O my soul. O Lord my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:.../

That doesn't work that way for mankind and you have failed to demonstrate, from scripture, this light principal of the spirit residing outside our bodies. You have taken a great leap, is what I feel, and you are adding what is not there. We must always beware of epirits that prod us because we cannot be Possessed because we are indwelt and sealed by the Holy Spirit but we can be influenced by other spirits.

Were our Eternal Spirit not clothed in this flesh you might be able to make a case but we still drag this Old Man with us, wherever and whenever we go.

Therefor, Adam & Eve were not naked. When they fell, our spirit was pushed inside of us, out of the preeminent position...we 'died' spiritually that day. God's response, was to immediately provide a covering for them and shed an animals blood to aquire the skin for them to use as a covering.

Then they started teaching that we are human beings, but on a spiritual journey and got everyone all confused about who and what we really are. You are not human, you are a spirit. We are to be led by the spirit. What's that mean? The Holy Spirit? Yes, the Holy Spirit, however, if we are to be led of the Spirit...we have to ready ourselves to receive His Spirit to lead and guide us. This is done by allowing our own spirit to take the preeminent position within us and thereby focus our heart and spirit on God. Practice allowing your spirit to take his proper position of preeminence within you.

We either sell out to God or we remain Lost, lost and deceived but I really am a flesh and blood Human Being. Bullets punch holes in this carcass and when I am struck in the head, hard enough, I grow large goose eggs on my skull that hurt like the dickens.

Now you're almost right with your wording of placing the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost first in your life but the wording lends itself to the mysterious meta-physical interpretations that got King Saul into such a mess with the witch. And if w must prepare ourselves to receive the Holy Spirit, Salvation is gained through wor5ks and I have something to brag about... NOT true.

Scripture does not refer to our bodies as flesh and blood. but flesh and bone. Genesis 2:23, Luke 24:39, and that's very curious to me, why man teaches flesh and blood, but it's flesh and bone. There's got to be a deception in there somewhere. Scientists are now pretty sure that Blood is made out of congealed light. But of course it is! Scripture does say that life is in the blood, and that life is none other than our Lord, who is the life and light of our world.

I'm sorry but Congealed Light is Trash Science.

So when we fell, the light congealed, was pushed inside of us, to become subservient to the flesh. Our flesh dominates us. We're left without an identity...until Jesus came, that is!

In Hebrews 4:12, we are given a hint, of what must happen for us to regain our true spiritual identity, for our spirit to take again the position of preeminence, so that we can live and grow, in Christ, as the children of God (light) that we are. Remember the mount of transfiguration? What really happened there? I think that Jesus, merely allowed His Spirit to come to the outside of Himself, for a breath of fresh air.

I am sorry but that is an opinion and it does not jive with the scriptures, it is, just, not true.

Doing that, totally blew the minds of the Apostles who were present, who didn't know what to say or do at this happening. It was, WOW! Look at Him now! (Not knowing, that they themselves could do this very thing!)

As newborn Christians, scripture says that we become a new creation, transformed by the renewing of our minds (Rom 12). not to sit down and say, one day...the Lord wiil change me, da da da. The day is today, the time is now. Comprehend your spiritual nature, and walk in it,

Eh? :wink

It is true that we are new creations but not as you have drawn this picture. There will be no need of a sun and/or a moon because God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, the true light of the creation will be there with us. Do I understand the mechanics of the Spirit Realm? Nope, I do not but I know the author of everything and I know I can trust His Word.

 

[Edward]

That doesn't work that way for mankind and you have failed to demonstrate, from scripture, this light principal of the spirit residing outside our bodies. You have taken a great leap, is what I feel, and you are adding what is not there. We must always beware of epirits that prod us because we cannot be Possessed because we are indwelt and sealed by the Holy Spirit but we can be influenced by other spirits.

Were our Eternal Spirit not clothed in this flesh you might be able to make a case but we still drag this Old Man with us, wherever and whenever we go.

It's inferred in scripture. But in our pre-fallen state, we had to have been clothed! They couldn't see their nakedness. Because they weren't naked. Why didn't they know they were naked?

Isn't our old man supposed to be dead, Brother? We walk in Christ, a new creation. Dead to the flesh, living in the Spirit. Our flesh body is a temporary dwelling, scripture makes that clear. Our flesh may have become our garment in the fall, but it was not intended to be our outer garment nor was it, before the fall. We were created in Gods image and likeness...andn He is clothed in Light.

 

[Edward]

I'm sorry but Congealed Light is Trash Science.

Not entirely. They're doing things with light that were previously unheard of. The have Li-Fi now, which is internet with light transmission. It's the fastest on the planet. It's not here in the US because the corporate frogs are greedy and wont give it to us yet.
[CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Physicists have for the first time stopped and extinguished a light pulse in one part of space and then revived it in a completely separate location. They accomplished this feat by completely converting the light pulse into matter that travels between the two locations and is subsequently changed back to light.

Matter, unlike light, can easily be manipulated, and the experiments provide a powerful means to control optical information. The findings, published this week by Harvard University researchers in the journal Nature, could present an entirely new way for scientists and engineers to manipulate the light pulses used in fiber-optic communications, the technology at the heart of our highly networked society.

"We demonstrate that we can stop a light pulse in a supercooled sodium cloud, store the data contained within it, and totally extinguish it, only to reincarnate the pulse in another cloud two-tenths of a millimeter away," says Lene Vestergaard Hau, Mallinckrodt Professor of Physics and of Applied Physics in Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences and School of Engineering and Applied Sciences.]

It is true that we are new creations but not as you have drawn this picture. There will be no need of a sun and/or a moon because God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, the true light of the creation will be there with us. Do I understand the mechanics of the Spirit Realm? Nope, I do not but I know the author of everything and I know I can trust His Word.

Yes, we can trust His Word. His word tells us to let our light shine before men. How do I do that, Brother?

 

[th1b.taylor]

It's inferred in scripture. But in our pre-fallen state, we had to have been clothed! They couldn't see their nakedness. Because they weren't naked. Why didn't they know they were naked?

Isn't our old man supposed to be dead, Brother? We walk in Christ, a new creation. Dead to the flesh, living in the Spirit. Our flesh body is a temporary dwelling, scripture makes that clear. Our flesh may have become our garment in the fall, but it was not intended to be our outer garment nor was it, before the fall. We were created in Gods image and likeness...andn He is clothed in Light.

The Old Man is the issue. They did not perceive their nakedness because nothing in Creation wore any clothing, they had nothing to be ashamed of partook of the fruit. Once they ate of the tree they had chosen to sin and sin entered.

When God created them they were perfect, perfect for exactly what God foreknew was going to happen. God was not swurprized

But let's get to the issue. You, I, and every other Christian are still residing in the old man's body and the body lusts and that's sin. I like to explain it this way; In some states of the Roman Empire, if a man murdered another and was caught quickly, they tied the dead man onto the back of the murderer until the rotting flesh on his back killed him.

The dead man, the murder man, is our old man we have slain to be reborn and we carry that rotting flesh ntil we die.

Oh, almost forgot, that we are made up of light is not inferred in the scripture, that is you finding what you wanted to find. Not trying to be better than thou but it is the truth.

 

[eddif]

Exodus 34:32 KJV
And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the LORD had spoken with him in mount Sinai.
33 And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face.
34 But when Moses went in before the LORD to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel thatwhich he was commanded.
35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

Ok stop running the pew backs. Settle down.

The skin of his face shone (from the outside presence of God).

Natural:
When we are in the sunshine our skin is effected. It does not mean there is light inside us causing the effect. A little vitamin D might do us some good. The presence of God may have made Stephen's face look angelic.

We is made of dust, but he made the dust too. Leaded glass changes when exposed to light.

Jesus at transfiguration.......:
If the moon looks like a light (and it does), it does not mean it is the source of the light. The sun is the source. Jesus prayed a lot right near his death.

If I just did not have these welding glasses on, maybe I could see more.

eddif

 

[th1b.taylor]

I will not try to explain that which I do not comprehend but they did turn the light but it was not stored. the cubes were less than a tenth of a milometer, they were just not touching and who knows, when you jack around with the properties of light, it might be that it will arc the same as electricity. This provides nothing fof substance to demonstrate that we are composed of light. This just scientists wasting money, hoping to discover something useful.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Yes, we can trust His Word. His word tells us to let our light shine before men. How do I do that, Brother?

We do that by walking the walk and study the Word of God so the Holy Ghost can clue you to the answer any question somebody might ask about your faith.

 

[eddif]

Us (like Taylor says)
John 7:38 KJV
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Jesus
Revelation 19:14 KJV
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Jesus is the reality.
We are servants.

John the Baptist realized his station / place.
Paul realized who he was.

It took me a long time to see myself as the jerk from Mississippi.

eddif

 

[th1b.taylor]

Us (like Taylor says)
John 7:38 KJV
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Jesus
Revelation 19:14 KJV
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Jesus is the reality.
We are servants.

John the Baptist realized his station / place.
Paul realized who he was.

It took me a long time to see myself as the jerk from Mississippi.

eddif

Nah, you're good , I had to get all stupid and try to run from God for 23 years after He spoke to me.

 

[KevinK]

I don't pretend to know much of anything regarding the field of optics (the fact that I was a fiber optic tech for a decade or so notwithstanding), but that Cambridge study is monumental. 600 feet-per-hour is almost exactly 2 inches-per-second, or a little over a tenth of a mile-per-hour! That's about how fast ants move, but light (although it was technically a "matter wave" at that point)!! That woman is Kylo Ren when he stopped the blaster pulse mid-air.

 

[eddif]

Isaiah 55:11 KJV
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thingwhereto I sent it.

Ok so science is just getting around to proving OT concepts.

eddif

 

[eddif]

[QUOTE="Edward, post: 1299648, member: 2989"
Yes, we can trust His Word. His word tells us to let our light shine before men. How do I do that, Brother?[/QUOTE]

Die to self and let his will to be done.

Yet not i but Christ that dwelleth in me (memory)

eddif

 

[Edward]

We do that by walking the walk and study the Word of God so the Holy Ghost can clue you to the answer any question somebody might ask about your faith.

Amen, Brother! These are things He's showing me lately.

 

[eddif]

Philippians 2:13 KJV
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

As opposed to
II Chronicles 7:14 KJV
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Works under the law:
required us to set in motion a temporal action in our life.

Under grace:
To set an eternal life into being.

Jesus took the first step.
I Peter 2:24 KJV
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Or

I John 1:9 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

One covenant has us in charge (in a sense).

The New Covenant has Jesus leading the way (by His death and sending the Holy Spirit to work in us).

To me this is the whole issue about light. Who is the source?

redneck
eddif

 

[Edward]

Philippians 2:13 KJV
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

As opposed to
II Chronicles 7:14 KJV
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Works under the law:
required us to set in motion a temporal action in our life.

Under grace:
To set an eternal life into being.

Jesus took the first step.
I Peter 2:24 KJV
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Or

I John 1:9 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

One covenant has us in charge (in a sense).

The New Covenant has Jesus leading the way (by His death and sending the Holy Spirit to work in us).

To me this is the whole issue about light. Who is the source?

redneck
eddif

Good question. The Lord is the source of the light. We merely "borrow" it as we are in Christ. The light within us is our life. Or our life force if you will. What makes us "alive".

The New Covenant has Jesus leading the way (by His death and sending the Holy Spirit to work in us)...

Types and shadows Brother. Remember the triumphant entry into Jerusalem? Take that untried colt (us), for the Lord has need of it. Then He sat upon it, and guided it into Jerusalem. But something else too...all of the Apostles laid their coats (mantles) upon the colt first. All of them...I take that to mean that everything that the Apostles were annointed to do, we shall be doing all of that and more. The Lord is going to do a mighty work in the church in these days...like the world has never seen before.

 

[eddif]

Balance (walk up rightly). The Holy Spirit is taking me here, and I must not know this.

Ephesians 4:30 KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

I think I am giving the Holy Spirit indigestion.
Revelation 3:20 KJV
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

We are having a meal, but I am not that good of a dinner companion.

The Holy Spirit is persistent.

Balance. But I don't want ballet lessons. In Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female (what big feet you have). But I am crude. Not if you will enjoy the meal.

eddif

 

[eddif]

Good question. The Lord is the source of the light. We merely "borrow" it as we are in Christ. The light within us is our life. Or our life force if you will. What makes us "alive".

The New Covenant has Jesus leading the way (by His death and sending the Holy Spirit to work in us)...

Types and shadows Brother. Remember the triumphant entry into Jerusalem? Take that untried colt (us), for the Lord has need of it. Then He sat upon it, and guided it into Jerusalem. But something else too...all of the Apostles laid their coats (mantles) upon the colt first. All of them...I take that to mean that everything that the Apostles were annointed to do, we shall be doing all of that and more. The Lord is going to do a mighty work in the church in these days...like the world has never seen before.

I actually read this after the previous post. He must be at work in all of us.

The triumphant entry is IMHO the way we act at first (Peter said I will not deny you).

Jesus already was humbling himself to the death on the cross (fathers will). He
Was not yet on the white horse leading the host (but that time will come).

The return at final judgement will not be exactly the same as the donkey ride.

Right now I am somewhere between my high horse and the donkey. There may be a donkey with training wheels in there somewhere.

One day all this will be clear. Now it is still through a glass darkly, but not blind.

eddif

 

[eddif]

I John 1:7 KJV
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The moon has nothing to shroud itself from the sunlight hitting it or from the reflection hitting earth. Jesus was naked on the cross.

We tend to hide in the garden like Adam. Very little light strikes us, and folks may not see much light reflected. We have to walk openly to function. Romans 1:19-20 directs
us to creation. The other night we had: full moon, comet, lunar eclipse (?). I just saw the full moon. As we saw him go so shall we see him come again. All creation speaks.

eddif

 

[eddif]

Dr. John Ott
https://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-and-environment/john-ott-zm0z86zhun

You learn a lot about spectrum color from this. It is in the natural, but the metaphysical (spiritual) is nearby.

This shows the need to see full spectrum teaching in the Bible. One person may specialize, but others fill other needs.

eddif