We Are Made Out Of Light...

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John 3:3 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The natural birth of man does not convey spiritual gifts. The Holy Spirit caused prophets to speak, but did not given them the interpretation of the suffering they were writing about. New Testament writers received the information.

I Peter 1:10 KJV
Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should comeunto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Revelation of God seems to be progressive. It appears Adam did not have more than the prophets that followed. The disciples did not even understand the suffering of Jesus before the Holy Spirit was sent. The apostles did write much later.

We all see through a glass darkly, but we are not blind guides. Not because we are something in the flesh, but because of what Jesus planted in good ground hearts.

Romans 7:25 even shows that the good is placed in earthen vessels.

First Adam
Second Adam

Mississippi redneck
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Dust is dust. We are made from the dust of the earth; that is all the Bible says. To go beyond that and make it out to be some sort of special dust is conjecture.

Romans 1:19-20 KJV
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

If we do not look into creation as created by God we wind up in verse 21. An examination of dust by day 6 would show a lot. Organic decayed products, vegetable matter, inorganic compounds, etc.

If we refuse to look at creation we are in trouble. If our vain imaginations run wild we are in trouble.

Man at least has a snail like ear part. Science chose to define symmetry so that we have problems looking at symmetry. What kind of symmetry does DNA have? (Oh well that is undefined so we can not go there). Ok give me a few minutes to blackout the Romans passage LOL.

Rebirth into a New Man made up of Jew and Gentile is a scriptural fact. Adam type man was made of natural elements with life breathed into him, but only on a symbolic level.
But, So, Thus
The symbolic level of creation does speak to the invisible things of God. Control of thinking / revelation in this area is tough though.

The word became flesh - Jesus.

The symbols have reality in Christ Jesus.

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[Edward]

Romans 1:19-20 KJV
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

If we do not look into creation as created by God we wind up in verse 21. An examination of dust by day 6 would show a lot. Organic decayed products, vegetable matter, inorganic compounds, etc.

If we refuse to look at creation we are in trouble. If our vain imaginations run wild we are in trouble.

Man at least has a snail like ear part. Science chose to define symmetry so that we have problems looking at symmetry. What kind of symmetry does DNA have? (Oh well that is undefined so we can not go there). Ok give me a few minutes to blackout the Romans passage LOL.

Rebirth into a New Man made up of Jew and Gentile is a scriptural fact. Adam type man was made of natural elements with life breathed into him, but only on a symbolic level.
But, So, Thus
The symbolic level of creation does speak to the invisible things of God. Control of thinking / revelation in this area is tough though.

The word became flesh - Jesus.

The symbols have reality in Christ Jesus.

eddif

Good post, Brother. I don't think God has a problem with us pondering the invisible things of God. We don't want to get off the track, and start believing fables and such, but the invisible things of God are supposed to be understood by us. We're to not only read the Word, but to meditate upon it also. This takes us to some strange places. But it's where they Spirit goes, so...we should follow it and let the Spirit teach us and guide us into new revelation, and new truths, which do nothing other than shine light on our path. It's part of maturing as a believer.

Especially things about the Spirit. We're told to crucify the old man and live for the Spirit, daily. New man, and all that. Well, WADR, this doesn't include rejecting learning about our spirit, God's Spirit, the Kingdom realm, and who we really are in Christ. We have to be teachable.

Don't let yesterdays deceptions (or plain ignorance) turn into today's obstacles. That we're made out of light, is encouraging and exciting, for me at least. That we are spirit-beings, with a soul, that lives in a body, is a much better perspective than believing that I'm human and nothing more. Through grace, we were created very special, moreso than we realize. We're very valuable to God and we're very special to Him, which is why He Chose to go to the extreme that He did, so that we can live. We may not be deserving of it, but He still made the investment in you and God doesn't make bad investments.

Now I know, that we're not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought to, and that's easy, because we would die without our Lord and Savior. But to understand just what we are to Him in Christ, is awe inspiring. It makes me want to stand up and receive what He has in store for me, and try to do good and pay attention. Remain teachable. And continue to praise Him in patience...while I read some more, lol. :yes

 

[eddif]

How about I do a bad post?
In post #20 I left out a verse or two.
I did put in.
Acts 8:34 KJV
And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
And left off
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Verse 32 is what it is about.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth.

We could install ourselves and quote Job's friends wrong statement about ( man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward ). God had a positive plan for man, but he fell.

Although we can put ourselves in a passage, most of the time it is about Jesus.

I think this is what is happening in Psalms 104:1-2
Jesus puts on the light and not us.

We tend toward us, us, us, but our message should be Him, Him, Him.

I tend to agree with Free in most of what he says about light needing scripture reference. Psalms 104 IMHO is not one of them.

Adam and Eve did not manifest anything but a living person.

Your turn

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[Edward]

How about I do a bad post?
In post #20 I left out a verse or two.
I did put in.
Acts 8:34 KJV
And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
And left off
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Verse 32 is what it is about.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth.

We could install ourselves and quote Job's friends wrong statement about ( man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward ). God had a positive plan for man, but he fell.

Although we can put ourselves in a passage, most of the time it is about Jesus.

I think this is what is happening in Psalms 104:1-2
Jesus puts on the light and not us.

We tend toward us, us, us, but our message should be Him, Him, Him.

I tend to agree with Free in most of what he says about light needing scripture reference. Psalms 104 IMHO is not one of them.

Adam and Eve did not manifest anything but a living person.

Your turn

eddif

Ok. Scrtiptures, more scriptures. They have to be there. Here's one.

Isaiah 60:1-3
Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.

2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.../(KJV)

/It is here promised that the gospel temple shall be very lightsome and very large.

I. It shall be very lightsome: Thy light has come. When the Jews returned out of captivity they had light and gladness, and joy and honour; they then were made to know the Lord and to rejoice in his great goodness; and upon both accounts their light came. When the Redeemer came to Zion he brought light with him, he himself came to be a light. Now observe, 1. What this light is, and whence it springs: The Lord shall arise upon thee (Isa. 60:2), the glory of the Lord (Isa. 60:1) shall be seen upon thee. God is the father and fountain of lights, and it is in his light that we shall see light. As far as we have the knowledge of God in us, and the favour of God towards us, our light has come. When God appears to us, and we have the comfort of his favour, then the glory of the Lord rises upon us as the morning light; when he appears for us, and we have the credit of his favour, when he shows us some token for good and proclaims his favour to us, then his glory is seen upon us, as it was upon Israel in the pillar of cloud and fire. When Christ arose as the sun of righteousness, and in him the day-spring from on high visited us, then the glory of the Lord was seen upon us, the glory as of the first-begotten of the Father. 2. What a foil there shall be to this light: Darkness shall cover the earth; but, though it be gross darkness, darkness that might be felt, like that of Egypt, that shall overspread the people, yet the church, like Goshen, shall have light at the same time. When the case of the nations that have not the gospel shall be very melancholy, those dark corners of the earth being full of the habitations of cruelty to poor souls, the state of the church shall be very pleasant. 3. What is the duty which the rising of this light calls for: “Arise, shine; not only receive this light, and” (as the margin reads it) “be enlightened by it, but reflect this light; arise and shine with rays borrowed from it.” The children of light ought to shine as lights in the world. If God’s glory be seen upon us to our honour, we ought not only with our lips, but in our lives, to return the praise of it to his honour,.../Matthew Henry

And there's Matthew 5:16
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.../(KJV)

And Philippians 2:16
15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;...(KJV)

Eh? Your turn, lol...

 

[Edward]

James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.../

Father of Lights? So there's sons of Light, right? You wouldn't think He was talking about the stars here...:wink

 

[Free]

James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.../

Father of Lights? So there's sons of Light, right? You wouldn't think He was talking about the stars here...:wink

It's the heavenly bodies--note the contrast with shadow. Don't go reading into the text something that isn't there.

 

[Edward]

1 John 4:17
Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.../

He talking to believers here. Now the Light's beginning to dawn...

 

[Edward]

It's the heavenly bodies--note the contrast with shadow. Don't go reading into the text something that isn't there.

You sure?

 

[Free]

If it's not in the bible then you don't believe in it. That's ok brother. However your belilef system is, I'm good with that. Personally, I believe that there's more truth than what's in the bible.

The Bible is all the Christian needs for doctrine, for salvation, and for living a godly life.

Even scripture says that if everything that Jesus said and did were written down that it'd fill the world with books.

But they weren't written down and that doesn't provide justification to make the Bible say something it does not.

I'm not going to go all out trying to prove any of this to you. You already don't want to believe it, and that's fine too. To each his own.

You do realize that this is worldly, post-modern, relativistic thinking, yes? The Bible says what it does and we need to be very careful to not make it say more than it does nor less than it does. It's not that I don't want to believe it, it's that it is all so far mere conjecture based on proof-texting; there simply is no reason to believe it.

That you think it's some sort of offense is a little weird. That we are spiritual beings, and are to live for the spirit and be led of the Spirit is something that I'm interested in and so I'm working it out. That is supported scripturally, so if that's not something that you're interested in...uh, what can I say? I meant no offense to you, I don't know what offense it could possibly be? I've not said anything that contradicts scripture so I'm really at a loss to understand your discrepancy with it.

You are changing what my point was. I never denied anything about us being spiritual beings (partly true) or that we "are to live for the spirit and be led of the Spirit," because I never even addressed those points. The main points of disagreement are that you claim our spirits were on the outside of us before the Fall and now they are on the inside and that "Scientists are now pretty sure that Blood is made out of congealed light" (for which I have twice asked for sources and not received anything).

And it was pretty clear that the offense is against the Bible, not me. It matters not only whether or not someone's teachings contradict the Bible, but also whether they go beyond what Scripture says or not far enough in what Scripture says.

 

[Free]

You sure?

It is most likely what James is meaning, although he could be including all light ever created.

 

[eddif]

Psalms 150:6 KJV
Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

Psalms 148:1-14 KJV
3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

The moon gives no light but what the sun gives it.
Jesus does nothing but what the Father does.

The trees breathe in carbon dioxide and give off oxygen.
Jesus took our sins in his body and gave redemption.

The stars sing (frequencies from stars)
David sang praises.

The Father of lights. People stars
Psalms 148:1-14

Our instructions from Jesus were contained in the great commission.
Repentance
Believe in Jesus
Baptism in Holy Spirit

What is our garden?

Romans 1:19-20
Bible says learn from creation.

I am sure not against learning.

Mississippi folks need all the book larning they can git.
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[eddif]

The Bible is all the Christian needs for doctrine, for salvation, and for living a godly life.

Scripture reference please. LOL

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[eddif]

II Timothy 3:15 KJV
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The word made flesh bore our sins. Scriptures lead us to Christ.

Matthew 3:11 KJV
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

I sure use the Bible. Maybe I have a lot of Pentecostal leanings, but I generally get the left foot when I open my mouth.

Most every group needs everyone else. The letters to the churches give us a lot of wisdom.

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[Edward]

It is most likely what James is meaning, although he could be including all light ever created.

Brother...are we or are we not called to be the light of the world?

 

[Edward]

The Bible is all the Christian needs for doctrine, for salvation, and for living a godly life.


But they weren't written down and that doesn't provide justification to make the Bible say something it does not.


You do realize that this is worldly, post-modern, relativistic thinking, yes? The Bible says what it does and we need to be very careful to not make it say more than it does nor less than it does. It's not that I don't want to believe it, it's that it is all so far mere conjecture based on proof-texting; there simply is no reason to believe it.


You are changing what my point was. I never denied anything about us being spiritual beings (partly true) or that we "are to live for the spirit and be led of the Spirit," because I never even addressed those points. The main points of disagreement are that you claim our spirits were on the outside of us before the Fall and now they are on the inside and that "Scientists are now pretty sure that Blood is made out of congealed light" (for which I have twice asked for sources and not received anything).

And it was pretty clear that the offense is against the Bible, not me. It matters not only whether or not someone's teachings contradict the Bible, but also whether they go beyond what Scripture says or not far enough in what Scripture says.

Oh, you don't believe that Adam & Eve were clothed in light? Ok, then tell me this...in Genesis 3, after they ate the fruit and realized afterward that they were naked. This im[plies that they were not before. They became naked because of the fall.

They were created in Gods image and likeness. No exceptions listed, just in Gods image and likeness. In Psalm 104 we see that God is clothed with light. All through scripture we see that when someone from heaven visits someone on earth, they're always shining and glowing, it says so...so do you think that God would not cloth His new creation, and give them a garment?

Why did God kill an animal and make a covering for them after they fell? Assuming that they were not glowing before and had no covering, why did they need one then? Because they lost their covering, it was pushed inside of them!

That scientists think that blood is congealed light is all over the net. You can google that. I got 351,000 results so, this isn't something that I made up, it's out there. Do a search for it and take your pick, there's links to science places and links to Christian places, take your pick Brother.

 

[Edward]

If ...as He is, so are we in this world is true, like it says in 1 John, then it stands to reason that they were clothed in light as God is, before the fall. They weren't naked before the fall, they were clothed in light. We lost a lot more than people realize in the fall. We lost the Majesty of God, we lost our intimate relationship with God and no longer could we walk and talk with God in the Garden, we had to go through a preist...and much more.

But when Jesus came, He changed it all, paid the penalty for our sins thereby essentially inviting us back into the Garden, and relationship with Him...and we're called to be the light of the world. Let your light shine before men...the hints are all over scripture!

We have such a huge capacity of power within us as spiritual beings. In scripture, Jesus gave us dominion over the whole earth. Anything that Jesus could do, we will do, it says so. It also says that my people perish for a lack of knowledge...that's why their deception is so very important, if we knew who and what we are in Christ, then we couldn't be controlled. Jesus walked on water, controlled the weather and seas, healed people, and it says that if we were to say to a mountain, go plant yourself in the sea that it would.

People sit around waiting on God to come. I believe that God is waiting on us to come to Him. Why would we ask Him to step down into a fractured world to visit us? Why not step up into what will be ours (is ours!) into the spiritual realm? We ask for things that He has already given us, but wont step up to the plate spiritually and receive what is already ours. That doesn't make sense. Sometimes I think that there's more unbelief in the church, than there is in unbelievers!

It says in scripture, that we are to become as little children, or we will never enter into the Kingdom of God. Are we as little children right now? I think not. We are spiritually embryonic until we embrace who we are, and let our spirit out, to assume the preeminent position in us. Look upon the world through your spirit and not through your soul or flesh. If we can do this, then...we're clueless light beings standing there not knowing what to do, as in...as a little child.

I know that's reaching, but it could just be true. I think it is. It makes sense.

 

[Edward]

You are changing what my point was. I never denied anything about us being spiritual beings (partly true) or that we "are to live for the spirit and be led of the Spirit," because I never even addressed those points. The main points of disagreement are that you claim our spirits were on the outside of us before the Fall and now they are on the inside and that "Scientists are now pretty sure that Blood is made out of congealed light" (for which I have twice asked for sources and not received anything).

Fair enough.
Partly true? Can you explain that, please? I thought either it's true or it isn't.

Here's a few sources for you.
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=is+blood+congealed+light?

 

[Edward]

It is most likely what James is meaning, although he could be including all light ever created.

I did a word study on light in that verse in the Blue Letter Bible, and it does say stars in one place, but it also says so much more, that does include man, which does emit light at least at times. You should go concordance that out for yourself because it shines a lot of light on the subject, lol.

 

[Edward]

II Timothy 3:15 KJV
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The word made flesh bore our sins. Scriptures lead us to Christ.

Matthew 3:11 KJV
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

I sure use the Bible. Maybe I have a lot of Pentecostal leanings, but I generally get the left foot when I open my mouth.

Most every group needs everyone else. The letters to the churches give us a lot of wisdom.

eddif

They sure do, Brother. The evidence is scattered all throughout scripture. I'm not adding to scripture, I'm understanding how it all fits together, the big picture it paints. In Matthew there, it says He will baptize us with fire...What's that mean? Fire consumes. Or does it? Moses saw the burning bush and it was not consumed. So perhaps spiritual fire does not consume? Because the bush was not consumed.
It also says that our works will be tried by fire? It might be consumed or might not be consumed is how it reads...what's that mean? There's an implication there that I just can't put my finger on.

Live In the Spirit. Exercise your prayer language daily, meditate, show love to others and obey what the Spirit is saying to you. You must Believe. This will release Spirit, Light, Energy at the sub-atomic level to manifest in your being. Then we can worship in spirit and in truth?