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We are NOT in the End Times

spartakis said:
Actually I have looked and studied all views. I believe what I believe you believe what you believe. You can call me wrong all you want. One of my biggest beliefs is Christians should spend more time working together to try and spread the gospel instead of bickering about who is right and who is wrong on things like this. I guess that's what I get when I hit the internet:lol
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This is a debate forum Spartakis.
 
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Hitch said:
That phrase is associated with apostate Israel . Israel was in the 'wife' position and commited adultery when she cried 'We have no King but Caesar.
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That would be Israel was faithless. Not adulterous. You're mixing up two different things. Adultery is a sin. Faithless means Israel turned away from the LORD and did not keep his commandments. Besides that, the 'phrase' is a prophecy. Jesus left it open. He didn't say his generation. He said a generation would seek a sign; an evil and adulterous generation. No sign shall be given it.

Your generation did not commit the regicde which is the stated reason for the historical judgment.
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Huh? Since when? Are you talking about the fact Jesus was crucified? Do you think that is the reason for the historical judgment? Whatever that means.

I agree we are at a low ebb morally but we are not even close to Sodom or even first century Rome in depravity
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I don't think I would describe 1st century Rome as being adulterous, but my generation is. It was many things; many ways to describe it. But I wouldn't call it adulterous.
 
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Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
 
MarkT said:
That would be Israel was faithless. Not adulterous. You're mixing up two different things. Adultery is a sin. Faithless means Israel forgot the LORD and did not keep the commandments. Besides that, the 'phrase' is a prophecy. Jesus left it open. He didn't say his generation. He said a generation would seek a sign; an evil and adulterous generation. No sign shall be given it.
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Matthew 12:39
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Actually this is explained ,by a very good teacher, to be a metaphor of the resurrection, christians believe this event took place roughly 2,000 years ago.
Huh? Since when? Are you talking about the fact Jesus was crucified? Do you think that is the reason for the historical judgment? Whatever that means.
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I suggest a review of


33Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: 34And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
39And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
40When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.



And on to chapters 23 and 24. It is not possible today to murder Christ , that was only possible while He lived on earth.
I don't think I would describe 1st century Rome as being adulterous, but my generation is. It was many things; many ways to describe it. But I wouldn't call it adulterous.
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It is Jerusalem that is so described.
 
reba said:
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
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Pretty basic eh?
 
reba said:
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
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That's called imagery.
 
Hitch said:
Matthew 12:39
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Actually this is explained ,by a very good teacher, to be a metaphor of the resurrection, christians believe this event took place roughly 2,000 years ago. I suggest a review of
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First, the words Jesus gave us were at times what was and at other times what will be. When he said, 'an evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign', he was telling us what he saw the generation doing 2000 years before they were even born. He was seeing and describing the generation doing it 2000 years into the future. He saw the spirit of adultery in men and he rightly called the generation an evil and adulterous generation.

As far as the sign goes, I agree Jesus was speaking of his burial and resurrection.
 
MarkT said:
First, the words Jesus gave us were at times what was and at other times what will be. When he said, 'an evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign', he was telling us what he saw the generation doing 2000 years before they were even born. He was seeing and describing the generation doing it 2000 years into the future. He saw the spirit of adultery in men and he rightly called the generation an evil and adulterous generation.

As far as the sign goes, I agree Jesus was speaking of his burial and resurrection.
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LOL@MarkT
 
Hitch said:
Really?and all this time I thought God and Israel were married down at the court house just like Fred and Ethel.
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So what's your point? Israel was faithless since Moses, and here we are 2000 years after Jesus, and you still think Jesus was talking about Israel when he said an evil and adulterous generation? He didn't say Israel. He said a generation; a generation of men. And adultery when describing a generation of men refers to the doings of those men.
 
MarkT said:
First, the words Jesus gave us were at times what was and at other times what will be. When he said, 'an evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign', he was telling us what he saw the generation doing 2000 years before they were even born. He was seeing and describing the generation doing it 2000 years into the future. He saw the spirit of adultery in men and he rightly called the generation an evil and adulterous generation.
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Matthew 12:39
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:


What's up Mark? I just cant buy that you're really this dense, you're playing some game.
As far as the sign goes, I agree Jesus was speaking of his burial and resurrection.
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And as He said that was the sign given to the adulterous generation, as quoted above.
 
Hitch said:
LOL@MarkT
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Do you believe in prophecy Hitch? That's not all. My generation has the A bomb; nuclear weapons. Not since 1945has it been possible to make the earth a desolation. So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place ... That's what Jesus said we should know. It's not just for the men who heard him that day.
 
MarkT said:
Do you believe in prophecy Hitch? That's not all. My generation has the A bomb; nuclear weapons. Not since 1945has it been possible to make the earth a desolation. So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place ... That's what Jesus said we should know. It's not just for the men who heard him that day.
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This is some Psyche101 prank right?
 
Hitch said:
Matthew 12:39
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:


What's up Mark? I just cant buy that you're really this dense, you're playing some game.And as He said that was the sign given to the adulterous generation, as quoted above.
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Don't ask Hitch. I'm looking at your work. So far you haven't made any point.
 
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