We are NOT in the End Times

[reba]

Play nice . Moderator!

 

[MarkT]

Matthew 12:39
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:


What's up Mark? I just cant buy that you're really this dense, you're playing some game.And as He said that was the sign given to the adulterous generation, as quoted above.

You don't call a generation adulterous unless it has the spirit of adultery. There never was such a thing before. Even the Jews kept the law. But today adultery is common. There's no law against it.

You might think Jesus was talking about the men who asked him for a sign alone, but he was not. Not if you have eyes to see. By the way, were you given the sign and do you believe?

 

[jasoncran]

I guess only he knows. Trust me I agree with the temple. But I would assume we both could agree that neither of us know for sure on everything. I was told by a teacher once when we get to Heaven we will find out there was times when he was wrong and my Pastor was right, there will be times when he was right and my Pastor was wrong, there was times when I was right and he was wrong but mostly we will find out God was shaking his head at all 3 of us cause we all had it wrong.

now then if you agree with the temple then the entire idea of aod like the one in the days of the antiochus ephineses IV isnt going to happen again.it doenst make sense.

its not about us but about him. we as hitch said cant know the time. why would jesus say its nor for you( the apostles) to know the times or the seasons of the kingdom restoration to isreal and then give them such an easy to understand vision of such events?

makes no sense. i do believe god will restore isreal as hever denied that. but just when and how isnt told to us.

 

[spartakis]

now then if you agree with the temple then the entire idea of aod like the one in the days of the antiochus ephineses IV isnt going to happen again.it doenst make sense.

its not about us but about him. we as hitch said cant know the time. why would jesus say its nor for you( the apostles) to know the times or the seasons of the kingdom restoration to isreal and then give them such an easy to understand vision of such events?

makes no sense. i do believe god will restore isreal as hever denied that. but just when and how isnt told to us.

I have said multiple times no one will know the time, day or hours. Why have signs and prophecy in the Bible if we are not to study it and watch for the signs. The fact is he does give them sign of the last days. The fact is there are prophecy of the last days in the Bible. I am not claiming to understand it all or know when. But I believe what I believe from studying prophecy. Have another prophecy elective coming up in F.B.I. in may and cant wait. Everything in the Bible is relevant to study. And you ask why I put down Genesis 4. Well the Bible speaks of the last days being as the days of Noah, but since some might not of read into that I removed it, should have left it, but didnt want to confuse anybody. But like I said before I am more interested in spreading the Gospel then studying prophecy.

 

[reba]

its not about us but about him.

That is a big AMEN Jason. Sadly most folks want so much to be important, we forget it is about Him.

 

[jasoncran]

there were no signs when the flood came.

when you take it in context, the signs for the most part the destruction of isrea

theres a verse where jesus tell annias the high priest," ye shall see me coming in the clouds.."

so that cant be the second coming to judge the entire earth.

and the signs were for that judgement. context is everything. the church has been dealing with decievers since the apostles.they thought they were in the last days.

what you see as the rapture i see as the ressurection of the saints.

 

[jasoncran]

those signs have been going for some time. i know these things. my church teaches pre-trib escatology.

they say earthquakes and wars are on the increase since this generation.

ok earthquakes. we can easily debunk that., wars? name the wars since isreals foundation in 1948 and compare to prior. i havent looked into that but we may find its not that much different.

my church elders seem to think america must go south on christ ere the lords return.

where is that in the bible? i teach my family that is wrong america isnt in the bible!i havent told them what to believe on this stuff, just at least read the bible for yourself when i say what i say and they say what they say and only believe which is the closest supported by the word of god.

 

[reba]

There is nothing in the history of mankind as important as the Cross of Christ. For years the dispensational teaching has pushed the Cross into the back ground. :ie claiming there would have been no need of the Cross had the Jewish folks of the day accepted Jesus and His kingdom. Forgetting He was slain from the foundation of the world

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Temple life had been the way of God's people for a few thousands years its ending and the new beginning are of utmost importance. The Cross was from the beginning... The Blood of the Lamb ,the Cross, and a part of the Cross was the ending of Temple life. Temple life ended in 70 ad. Something of that magnitude something that big IMO was foretold.

Jesus says 15 times this generation. The adultery was against God, not against people. As Jason said it is about Him.

 

[MarkT]

I have said multiple times no one will know the time, day or hours. Why have signs and prophecy in the Bible if we are not to study it and watch for the signs. The fact is he does give them sign of the last days. The fact is there are prophecy of the last days in the Bible. I am not claiming to understand it all or know when. But I believe what I believe from studying prophecy. Have another prophecy elective coming up in F.B.I. in may and cant wait. Everything in the Bible is relevant to study. And you ask why I put down Genesis 4. Well the Bible speaks of the last days being as the days of Noah, but since some might not of read into that I removed it, should have left it, but didnt want to confuse anybody. But like I said before I am more interested in spreading the Gospel then studying prophecy.

That's right. Jesus said things like 'from the fig tree you will know' and 'when you see'. Yet there are some who don't know and don't want anyone else to know. Scoffers will come.

 

[jasoncran]

i dont recall that in the church. the cross is the whole reason god choose to use the jews!

man if you dont see that in the tanach, you aint a christian.

even today the jews see that the third temple will allow gentiles to worship god and also that this temple shall not be destroyed. they also believe that the law will change when the messiah comes.

hmm. they didnt accept our Lord because he didnt meet there(pharisees) requirement of a jewish free state. he didnt at the time come to do to that, but i do find it interesting that schofield and darby and those dispys of today often say what the jews say about hamashiac ben david for the most part.

i know, i was reminded clearly when we laid grandma to rest as all jews have this on their graves

son or daughter of jacob(isreal) in hebrew. this is done so that the family is reminded that one day that the messiah will raise them all up in the land of isreal to be ruled by him in the messianic age.

death to them is a mitzvah a passage of rites. if only we look at death that way! i do.

 

[reba]

You don't call a generation adulterous unless it has the spirit of adultery. There never was such a thing before. Even the Jews kept the law. But today adultery is common. There's no law against it.

You might think Jesus was talking about the men who asked him for a sign alone, but he was not. Not if you have eyes to see. By the way, were you given the sign and do you believe?

Even the Jews kept the law

They did?

 

[jasoncran]

man read the word and let it speak the LAW didnt and wasnt meant to bring forth righteouness. its sole purpose was to show you what sin was and that you if you did sin then needed to go to the priest for forgiveness. in a nut shell of course.

there more to the torah then this stuff. i wont derail this thread on the torah.

david murdered and was confronted by Nathan. Nathan was lead by God to tell him what a sinner he was and when david repented God spared him.

 

[MarkT]

They did?

They didn't show any mercy or forgiveness. But yeah. They were pretty strict about it. Sorta like Islam today. Interesting isn't it? If you read the prophet Daniel, the antiChrist returns to take action against the holy convenant. "He shall turn back and give heed to those who forsake the holy covenant."

 

[MarkT]

There is nothing in the history of mankind as important as the Cross of Christ. For years the dispensational teaching has pushed the Cross into the back ground. :ie claiming there would have been no need of the Cross had the Jewish folks of the day accepted Jesus and His kingdom. Forgetting He was slain from the foundation of the world

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Temple life had been the way of God's people for a few thousands years its ending and the new beginning are of utmost importance. The Cross was from the beginning... The Blood of the Lamb ,the Cross, and a part of the Cross was the ending of Temple life. Temple life ended in 70 ad. Something of that magnitude something that big IMO was foretold.

Jesus says 15 times this generation. The adultery was against God, not against people. As Jason said it is about Him.

When evil and adulterous are used as adjectives, imagery is not being used. It makes no sense to look at the imagery in Jeremiah and then make everything imagery. Then when Jesus says adulterous, he doesn't really mean adulterous. Evil doesn't mean evil. Generation doesn't mean generation. You can not take generation to mean Israel. You can not take evil to mean apostate as Hitch does.

You can make the Bible say anything you want.

 

[jasoncran]

so the jews didnt commit adultery with the romans?

they didnt kill christians?

matthew 24 speaks of the return of isreal and not the judgment?

 

[reba]

They didn't show any mercy or forgiveness. But yeah. They were pretty strict about it. Sorta like Islam today. Interesting isn't it? If you read the prophet Daniel, the antiChrist returns to take action against the holy convenant. "He shall turn back and give heed to those who forsake the holy covenant."

Where do you find antichrist in Daniel?

Those folks did not keep the law..... Over and over they are sent into exile. I am lost to understand the where, why, and how, you believe they kept the law.

 

[jasoncran]

this is what i learned from chanukah, reba, that part there he quotes is in and can be only in direct reference to the man antiochus epiphines iv and also the roman general and also the person who also did that in ad 70.

its all recorded.for the record im not saying all of revalation is fulfilled.

if you are interested i will post the chanukah miracle story and back drop.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Where do you find antichrist in Daniel?

I'm just happening through on this Saturday afternoon when I should be outside working, lol...

I think this is considered an anti-christ reference in Daniel:

"...when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. 24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. 25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power." (Daniel 8:23-25 NIV1984)

 

[MarkT]

so the jews didnt commit adultery with the romans?

they didnt kill christians?

matthew 24 speaks of the return of isreal and not the judgment?

No. The Jews didn't commit adultery with the Romans. Where do you people get these ideas? From the scholars. HaHa.

Matthew 24, Jesus tells us the buildings of the temple will be thrown down and then he tells us there will be signs that we should be aware of before his coming and the close of the age.

Where does Jesus say anything about the return of Israel?

 

[MarkT]

Where do you find antichrist in Daniel?

Those folks did not keep the law..... Over and over they are sent into exile. I am lost to understand the where, why, and how, you believe they kept the law.

The commandment is you shall not commit adultery. Remember they were going to stone the woman who committed adultery. Of course they did not keep the law God's way, but it was still the law. They even accused Jesus and his disciples of eating with unwashed hands and doing work on the Sabbath.

If you're looking for an adulterous generation, look no further than the baby boomers. There's no law against adultery. And what did Jesus say about adultery? Whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Mt. 5:32 How many people get married and divorce and remarry? And every who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery. How can a man live in this generation and not lust when you see what the people allow. I can understand how Lot was vexed in his righteous soul day after day with their lawless deeds.