Bible Study WELCOME TO AN IN DEPTH STUDY OF MATTHEW'S GOSPEL.

[reba]

makes me think of King Davids Tabernacle..

 

[jasonc]

makes me think of King Davids Tabernacle..

how? the opened one you seem to like? that is in reference to the lineage not the home. even the Chassidic jews see that. but yes outside of the other usage for to dwell or home as in house I can see why you like that. Abraham is very much a type of jesus if one understands jewish/Arabic hospitality. ie guest are more important then family.

 

[reba]

After the couple had undergone - Mikveh hwqm (immersion) , each separately, they would appear together under the Huppah - or canopy - and in public they would express their intention of becoming betrothed or engaged

In Davids tabernacle or canopy the people could see the arc the promise

Communion is so there...

me and my quirks

 

[jasonc]

After the couple had undergone - Mikveh hwqm (immersion) , each separately, they would appear together under the Huppah - or canopy - and in public they would express their intention of becoming betrothed or engaged

In Davids tabernacle or canopy the people could see the arc the promise

Communion is so there...

me and my quirks

the chuppa and canopy are interchangeable. when I got the pic I posted of my grandpa harry(miss ya old stubborn soldier)It was during the mentioning of who was how and that grandpa was under the canopy. the canopy here has not that one. the tabernacle of moses in Shiloh was square and never opened. it had a veil. when we go to exodus. you will see that .

 

[reba]

yup i know that is why i have this thing about Davids tabernacle...

Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: God's Church is glorious not a failure ...

Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

 

[reba]

jasonc you are getting me off topic

 

[jasonc]

jasonc you are getting me off topic

how is the very temple of GOD that died for us off topic?

 

[reba]

cus we are at the very first of Matt... :tongue

 

[jasonc]

cus we are at the very first of Matt... :tongue

and we are discussing the Hebrew marriage right, which has the chuppa and under that the love and intention is declared. and what does the chuppa really mean? j-e-s-u-s.

 

[reba]

great

 

[Angel]

Joseph was most likely, as others raised to be right with Yhvh, trained since birth not only not to lust after a woman, but also not to lust after his own wife, even when married. (in the untied states, there is a perversion taught or accepted that a man may lust after his own wife and that that's okay).

I disagree with his statement. It is very well to feel desire for your spouse. Any married woman would agree that her husband wanting to be intimate with her is a good thing. Id rather my husband desire me over any other woman.

 

[Deborah13]

I'd just like to add two things. In Chopper's first post about the blood he quoted someone who said "a fetus produces their own blood" and that is a fact. A fetus does not have blood until around the 3-4 wks of development. Before that he/she has stem cells that will develop into blood. At about 5wks their immature elongated heart begins to beat.
A fetus does not get blood from the mother or the father.
The fetus gets DNA from both parents. And like TOG pointed out 23 chromosomes.
Down Syndrome children have an extra chromosome.

Where does that leave us with Jesus? I don't know. It's a miracle.

 

[Deborah13]

yup i know that is why i have this thing about Davids tabernacle...

Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: God's Church is glorious not a failure ...

Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

 

[follower]

I disagree with his statement. It is very well to feel desire for your spouse. Any married woman would agree that her husband wanting to be intimate with her is a good thing. Id rather my husband desire me over any other woman.

your husband should not even look at another woman !

desire is not that same as lust. the husband and wive should desire each other, as Scripture says.

there is 'lust' that is ungodly, fleshly or worse, and could be instead of and overcomes the good and right feelings and 'right ruling' in man. that(evil passion and lust) is what is Scripture says not to have, and what Joseph would have been taught righteously.

 

[Chopper]

I'd just like to add two things. In Chopper's first post about the blood he quoted someone who said "a fetus produces their own blood" and that is a fact. A fetus does not have blood until around the 3-4 wks of development. Before that he/she has stem cells that will develop into blood. At about 5wks their immature elongated heart begins to beat.
A fetus does not get blood from the mother or the father.
The fetus gets DNA from both parents. And like TOG pointed out 23 chromosomes.
Down Syndrome children have an extra chromosome.

Where does that leave us with Jesus? I don't know. It's a miracle.

My dear Deb, I wish I could explain the conception of Jesus in a way that you can see what I feel is the truth of this miracle. The reason that I want you to completely understand these facts about the conception of Jesus is that this information can be used to confound all the cults that come knocking at your door. I have actually done that on several occasions with J.W.s and Mormon's.

The embryo that the Holy Spirit miraculously placed in Mary's womb come from God all mighty. The source of that embryo was God the Father! You have truly stated that the blood is manufactured, can't think of a better word, in that fetus. BUT the fetus is ALL GOD. So, all God has been placed in a woman to produce the God/Man Jesus the Christ. It is a scientific fact that the blood in any child can be traced to the father, not the mother. Therefore, the Blood in Jesus' Body was the Father God because the embryo came from Him, not a human father.

The cults do not believe that the Christ was and is God. They believe that the blood in Jesus' body was human. I tell them that human blood cannot be used as a propitiation for their sins, God no longer accepts the blood of animals or humans for the payment of sins.

I hope this helps you.

 

[Chopper]

Day 5 Thursday 9/18/14 Matthew 1:19-25 Continuation of the Text.

Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

V.20 As I record these matters concerning the miraculous conception of our blessed Lord Emmanuel, "God with us" I feel a holy urge in my hand as I document these Holy events. I love to feel the presence of the Holy Spirit when I am dwelling and praying about my Master. It is true, He will neither leave us or forsake us, and His Spirit makes that known on many occasions when the One we love with all our heart, mind, strength and soul, comes close.

Joseph has found out somehow that Mary is pregnant with a child not his own. Various suggestions as to how he found out have been offered. I prefer, that because of the love that these two chosen people had for each other, Mary told Joseph of the Holy Child that was in her womb.

Joseph is now faced with exceeding sorrow over the the possible loss of his beloved Mary due to his just standing before God, His Law, and the people who knew him. Joseph probably ceased his carpentry business and sought out a private closet somewhere so that he could weep and pray. That day must have been consumed with questions, frustration, and wonder. There was nothing that he could do to change this situation, he was helpless except to wait on the only One who could help him.

Upon retiring for the night, exhausted from the mental exercise, he slipped into a deep sleep. Gabriel, God's great Messenger from the realm of Glory answered the call of YHWH. "Go down Gabriel, go down to my faithful servant Joseph and sooth his troubled soul. Tell him not to fear." Said the Almighty to Gabriel, (my rich imagination).

Men in the Hebrew Scriptures longed for an angelic visitation to instruct them as which happened to Abraham and other chosen Patriarch's. So here is Joseph, a lowly carpenter being visited by God's mighty Gabriel telling him the truth of what has happened to the love of his life. Upon waking, his heart must have soared with the eagles that day. What he could not make any sense of, God, the God that will never leave him or forsake him, gave him new hope. Praise Jehovah must have been his outburst.

 

[Chopper]

Tomorrow's Study: Day 6 Friday 9/19/14 Matthew 1:19-15 Continuation of Verses.

 

[Deborah13]

My dear Deb, I wish I could explain the conception of Jesus in a way that you can see what I feel is the truth of this miracle. The reason that I want you to completely understand these facts about the conception of Jesus is that this information can be used to confound all the cults that come knocking at your door. I have actually done that on several occasions with J.W.s and Mormon's.

The embryo that the Holy Spirit miraculously placed in Mary's womb come from God all mighty. The source of that embryo was God the Father! You have truly stated that the blood is manufactured, can't think of a better word, in that fetus. BUT the fetus is ALL GOD. So, all God has been placed in a woman to produce the God/Man Jesus the Christ. It is a scientific fact that the blood in any child can be traced to the father, not the mother. Therefore, the Blood in Jesus' Body was the Father God because the embryo came from Him, not a human father.

The cults do not believe that the Christ was and is God. They believe that the blood in Jesus' body was human. I tell them that human blood cannot be used as a propitiation for their sins, God no longer accepts the blood of animals or humans for the payment of sins.

I hope this helps you.

This is not a place for debate of any sort so I will just attach this link for anyone who is confused about blood types.
http://www.pregnancy.org/article/babys-blood-type

 

[Chopper]

This is not a place for debate of any sort so I will just attach this link for anyone who is confused about blood types.
http://www.pregnancy.org/article/babys-blood-type

I was not under the impression that this is a debate. I read your "pregnancy.org" article, and from a human standpoint that is true, except we are talking about Spiritual matters.

I will leave you with your own thinking my dear, because if we go any further, it will constitute a debate. Anytime you want to go one on one, I'll be happy to oblige. Love you!

 

[Deborah13]

I was not under the impression that this is a debate. I read your "pregnancy.org" article, and from a human standpoint that is true, except we are talking about Spiritual matters.

I will leave you with your own thinking my dear, because if we go any further, it will constitute a debate. Anytime you want to go one on one, I'll be happy to oblige. Love you!

Love you, too Chopper. Hugs back at you.