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Bible Study WELCOME TO AN IN DEPTH STUDY OF MATTHEW'S GOSPEL.

I agree with both positions on this. I do wish that the Gospels told us more but then, still agreeing, if they did, Mary Worship would be more pronounced. As Chopper pointed out and I try, so often to point out, we are meant to live by faith, not fact.

One of the earliest sermons reached in my presence was taught by Richard Clark and was on believing as a small child. My children were grown then but I remembered that my Little People believed I had no sin in me and that everything I told them was fact. And I know how babies are made, been there, done that! And then we read Matthew 1 and Luke 2 and the natural man, the scoundrel tied on our backs is screaming, "No, no, no!" But if we have truly converted, we are indwelt with or by the Holy Spirit and the Spirit is telling that freak on our backs, "For Pete's sake, shut up and die."

By the time I was two years in the Church I had arrived at the point of total belief and now, ¡if the Bible says it, I believe it! And God, in His wisdom, has given us the unexplained truth, a mystery to the Lost Man and a bright, shinning, truth to the Saved Man.
 
God caused the barren Sarah to conceive by her natural husband.
God caused the barren Elizabeth to conceive by her natural husband.
God caused Mary to conceive by His power through the Holy Spirit.
God purposes, He thinks, He speaks, and it is so.
KJV
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
 
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Chopper said:
Day 7 Saturday 9/20/14 Matthew 1:22 & 23 God With Us.

It is an amazing fact to me that in the Hebrew Scriptures (O.T.) a Hebrew named Isaiah announced by prophesy just how to recognize who the Messiah would be, and the Nation of Israel for the most part reject it....that, I don't understand! Perhaps someone could expound on this without going off topic?

A true prophet, one who speaks about future events, must be 100% accurate all the time. Deuteronomy 13:5 says "And that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death." Speaking of a prophet who does not prophesy what the Lord says.

Immanuel which means, God with us, is always true, "Behold, I AM with you always, to the end of the age." The truth of this carries the true believer not only to the end of this age, but into the next, face to face! Oh praise His Holy Name!
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In thinking about a prophet I realized that when Isaiah prophesied about the Messiah it was hundreds of years before that event actually occurred. I wonder how many of the Israelites continued to believe when so much time had past. How many considered him to be a false prophet? Long before Isaiah, David prophesied about the suffering Messiah, how many remembered that and believed it?
 
Chopper said:
It is an amazing fact to me that in the Hebrew Scriptures (O.T.) a Hebrew named Isaiah announced by prophesy just how to recognize who the Messiah would be, and the Nation of Israel for the most part reject it....that, I don't understand! Perhaps someone could expound on this without going off topic?......
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Yhvh planned a temporary blindness on Israel, and
it's possible, from the sequence of Yhvh's Plan, that if the Nation of Israel had not rejected Yeshua as the Messiah, we would not have a "New Testament" written, nor "the Gospel of Matthew"; Even that you and i and everyone else here(except Jews by blood lineage) would not even have a 'christian' forum of any kind,
because the gentiles had no hope in the world - they had no salvation, no savior, no way to be righteous - (except by turning to serve the One True Yhvh, the Only True God, joining His people in the times past) -
God had not extended salvation to the gentile/(all pagan) nations.
then, in His Plan, the Jews 'stumbled', rejecting the Messiah Yeshua, (not all, but enough) so that >>


"Romans 11:11-24Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
11 “In that case, I say, isn’t it that they have stumbled with the result that they have permanently fallen away?” Heaven forbid! Quite the contrary, it is by means of their stumbling that the deliverance has come to the Gentiles, ..."
and in several other places in Scripture it is written how great a debt gentiles have to the Jews, and even now today are still "grafted in" as wild olive branches to a place where the "natural olive branches" were cut out, until the time (or fullness) of the gentiles is over.(soon, or already)
 
follower said:
Yhvh planned a temporary blindness on Israel, and
it's possible, from the sequence of Yhvh's Plan, that if the Nation of Israel had not rejected Yeshua as the Messiah, we would not have a "New Testament" written, nor "the Gospel of Matthew"; Even that you and i and everyone else here(except Jews by blood lineage) would not even have a 'christian' forum of any kind,
because the gentiles had no hope in the world - they had no salvation, no savior, no way to be righteous - (except by turning to serve the One True Yhvh, the Only True God, joining His people in the times past) -
God had not extended salvation to the gentile/(all pagan) nations.
then, in His Plan, the Jews 'stumbled', rejecting the Messiah Yeshua, (not all, but enough) so that >>


"Romans 11:11-24Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
11 “In that case, I say, isn’t it that they have stumbled with the result that they have permanently fallen away?” Heaven forbid! Quite the contrary, it is by means of their stumbling that the deliverance has come to the Gentiles, ..."
and in several other places in Scripture it is written how great a debt gentiles have to the Jews, and even now today are still "grafted in" as wild olive branches to a place where the "natural olive branches" were cut out, until the time (or fullness) of the gentiles is over.(soon, or already)
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Ok, so you are saying that the Jews were and still are blind to Isaiah's very clear message about the birth of Jesus thru a virgin and His Name would be Immanuel. Wow, that's blind!

I agree with what you posted, thank you....question, why do you write Yhvh instead of YHWH?
 
Chopper said:
Ok, so you are saying that the Jews were and still are blind to Isaiah's very clear message about the birth of Jesus thru a virgin and His Name would be Immanuel. Wow, that's blind!

I agree with what you posted, thank you....question, why do you write Yhvh instead of YHWH?
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i read that the w, like the j, is not in the original hebrew. no worries either way, i'm learning as i go forward looking to Abba in Yeshua HaMashiach with a single heart and soul and mind and eye on Him. (and spirit).

I don't have the Scripture at hand, but will get it , Yhvh Willing I am able, if someone wants. The Jews , according to Scripture (the Creator's Word and Plan for Salvation for Jews and gentiles alike), were temporarily blinded to Yhvh's clear message, many still today. Yes, blind is blind. It is Yhvh's doing (and He put what He wanted to in Scripture to tell all about this blindness).
And, perhaps more important is too many ways (note "too", not "to" - a log of many people in the news, on the internet, and so on, have forgotten the difference and use "to" when they mean "too"..... sigh... a small digression with small hope they will look it up!)....
many gentiles are still blind to the truth also - Matthew through Revelation may help them gain (or regain?) their sight, if they trust and rely on Yeshua.
the importance of this is recorded in Scripture in the warning for the grafted in gentiles not to be proud or boastful or hurtful to the Jews who were cut out(for a time); because the grafted in gentiles can be cut out even more easily than the original branches were cut out, and the original branches can more easily be grafted back in than the wild branches were (humanly speaking).
 
Chopper said:
Day 7 Saturday 9/20/14 Matthew 1:22 & 23 God With Us.

It is an amazing fact to me that in the Hebrew Scriptures (O.T.) a Hebrew named Isaiah announced by prophesy just how to recognize who the Messiah would be, and the Nation of Israel for the most part reject it....that, I don't understand! Perhaps someone could expound on this without going off topic?
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About 2000 years ago, Jesus was born in very humble conditions, grew up in relative obscurity for most of his life, in a small town, which people didn't think much of (see John 1:46), was popular for a time, but ended up being crucified like a common criminal.

Some time in the future - many believe very soon - Jesus will return. This time he won't be born in a stable and won't be treated like a criminal. He will come miraculously in the clouds and it will be obvious to all that he is the rightful king of the earth, and he will take his rightful place as king and rule the earth for a thousand years.

The first time he came as a servant. The second time he will come as a king. Both of these events are prophesied by the Hebrew prophets. But people failed to realize that he would be coming twice. Some people expected a servant messiah, while others expected the messiah to be a conquering king. Few realized that he would be both. Those who expected the suffering servant were able to recognize him, and many did. Those who were looking for a king or military hero couldn't believe that Jesus was the messiah. He just didn't fit what they were looking for.

The TOG​
 
In the N.T. , it is written that those who were immersed in Yeshua >>
Luke 7:29-31Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
29 All the people who heard him, even the tax-collectors, by undergoing Yochanan’s immersion acknowledged that God was right; 30 but the P’rushim and the Torah-teachers, by not letting themselves be immersed by him, nullified for themselves God’s plan.

..accepted Yeshua. those who were not immersed (those who had not repented of their sins), did not accept Yeshua.
but even the disciples did not realize Yeshua was 'the suffering servant' who must be 'crucified' (remember Peter rebelled at the very thought). later, they proved it in their preaching of the GOOD NEWS, they proved it from all the Torah and Psalms and Prophets (Yeshua is there, throughout the Torah).
 
follower said:
In the N.T. , it is written that those who were immersed in Yeshua >>
Luke 7:29-31Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
29 All the people who heard him, even the tax-collectors, by undergoing Yochanan’s immersion acknowledged that God was right; 30 but the P’rushim and the Torah-teachers, by not letting themselves be immersed by him, nullified for themselves God’s plan.

..accepted Yeshua. those who were not immersed (those who had not repented of their sins), did not accept Yeshua.
but even the disciples did not realize Yeshua was 'the suffering servant' who must be 'crucified' (remember Peter rebelled at the very thought). later, they proved it in their preaching of the GOOD NEWS, they proved it from all the Torah and Psalms and Prophets (Yeshua is there, throughout the Torah).
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I really like this post. The only thing I would say is that the repentance was not about their sin but they needed to repent (change their mind or recognize) Jesus as the promised Messiah. I see the proof of this in the conversion of Saul to Paul and also John the Baptists' parents. The word said that they were found to be righteous under the law.
Also in John 16:8.
 
Chopper said:
Day 3 Tuesday 9/16/14 Matthew 1:18 A pregnant Virgin??

It is interesting to me that in Mary, we have a holy, innocent woman chosen by the Almighty, all knowing God to be the vessel that would bring forth the Christ Child who would be loved by some yet despised by the world. Mary, because she was found with Child was loved by some yet considered a harlot by many.
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Could this be the first Christian persecution? What do you guys think?
Also, what happened to Jesus' Dad Joseph? I have always wondered that...
 
follower said:
he's learning hebrew - in hebrew the writing is backwards ! (right to left)
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You're mistaken. It's backward in English. Right to left is the natural way to read and write. For example, most people I know read the newspaper from back to front, flipping the pages in the same direction one would when reading Hebrew.

The TOG​
 
TOG said:
You're mistaken. It's backward in English. Right to left is the natural way to read and write. For example, most people I know read the newspaper from back to front, flipping the pages in the same direction one would when reading Hebrew.

The TOG​
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Mr. TOG. Would you please word your response different than a blunt "You're mistaken" because that invites a debate. Perhaps, "I see it different, or something like that which would be less blunt. Thank you my friend.
 
Angel said:
Could this be the first Christian persecution? What do you guys think?
Also, what happened to Jesus' Dad Joseph? I have always wondered that...
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believers weren't called "Christian" yet. (see Acts i think for when they were first called derisively 'Christian' - as if 'simpletons' or 'idiots' - the community thought they were )

Joseph went to sleep, at the time appointed by Yhvh the Creator.
 
Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

1. When we walk with the Lord
in the light of his word,
what a glory he sheds on our way!
While we do his good will,
he abides with us still,
and with all who will trust and obey.
Refrain:
Trust and obey, for there's no other way
to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.

2. Not a burden we bear,
not a sorrow we share,
but our toil he doth richly repay;
not a grief or a loss,
not a frown or a cross,
but is blest if we trust and obey.
(Refrain)

3. But we never can prove
the delights of his love
until all on the altar we lay;
for the favor he shows,
for the joy he bestows,
are for them who will trust and obey.
(Refrain)

4. Then in fellowship sweet
we will sit at his feet,
or we'll walk by his side in the way;
what he says we will do,
where he sends we will go;
never fear, only trust and obey.
(Refrain)
 
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