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Bible Study WELCOME TO AN IN DEPTH STUDY OF MATTHEW'S GOSPEL.

th1b.taylor said:
Chopper,
I wasn't sure this wasn't a wild goose chase until I found
and I'm interested in what everyone thinks.
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I haven't watched the whole video, but, based on what I have watched, I would think it's not very reliable, to say the least. Here are some of the problems I see with it:

  • He said you could only get a chromosome count from living white blood cells. That's not true. You can get a chromosome count from any cell, and it doesn't have to be alive, although the DNA will break down over time, so they would probably not be able to get much information from very old (hundreds or thousands of years) cells.
  • He took some blood to a place he only refers to as "such and such". Is there really a medical center in Israel called "Such and Such"? I doubt it.
  • He tells the people at the Such and Such Facility to "tell me what you can about" the blood. You don't go into a medical or research facility and tell them "tell me what you can about it". There are thousands of tests they could do, and you have to be specific about which tests you want done.
  • They say that the blood is human blood, but then say it only has 24 chromosomes. The number of chromosomes is one of the things that's used to determine what species blood is from, so if it only had 24 chromosomes, they would never have said it was human.
  • We don't just have 46 chromosomes, we have 23 pairs of chromosomes. All 23 pairs are needed for a normal body to develop in the womb, and for it to survive after birth. If there is even one chromosome missing, or if there is even one extra chromosome, then the baby will either be seriously deformed or, more likely, will die in before it's born.
  • And to top it all off, this is Ron Wyatt we're talking about. Pretty much everything he has ever claimed to have discovered has been proven to be false.

The TOG​
 
Chopper said:
I don't know what to think about this account Bill. The Ark of the covenant under the ground beneath where Jesus was crucified? I don't know about that. I believe the Ark is in God's abode.
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I, personally, have issue with it because Richard Clark of Mississippi was on the Field in Jerusalem when the Arabs were so upset about the Fundamental Jews were digging under the Dome on the Rock, in seach of the Holy of Holies. Richard said he heard that they had run into a wall at exactly the predetermined distance they had computed before the dig.

He told us that when he heard that, he also heard they were entering the room the next night by blasting into the room. I seem to recall that he said about two am or a little later men carried the Ark of the Covenant out on Golden carry poles to be stored with the, then, growing materials, precut and prefitted, for the reconstruction of the Temple when the Dome is destroyed. I find the story in the video exciting and a money generator but I tend to believe Richard before this gentleman. Richard has only told his friends and is not making any money from it.
 
TOG said:
I haven't watched the whole video, but, based on what I have watched, I would think it's not very reliable, to say the least. Here are some of the problems I see with it:

  • He said you could only get a chromosome count from living white blood cells. That's not true. You can get a chromosome count from any cell, and it doesn't have to be alive, although the DNA will break down over time, so they would probably not be able to get much information from very old (hundreds or thousands of years) cells.
  • He took some blood to a place he only refers to as "such and such". Is there really a medical center in Israel called "Such and Such"? I doubt it.
  • He tells the people at the Such and Such Facility to "tell me what you can about" the blood. You don't go into a medical or research facility and tell them "tell me what you can about it". There are thousands of tests they could do, and you have to be specific about which tests you want done.
  • They say that the blood is human blood, but then say it only has 24 chromosomes. The number of chromosomes is one of the things that's used to determine what species blood is from, so if it only had 24 chromosomes, they would never have said it was human.
  • We don't just have 46 chromosomes, we have 23 pairs of chromosomes. All 23 pairs are needed for a normal body to develop in the womb, and for it to survive after birth. If there is even one chromosome missing, or if there is even one extra chromosome, then the baby will either be seriously deformed or, more likely, will die in before it's born.
  • And to top it all off, this is Ron Wyatt we're talking about. Pretty much everything he has ever claimed to have discovered has been proven to be false.

The TOG​
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Solid input TOG. I posted the link because I could see where others searching for Chopper's reference will find this and I thought it needs disputing, up front.
 
Chopper said:
Hi there our wonderful Angel. Welcome to our study. Don't worry about keeping up because in a in-depth study, we go very slow so we can comment and study on biblical facts that we would ordinary skip over. Our learned jasonc, TOG and others like Bill will give us a lot of Hebrew facts as well as information which deals with each text. So, Reba and I want you to feel right at home. :hug
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Thank you!
 
Chopper said:
It is most interesting to me that Revelation 11:19 tells us where the Ark of the Covenant is.

Rev 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."
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Wow!!! I cant imagine experiencing that all at once!
 
Chopper said:
It is most interesting to me that Revelation 11:19 tells us where the Ark of the Covenant is.

Rev 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."
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perhaps, but look at the next verse(s) >> (i.e. there's more than just a literal place of the ark, I think)
Revelation 12 Expanded Bible (EXB)
The Woman and the Dragon
12 And then a great ·wonder [sign; portent; C symbolic descriptions of heavenly/spiritual realities] appeared in heaven: A woman was clothed with the sun, and the moon was under her feet [C indicating authority or victory; Gen. 37:9], and a crown [C a reward of victory] of twelve stars was on her head [C representing the twelve tribes of Israel; the woman is a symbol of the persecuted people of God]. 2 She was ·pregnant [L in the womb] and cried out with [L labor] pain, because she was about to give birth [C to the Messiah].
 
Just a few thoughts about Joseph from Matthew's first accounts of him. What a man of mystery. His roll in God's plan as a surrogate father to the Son of God and husband to Mary. This account and others, my impression is that he was steady. Steady is the word that best encompasses him to me. Other things too, but for his purpose, God chose someone who wasn't quick with his words or actions.

He thought about quietly breaking with his impregnated fiancé? He had in mind to do that? I have to say, the words would be fresh on her lips when things around me would be broken, and I'd be gone. I would be blameless, and she would sleep now the bed she made. How steady does a man need to be to not react, but have in mind, and have in mind to do it quietly? He had her welfare in his heart.

My thoughts are not original, but the manner of the man cannot be glossed over. We are instructed in other areas of scripture as father's and husbands to have this steadiness. Little is shared with us about him, but he is a roll model for any husband and father. Hard working, deliberate, and steady.
 
Day 4 Wednesday 9/17/14 Matthew 1:19-25 No Divorce.

Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Because of how important this account of Jesus' birth is, I'm going to stop with these 7 verses for an undetermined amount of time. As Reba has previously said, we are moving very slowly. She and I want to comment and study on these biblical facts and sort of look between the lines, so to speak, and bask in the holy light of God's Word and intended knowledge of just how our wonderful Savior Jesus the Christ came into our world as the God/Man to "save His people from their sins." I would like to consider these seven verses as one, so feel free to comment on any part of this Text. When we reach the point where Reba, you folk, and I feel that we have exhausted the meaning of these verses, we will continue with Chapter 2. At the end, I will summarize all that was posted. NO HURRY, this could take a Month to accomplish our goal, and God's goal for our instruction in His marvelous Word.

Joseph, according to Hebrew Law and customs, according to Scripture, was a "Just" man! Now, IMO, this is no ordinary run of the mill Hebrew. This is a man who God prepared from birth to having Mary to be his wife. The betrothal period was a legal bonding of Joseph and Mary, and could not be separated except by a legal divorce. During this period of engagement, no sexual contact between the two must happen.

Some writers have said that because this was a match made in Heaven. I believe that. Joseph loved Mary with an exceedingly Godly love. Now, we can't forget that God is overseeing His joining these two for marriage, He is not going to let anything happen to separate these two.

Sexual relations during this period before the marriage ceremony, was considered immoral. Sex with someone other that the engaged couple was considered adultery, and under the Mosaic Law carried the death penalty by stoning....Boy, talk about being between a rock and a hard place, Joseph had to maintain his righteousness yet because of his godly love for Mary, and to exercise mercy, like God would show mercy, he showed compassion to Mary even though it looked like she was an adulteress.

As I said before, feel free to comment any of these 7 verses.
 
Joseph is a beautiful picture of Christ...

Joseph had to maintain his righteousness yet because of his godly love for Mary, and to exercise mercy, like God would show mercy, he showed compassion to Mary even though it looked like she was an adulteress.
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I agree with Choppers words here and will add..
Joseph loved Mary before the angel talk to either one of them... He loved her in a human heart/physical way... My guess is he also lusted after her... Wanted her all to himself.. I can hear him talking to himself.... WHY WHY WHY .. I would have given her everything..She dishonered me disrespected our vows to each other... She did not believe in me I have shown her nothing but love... He had to over come those extremely strong human feelings.

Rev_21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Joseph was chosen to be the earthly dad every bit as much as Mary was chosen to be His earthly mommy. Seems i remember something about Hebrew men teaching their sons... Joseph was chosen to be a earthy example of manhood... a man willing to work with his hands... a builder.. ...
 
reba said:
Joseph is a beautiful picture of Christ...



I agree with Choppers words here and will add..
Joseph loved Mary before the angel talk to either one of them... He loved her in a human heart/physical way... My guess is he also lusted after her... Wanted her all to himself.. I can hear him talking to himself.... WHY WHY WHY .. I would have given her everything..She dishonered me disrespected our vows to each other... She did not believe in me I have shown her nothing but love... He had to over come those extremely strong human feelings.

Rev_21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Joseph was chosen to be the earthly dad every bit as much as Mary was chosen to be His earthly mommy. Seems i remember something about Hebrew men teaching their sons... Joseph was chosen to be a earthy example of manhood... a man willing to work with his hands... a builder.. ...
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:goodpost :agreed :sohappy
 
Joseph was most likely, as others raised to be right with Yhvh, trained since birth not only not to lust after a woman, but also not to lust after his own wife, even when married. (in the untied states, there is a perversion taught or accepted that a man may lust after his own wife and that that's okay). Also pertinent, Mary would not have dressed in a way that revealed any tempting flesh, not even a collar bone or neck in a sensuous way, nor ever a leg --- it is unbecoming for ecclesia to even talk about such things that the world does and revels in in darkness.
Joseph's training was , again most likely, very strict, very specific (in line with Torah), and all encompassing(included all of his life every day and every night - no part of his life at any time would have been considered 'free to do as he willed'(apart from Yhvh's purpose) as he belonged to and was literally the possession of Yhvh. (the hebrew language didn't even have words for a person to 'own' things - everything(including the body) belongs to Yhvh the Creator. this is seemingly completely lost in english and in the untied states.)
 
follower said:
Joseph was most likely, as others raised to be right with Yhvh, trained since birth not only not to lust after a woman, but also not to lust after his own wife, even when married. (in the untied states, there is a perversion taught or accepted that a man may lust after his own wife and that that's okay). Also pertinent, Mary would not have dressed in a way that revealed any tempting flesh, not even a collar bone or neck in a sensuous way, nor ever a leg --- it is unbecoming for ecclesia to even talk about such things that the world does and revels in in darkness.
Joseph's training was , again most likely, very strict, very specific (in line with Torah), and all encompassing(included all of his life every day and every night - no part of his life at any time would have been considered 'free to do as he willed'(apart from Yhvh's purpose) as he belonged to and was literally the possession of Yhvh. (the hebrew language didn't even have words for a person to 'own' things - everything(including the body) belongs to Yhvh the Creator. this is seemingly completely lost in english and in the untied states.)
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Boy! I guess God goofed when He had Song of Solomon written.
 
Willie T said:
Boy! I guess God goofed when He had Song of Solomon written.
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Willie, I know that you meant your reply as jest. But, follower was serious when he made his comment. I don't want anyone making fun of another's post. Just like you, I like to get silly at times, nothing wrong in that. I just want everyone to feel free to post their feelings. Most of what follower wrote I liked very much.
 
Chopper said:
Day 4 Wednesday 9/17/14 Matthew 1:19-25 No Divorce.

Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Because of how important this account of Jesus' birth is, I'm going to stop with these 7 verses for an undetermined amount of time. As Reba has previously said, we are moving very slowly. She and I want to comment and study on these biblical facts and sort of look between the lines, so to speak, and bask in the holy light of God's Word and intended knowledge of just how our wonderful Savior Jesus the Christ came into our world as the God/Man to "save His people from their sins." I would like to consider these seven verses as one, so feel free to comment on any part of this Text. When we reach the point where Reba, you folk, and I feel that we have exhausted the meaning of these verses, we will continue with Chapter 2. At the end, I will summarize all that was posted. NO HURRY, this could take a Month to accomplish our goal, and God's goal for our instruction in His marvelous Word.

Joseph, according to Hebrew Law and customs, according to Scripture, was a "Just" man! Now, IMO, this is no ordinary run of the mill Hebrew. This is a man who God prepared from birth to having Mary to be his wife. The betrothal period was a legal bonding of Joseph and Mary, and could not be separated except by a legal divorce. During this period of engagement, no sexual contact between the two must happen.

Some writers have said that because this was a match made in Heaven. I believe that. Joseph loved Mary with an exceedingly Godly love. Now, we can't forget that God is overseeing His joining these two for marriage, He is not going to let anything happen to separate these two.

Sexual relations during this period before the marriage ceremony, was considered immoral. Sex with someone other that the engaged couple was considered adultery, and under the Mosaic Law carried the death penalty by stoning....Boy, talk about being between a rock and a hard place, Joseph had to maintain his righteousness yet because of his godly love for Mary, and to exercise mercy, like God would show mercy, he showed compassion to Mary even though it looked like she was an adulteress.

As I said before, feel free to comment any of these 7 verses.
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http://www.messianicfellowship.50webs.com/wedding.html
 
notice the seven menorahs! and also where the moshiac stands in the middle of them in the vision of john in revalation!
 
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