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What About Those In Non-Christian Lands Who Have Never Heard The Gospel?
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jeremiah1five
I throughly believe the gentile converts were at Pentecost because of the Jewish influence, and Gods plan. I mean 10? details and not a generic there was a plan.
There are details in Ezekiel and the other later prophets. I am trying hard to draw out the details from you. If you are pro Jewish,
Surely you can provide details.
Without Jewish history my belief is not very stable. Come on and start. Scriptures and your comments. The details if self evident you can list them.
eddif
Jerusalem was populated with "Jews."
At Pentecost Peter preached to His "Jewish" brethren, he wasn't preaching to Gentiles.
The whole gist of Pete's preaching was the promises of God to His people Israel.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in rPontus, and sAsia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:7–11.
The only people familiar with the "wonderful works of God" were the "Jews."
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: Acts 2:14.
I don't believe I have to post the Scripture because I would have thought you knew this.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Acts 2:22.
"Ye men of Judaea" Peter is addressing the two tribes of the Southern Kingdom.
"Ye men of Israel" Peter is addressing the ten tribes of the Northern Kingdom.
Peter is speaking to his "Jewish" brethren. He's telling them about THEIR Messiah and King. He's not speaking to Gentiles.
I would have thought you'd know this but I suppose you don't.
Hopefully, now you do.
He is also speaking to previous gentiles who have become Jewish proselytes? These former gentiles converted to become Jews. Why?
eddif
jeremiah1five
By the way I have all this stuffed in my head. No book or reference writings or notes. I taught The book of Ezekiel I think twice. I will have to search for the verses. I think I taught Isaiah once. This is teaching at a nursing home so it is not that I am a big authority. If the Holy Spirit does not bring it to mind I am sunk. I prefer to not keep a journal either. Each time requires personal study. All this just happened as I kept reading through the Bible.
When I started reading the Bible I started in Genesis. Got a Strongs Concordance and was pretty much Jewish by the time I hit the New Testament.
I Repented at 12 years old
Received Jesus at 22?
Baptized in the Holy Spirit drying my hair in front of a bathroom heater at 24?
About 24 is when the reading really got started.
I see through a glass darkly, but I try not to be blind. If you will allow, I will keep on with all this.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
By the way I have all this stuffed in my head. No book or reference writings or notes. I taught The book of Ezekiel I think twice. I will have to search for the verses. I think I taught Isaiah once. This is teaching at a nursing home so it is not that I am a big authority. If the Holy Spirit does not bring it to mind I am sunk. I prefer to not keep a journal either. Each time requires personal study. All this just happened as I kept reading through the Bible.
When I started reading the Bible I started in Genesis. Got a Strongs Concordance and was pretty much Jewish by the time I hit the New Testament.
I Repented at 12 years old
Received Jesus at 22?
Baptized in the Holy Spirit drying my hair in front of a bathroom heater at 24?
About 24 is when the reading really got started.
I see through a glass darkly, but I try not to be blind. If you will allow, I will keep on with all this.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
Zechariah 14:16 kjv
16. And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
This is just one way the gentiles were introduced to God. Read all of chapter 14.
I will begin to gather scriptures from Isaiah and Ezekiel.
The impact of blessing and curses made an impact on the gentile nations. Some gentiles converted to become Jewish.
Romans 11:13 kjv
13. For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Read whole passage
20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but
21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
This is speaking to the blessings to gentiles after breaking off of Jewish branch.
Not every Jew there was a remnant of good Jewish persons.
eddif
16. And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
This is just one way the gentiles were introduced to God. Read all of chapter 14.
I will begin to gather scriptures from Isaiah and Ezekiel.
The impact of blessing and curses made an impact on the gentile nations. Some gentiles converted to become Jewish.
Romans 11:13 kjv
13. For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Read whole passage
20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but
21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
This is speaking to the blessings to gentiles after breaking off of Jewish branch.
Not every Jew there was a remnant of good Jewish persons.
eddif
They lived there.
And due to the Diaspora/exile there were observant "Jews" everywhere that grew up in those lands, learned the language, even to some extent their social habits. Possibly hellenized to some level of their lives. But they were "Jewish", and Peter is addressing "Jews" of twelve tribes for it was a "Jewish" Messiah that was Promised and a "Jewish" Messiah that came to Israel to teach Israel and to lead them in the ways of their God.
Peter says, "Ye men of Judaea" referring to the two tribes of the southern kingdom. He says, "Ye men of Israel" referring to the ten tribes of the northern kingdom.
Just out of curiosity there may have been Gentiles, even the Roman soldier who asked Jesus to cure his servant, or the Syrophoenician woman who asked Jesus to heal her daughter. 3000 were saved that morning and I am sure even the rich young man was among those saved. Jesus did command Him, "Follow me" in the same way He commanded his disciples when calling them out to Himself in the gospels.
Peter was quoting OT Scripture. Gentiles know nothing of their prophecies. They were Greek/Gentile idol-worshipers, deaf, dumb, and blind to the things of God. Remember, the middle wall partition. It was only removed only 50 days earlier and at this point there was no one who understood its implications until at least Paul brought out its meaning some two decades later.
They may have been Gentile by race and yes, Jesus did minister to Gentiles, and I'm sure more than what is recorded in the gospels, but the message of Peter is to herald to his "Jewish" brethren (Israel proper) in Israel that their Promised Messiah had come, that God had kept His Promise to the children of Israel (Deut. 18:18.)
The command in Acts 8 was for the apostles (sent) to herald to "Jewish" brethren not living in Israel but in foreign lands that same message of their Messiah's coming and other instructions they received of Jesus. But from my reckoning they didn't "GO" immediately but took about eight years before they eventually went to Jerusalem, Judaea, Samaria, and the Orient (uttermost parts). Not even persecution could dislodge them from their homes (Acts 8:1.)
But as you can read it was a "Jewish" message for a "Jewish" people, not for Gentiles (except those that converted but their number was very low.)
I'd say 3000 were saved that morning and as I said above, I believe the Roman soldier, the Syrophoenician woman, and the rich young ruler were saved that day.
Good for you.
Strong's is best. He doesn't "lead the witness" by adding commentary and how YOU should understand a meaning. Strong's just gives the best definition and that's it. The rest is up to the Holy Spirit, a KJV, and your mind, not to mention whether He wants you to understand a particular passage at the time.
Did you receive Jesus or did He receive you?
The middle wall partition was broken down only 50 days earlier. No one understood its significance until Paul brought it out some two decades later (Eph. 2:14.)
If you were Gentile or a Gentile proselyte at the time of Jesus' crucifixion you would have been shouting out, "Crucify him! Crucify him!" along with the others. It could have been the Roman soldier that sent "Jews" to Jesus that asked for healing for his servant that could have been the one to say, "Truly, this was the Son of God" for Gentiles were idol-worshipers and the best you could get from them was a "May Zeus bless you this day!"
Those familiar with God and the things He's said in OT Scripture and things He did for Israel could understand "the wonderful works of God." Gentile Idol-worshipers may have been understanding what they heard and witnessed confused not knowing the Scripture and think "the gods have visited us! May Zeus be praised!"
In Judgments made I would state it will be Jesus's words that prevail and He is that judge.
Nothing is hidden from Him and He would know if one has truly never heard of Him nor the gospel message. I wouldn't state such a person is saved nor condemned but that person will come before the one who judges and Jesus will make a judgment concerning them.
Setting that aside what nation of peoples currently among the living do you believe have not heard anything about Jesus?
That's later. After the gospel had gone out to the nations (Goyim.)
After Jesus had returned and sits on His throne in Jerusalem.
This is after Jesus had come and sits on the throne of Dave in Jerusalem.
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Rom. 11:1-4
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom. 11:11.
But when the Times of the Gentiles is complete God turns His full attention to Israel. The two witnesses of Revelation are "Jewish" and preach to Israel from the Old Testament and assist in showing that this Jesus was truly their long-awaited Messiah and King. The whole of Scripture OT/NT is "Jewish."
But the majority of branches are from the original tree and the majority. If you graft in other branches in excess of the majority of the original branches of the tree the tree will die.
Ove 6000 years of Hebrew/"Jewish" heralding against 2000 years of Gentile inclusion makes the Hebrew/"Jewish" population the majority. And still, they are a remnant of the whole.
I said I can, but I want to know whether you are capable of 10? Points about the Jews at Pentecost.
You keep giving (IMHO) simplistic answers as: (a plan). I want you to flesh out your answers with scripture and jeremiah1five comments.
I am pro good guy Jewish persons. I am pro good guy gentiles. We are made into one new man. One through faith the other by faith. This is your opportunity to post.
The issue is ;
What About Those In Non-Christian Lands Who Have Never Heard The Gospel?
An extremely good example are those righteous Jews that were from foreign lands (that appeared at Pentecost). Those are the ones that need 10 or so points about them. Not people Jesus met during his ministry.
eddif
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The going up to Jerusalem was in the 400 years of silence and pre Jesus. The going to Jerusalem was how the gentiles who attacked Jerusalem became converted to be Jewish (Jews and converted Jews alike).
The Gospel (good news of Jesus) went to the
Nations after Pentecost.
You might should give me your definition of Gospel.
eddif
We are not told they are Jewish in the Bible . You guessing ?
Are you guessing ? Here is what we are told in the Book of Revelation .
| 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. |
| 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. |
| 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. |
| 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. |
In Ezekiel the bad guy Jewish prophets said every thing would be ok. It was not ok.
It speaks of a branch broken off and a branch/ tree grafted onto the root. I will look again to check myself out. There is a tree planted on either side of a river clear as crystal, but that gets very complicated.
There were 12 tribes in Jewish history. There are 12 apostles later. One Old Jerusalem and one new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven. Better not go there yet,
eddif
Ok branches broken off. No numbers of branches broken off.
One gentile branch in Romans 11
Still looking
eddif