What About Those In Non-Christian Lands Who Have Never Heard The Gospel?

[gordon777]

Israel is the apple of God's eye. Gentiles are not. Israel is God's Chosen people. Gentiles are not in the same standing as Israel.

Israel is the apple of the eye for one reason only, because of Jesus Christ. ( Jesus Christ is the apple of the Fathers eye.)



Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,

Psalm 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

 

[lastofall]

Question: How is God good or just to abandon to Hell those who have never even heard the gospel?

JAG Writes:

Consider the following:

First, we Bible believing Christians start with the true proclamation that
God always does that which is right.

This means that the God who always does what is right, world-wide
and history-wide, is never going to abandon one of His elect to Gehenna,
but will find a way to save them and give them the gift of eternal life as
per John 3:16's "shall not perish but have eternal life."

Second, we Bible believing Christians MUST stay within the confines
of doctrinal orthodoxy and so we hold solid and fast to John 14:6
that correctly teaches: no man can come to the Father except through
believing in the Lord Jesus as his Savior.

Third, none of the above prevents us from considering the following:

Eternal Now. With regard to God's knowledge there is no past. present and future.
God sees everything in the Eternal NOW. God's Omniscience demands this position.
God now knows all that can be known, God does not learn new information and new truths.


So?

So the Eternal NOW knowledge is God's reality. And God's reality IS REALITY.

What YOU (we) can see is very limited and what YOU (we) can see IS NOT REALITY.

God has Middle Knowledge -- what that means is that God sees and knows fully
what every human being would choose to do under all possible sets of different
circumstances.


Let us take for an example a man named Akua Adisa, born in Africa in the year 1600 A.D.

Akua lived and died never knowing a single word of the gospel message.

God's Middle Knowledge knows precisely what Akua Adisa will choose to do in all possible
sets of circumstances --

-- for example if Akua Adisa had been born in, say, South Carolina in the year 1990 A.D.
and had traveled to hear Franklin Graham preach the gospel.

How is this ↓ conclusion NOT compelling?
If the Sovereign God knows that Akua Adisa would have accepted the Lord Jesus as his
Savior if he had been born in the year 1990 A.D. in South Carolina when he heard Franklin
Graham preach the gospel then in God's reality Akua Adisa has accepted the Lord Jesus as
his Savior and has therefore fulfilled the requirements of John 14:6 no man can come to the
Father except through faith in the Lord Jesus.

Are we not compelled to reach this conclusion?

Thoughts?

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PS
God's Omniscience demands we hold that God has what the philosophers call
Middle Knowledge.

First, It is written, "Beware of philosophy" why? because it is the love of man's use of knowledge: such things as the idea of middle knowledge; such an thing does not exist with God; also the using of one passage without others one cannot therefore rightly divide the Word of Truth. As for your question: The Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit of Truth speaking through the Apostle Peter (Acts 10:34-35) tells us plainly that it must not be only those that have heard of the Gospel of Christ; yet it is exactly to fear God and work righteousness that is of the Gospel of Christ: so though they hared not, yet has God put it in their heart. (Acts 10:34-35) "Of a Truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation, he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him."

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[gordon777]

No, they cannot. There is no instance in Scripture of God blotting out a name. There are no mistakes with God. Everyone in that book will be saved. None are lost, not even Judas.

Does it say blotted out from where?

They are cut off, that are the people the same as Judas, the betrayer of Jesus Christ, their name is blotted out, their sin is not blotted out, the iniquity of their fathers is remembered, the memory of them is cut off from the earth. ( the memory in the earth is in the book of life.)

Iniquity is added to their iniquity, to not come into the righteousness of Christ, they are blotted out of the book of the living, not written with the righteous, ( not written in the book of the living/life.)

The Lord is praised with a song, magnified with thanksgiving.



Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour.
12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.
13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.
14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the Lord; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
15 Let them be before the Lord continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

Psalm 69:27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.
28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
29 But I am poor and sorrowful: let thy salvation, O God, set me up on high.
30 I will praise the name of God with a song, and will magnify him with thanksgiving.




Jesus tells how unlike HIs Apostles who were kept, Judas was lost, as he was the son of perdition, which fulfilled the scripture.

Peter tells about Judas, who purchased with the reward of iniquity, another took his office.

Judas fell by transgression to go to his own place.

The day of judgement comes for the ungodly men of perdition. ( Judas is blotted out of the book, along with all of the men of perdition.)




John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.



Jesus Christ prevailed to open the book, they sang a new song, ( praising and magnifying the Lord) that He is worthy to take the book and loosen the seven seals of the book, ( of life) as He was killed to redeem us to God by His blood.

All are judged, and the books are opened, and the other book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead are judged according to what was written in the books, according to their works.

If any man takes away from the words of the prophecy, God takes away their part out of the book of life, out of the holy city, and from the things written in the book. ( their name is blotted out of the book of life.)




Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[gordon777]

But after the Times of the Gentiles are completed on God's timetable, He turns His attention back to Israel and the two Jewish witnesses of Revelation evangelize God's people through the Old Testament and revival happens in Israel and they finally see their Messiah Jesus Christ.

Yes you are stating that based on one chapter of the bible, and not knowing who two witnesses are, and the witness is given already by Jesus Christ to Israel and to the world.


Looking at the chapter you claim is Israel being evangelised.

What is told is no such thing, it is confirmation of Isaiah 6, of the tenth returning to God ( the remnant of Israel.) and Romans 11 telling of the seven thousand who had not served Baal. ( seven thousand is all that was left alive in Israel.)



Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


1 Kings 20:15 Then he numbered the young men of the princes of the provinces, and they were two hundred and thirty two: and after them he numbered all the people, even all the children of Israel, being seven thousand.

Isaiah 6:13 But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.




Your other claim of the times of the Gentiles, also is not as the chapter shows at all. ( nor would it ever make sense)

After the times of the Gentiles, which was the restoring of the kingdom to Israel, as the book of Daniel shows, and was restored began in 1917, and was established Israel in 1947, that was done at the time of the other signs Jesus gave by nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom, the two world wars took Israel back and also returned the Jews to Israel, then after this, as seen in the world right now, cares for thigs has increased, riches have increased, the world is prospering, so that the opposite comes to your message, THE SNARE COMES ON ALL THEM THAT DWELL ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH.


Luke 21: 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[gordon777]

Now the conclusion is made for everybody, everybody in all lands is the opposite to hearing, as everybody hears the devil now instead.


Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Psalms 69:28 kjv
28. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Book of life NIV , NASB, CSB, ASV, ERV

Mississippi redneck
eddif

That may be the threat, but there is no instance of anyone being blotted out of the book of life.
It was King Dave's prayer but there is no passage of Scripture God honored his request.
The concern is whether God blots out anyone. That's the focus and God does not blot anyone out for the is no Scripture that says He did. So, to speculate against this truth is to espouse error.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Israel is the apple of the eye for one reason only, because of Jesus Christ. ( Jesus Christ is the apple of the Fathers eye.)

That is very true. Happy you said that.
But the bottom line is that if anyone hates Israel, they cannot Love Jesus.
And if they love Jesus they must also have love for Israel His people.

Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,

Psalm 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

ibid.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes you are stating that based on one chapter of the bible, and not knowing who two witnesses are, and the witness is given already by Jesus Christ to Israel and to the world.

One chapter with several Scripture passages is enough.
The witness is given to Israel for that is to whom Jesus sent His apostles with His message. The gospel of Jesus Christ's arrival to and for Israel as prophesied in Deuteronomy 18:18 is a Promise to and for Israel. Jesus was not sent to the world of Gentiles for He says Himself and the OT Scripture says it as well that Messiah was sent by God to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Jesus died approximately 33AD. (Paul was saved about four years later). Jesus sent His apostles into Israel (Acts 1:8 Jerusalem, Judaea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the earth which is the Orient/Mesopotamia - east, to send the message to the twelve tribes that lived scattered in these Gentile nations to herald that Israel's Messiah had come (and gone.) The gospel was never meant for the Gentiles at this time. Judaism was still the religion of the Jews despite their killing of their Messiah. But once their Temple was destroyed in 70AD by the Romans the "ism" of Judaism was no more, and this marked the beginning of the entry of Gentiles into the Abrahamic Covenant which we call today the Times of the Gentiles. But there will come a time very soon that this epoch of history will end, and God will turn His full attention back to Israel after getting them jealous as Paul said for God still has many promises still to keep towards His Covenant people. It only makes sense that since Revelation was written to the Jewish people that the two witnesses would be Jewish from among their tribes to herald the coming judgment and Messiah. These two witnesses are not sent to the Gentile world but to Israel.

Looking at the chapter you claim is Israel being evangelised.

What is told is no such thing, it is confirmation of Isaiah 6, of the tenth returning to God ( the remnant of Israel.) and Romans 11 telling of the seven thousand who had not served Baal. ( seven thousand is all that was left alive in Israel.)

At the time. As of 2021 there are nearly ten million Israelites of twelve tribes living in Israel not counting Jews who live in Gentile lands across the globe. So, double that and there are upwards of 20 million Jews living in the world. Since Jesus is a Jewish Messiah sent to Israel of twelve tribes and the "cutting off of Messiah" as stated by Daniel was His death and resurrection and ascension from earth to the Father, there still comes a time when that cutting off will end and God will turn His salvation towards Israel and use these two Jewish prophets to herald from their own OT Scriptures that Jesus was indeed their Christ and that He is coming again to sit on Dave's throne. You cannot divide Israel from their Messiah. You cannot make Israel's Messiah and Christ Gentile. He has Jewish blood coursing through His veins. He hails from the tribe of Judah. And He was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.
God has made no Covenant with Gentiles as He has with Israel. Gentiles being saved these past 2000 years does not make Israel's Messiah a Gentile one. The twelve tribes will sit with Jesus Christ at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and Gentiles will sit somewhere down at the end of the table. The two witnesses of Revelation 11 are sent to prepare Israel for the return of their Messiah but this time He will be accepted, and He will rule the world from Jerusalem.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


1 Kings 20:15 Then he numbered the young men of the princes of the provinces, and they were two hundred and thirty two: and after them he numbered all the people, even all the children of Israel, being seven thousand.

Isaiah 6:13 But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Your other claim of the times of the Gentiles, also is not as the chapter shows at all. ( nor would it ever make sense)

After the times of the Gentiles, which was the restoring of the kingdom to Israel, as the book of Daniel shows, and was restored began in 1917, and was established Israel in 1947, that was done at the time of the other signs Jesus gave by nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom, the two world wars took Israel back and also returned the Jews to Israel, then after this, as seen in the world right now, cares for thigs has increased, riches have increased, the world is prospering, so that the opposite comes to your message, THE SNARE COMES ON ALL THEM THAT DWELL ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH.

But in 1948, actually, Jerusalem was still under occupation of the descendants of Ishmael the Arab. In 1968 is when Israel took control away from them and began administering their authority there. There are still wars, greater wars, and the rumors of wars and greater wars still yet future so God's timeclock is still ticking and there are still many, many more events to take place upon Israel and the world.

Luke 21: 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Luke 21: 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

In Luke 21:34 Jesus is speaking to His Jewish brethren. The Lord's Prayer is a Jewish prayer.

 

[eddif]

. That's the focus and God does not blot anyone out for the is no Scripture that says He did. So, to speculate against this truth is to espouse error.

Psalms 9:5 kjv
5. Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.

Deuteronomy 25:19 kjv
19. Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.

God told Moses to write it in his book.

God made the declaration that it could be done.

eddif

 

[jeremiah1five]

They are cut off, that are the people the same as Judas, the betrayer of Jesus Christ, their name is blotted out, their sin is not blotted out, the iniquity of their fathers is remembered, the memory of them is cut off from the earth. ( the memory in the earth is in the book of life.)

God still has promises He made to His people Israel. And He will fulfill those promises. He didn't make these unfulfilled promises to a nation 'blotted' out but to a nation pushed to the side so that Gentiles will come in and grafted to Israel where He will make two into one.
Judas will be there also for he was at the Passover Meal and the judgment of God was Passed Over by the blood and body of Jesus Christ.

Iniquity is added to their iniquity, to not come into the righteousness of Christ, they are blotted out of the book of the living, not written with the righteous, ( not written in the book of the living/life.)
The Lord is praised with a song, magnified with thanksgiving.

As I said above.

Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour.
12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.
13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.
14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the Lord; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
15 Let them be before the Lord continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

Psalm 69:27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.
28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
29 But I am poor and sorrowful: let thy salvation, O God, set me up on high.
30 I will praise the name of God with a song, and will magnify him with thanksgiving.

Jesus tells how unlike HIs Apostles who were kept, Judas was lost, as he was the son of perdition, which fulfilled the scripture.

The word "perdition" for the thousandth time means "ruin" and the word has three senses in which it is to be understood: physical ruin, spiritual ruin, and eternal ruin. Since Judas was at the Passover Meal God's judgment passed over him and the other eleven disciples. Jesus said His body and blood are "given for YOU" (the twelve.) Judas didn't 'ruin' himself eternally for as I said he was at the PASSOVER meal and Jesus said His body and blood are given for 'you.'
He didn't ruin himself spiritually for the Holy Spirit had not yet been given. But he did ruin himself physically by hanging himself in obedience to the Law of Moses of 'life for a life (Matthew 27:3-5.)

Peter tells about Judas, who purchased with the reward of iniquity, another took his office.
Judas fell by transgression to go to his own place.
The day of judgement comes for the ungodly men of perdition. ( Judas is blotted out of the book, along with all of the men of perdition.)

As I explained above Judas is saved.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Jesus Christ prevailed to open the book, they sang a new song, ( praising and magnifying the Lord) that He is worthy to take the book and loosen the seven seals of the book, ( of life) as He was killed to redeem us to God by His blood.

All are judged, and the books are opened, and the other book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead are judged according to what was written in the books, according to their works.

Only unbelievers are judged, those whom God has not saved.
Believers were judged at the cross of Christ and Christ took upon Him the sins of His people, those whose names are written by God in the lamb's book of Life.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Psalms 9:5 kjv
5. Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.

These heathen were never in the book of life to begin with. Not the book that has all the names of those God predestined to save.
But there could be a book that has the names of every human ever to be born. If these are heathens that never become saved, say a friend that never is saved, then their memory will be blotted from our minds. Even if the unsaved person is someone we loved that was never saved, like a parent or child.

Deuteronomy 25:19 kjv
19. Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.
God told Moses to write it in his book.
God made the declaration that it could be done.
eddif

But which book is being addressed here? None. It has to do with the mind. Memory is of the mind and no book is being spoken of here.

 

[TheDeafMan]

It may be possible that Hinduism has some accuracy, and maybe Buddhism, and Reincarnation has been Biblically Supported. So why not part of the Punishment being coming back here to try again, over the 999 Trillion or so years.

Nope. It is appointed to man once to die and after that the judgment. Heaven and Hell are both eternal. There are no second chances. We have this life to decide. God's mercy is such that all have some level of understanding. As mentioned earlier, we will be judged according to our level of understanding, however rudimentary. God is just. While we may not see exactly how that can be, we believe it. There is no support for reincarnation, none. No verse that supports it, Jesus never taught it, disciples never taught it. This life only to decide.

 

[eddif]

These heathen were never in the book of life to begin with. Not the book that has all the names of those God predestined to save.
But there could be a book that has the names of every human ever to be born. If these are heathens that never become saved, say a friend that never is saved, then their memory will be blotted from our minds. Even if the unsaved person is someone we loved that was never saved, like a parent or child.

But which book is being addressed here? None. It has to do with the mind. Memory is of the mind and no book is being spoken of here.

The books were opened:
The book of physical life
The book of works
The book of Moses
The Lambs Book Of Life
The book of memories

Lots of Books

PaRDeS is all about seeing
a seed = Word of God
Ground = men’s hearts

A seed holds the record of plant development
The Bible holds the record of the world (on a lot of levels).

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[gordon777]

That may be the threat, but there is no instance of anyone being blotted out of the book of life.
It was King Dave's prayer but there is no passage of Scripture God honored his request.
The concern is whether God blots out anyone. That's the focus and God does not blot anyone out for the is no Scripture that says He did. So, to speculate against this truth is to espouse error.

We cant see anyone blotted out of the book of life, as that is when God judges all through the books.

Then the curses in the book, cause the name of them to cease from under heaven. ( blotted out/ their part taken away out of the book.)


Deuteronomy 29:20 The Lord will not spare him, but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven.


Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[gordon777]

The witness is given to Israel for that is to whom Jesus sent His apostles with His message. The gospel of Jesus Christ's arrival to and for Israel as prophesied in Deuteronomy 18:18 is a Promise to and for Israel

Yes the witness of Deuteronomy 18:18 is for Israel, because the next verse, 19, shows that whosoever will not hear the words of God, will have it required of them.

This is fulfilled on Israel, ( not on the Gentiles.) through Stephen, who explains to the men of Israel how the children of Israel had thrust God from themselves in the wilderness and turned back in their hearts to Egypt. ( and how they are not hearing the one raised up to them of their brothers.)

Stephen shows they are stiff necked and always resist the Holy Ghost, as their fathers resisted, so they do.

The children of Israel persecuted and killed the prophets, and killed them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom they had now been the betrayers and murderers.


Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

 

[gordon777]

Jesus was not sent to the world of Gentiles for He says Himself and the OT Scripture says it as well that Messiah was sent by God to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Jesus died approximately 33AD. (Paul was saved about four years later). Jesus sent His apostles into Israel (Acts 1:8 Jerusalem, Judaea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the earth which is the Orient/Mesopotamia - east, to send the message to the twelve tribes that lived scattered in these Gentile nations to herald that Israel's Messiah had come (and gone.) The gospel was never meant for the Gentiles at this time.

Jesus could not be sent to the world of the Gentiles, because He had to be sent to HIs own, who rejected Him. ( the Gentiles could not reject the Messiah, only Israel had those feelings.)


John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.



Then repentance has to be first be presented to Israel, ( they have guilt for murdering the Son of man)

It is in the Jews own book how they will kill their own Messiah, Christ fulfilled what is written in the Torah, they therefore have to repent of murder, ( the Gentiles have no such repentance as Israel to make.)

When Plate appealed to all the people of Israel of the innocent blood of Christ they were about to spill, they curse themselves by saying, HIs blood be on them AND their children.



Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.


Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.



The people of Israel are reminded before what they did murdering Stephen, of the same word, of Moses telling of the prophet they had to hear, or be destroyed from among the people.

They are told they are the children of the prophets ( who their fathers persecuted and killed) and of the covenant God made with all people of the earth, but God raising His Son ( who they also murdered.) was sent to bless them, in turning them all away from their iniquity.



Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.




But Israel did not accept that they killed their own Messiah, they instead were filled with envy, ( provoked to jealousy and anger by a foolish nation, the sound went into all the earth, so Israel did know, as the Lord had held HIs hand out all day to a disobedient and gainsaying people in the Jews, but was found of the Gentiles, because they have no stumbling block as the Jews have, of law and not faith, of murdering all the prophets and the Son.)

This declaration is told to Israel, "It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing you put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles, the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set you to be a light of the Gentiles, that you should be for salvation unto the ends of the earth."



Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

 

[gordon777]

But there will come a time very soon that this epoch of history will end, and God will turn His full attention back to Israel after getting them jealous as Paul said for God still has many promises still to keep towards His Covenant people. It only makes sense that since Revelation was written to the Jewish people that the two witnesses would be Jewish from among their tribes to herald the coming judgment and Messiah. These two witnesses are not sent to the Gentile world but to Israel.

They were gotten jealous a long time ago, they then rejected Christianity at that same time, until now.

No witnesses change those facts, I can give witness, ( as I am giving on this forum.) but it changes nothing.

Two witnesses signify what is in the law for Israel, for the testimony to be true.


Revelations is true, and Israel never believed and do not believe now, neither does anyone else, all worshipping the beast and false prophets make sure that is done.



2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[gordon777]

At the time. As of 2021 there are nearly ten million Israelites of twelve tribes living in Israel not counting Jews who live in Gentile lands across the globe. So, double that and there are upwards of 20 million Jews living in the world. Since Jesus is a Jewish Messiah sent to Israel of twelve tribes and the "cutting off of Messiah" as stated by Daniel was His death and resurrection and ascension from earth to the Father, there still comes a time when that cutting off will end and God will turn His salvation towards Israel and use these two Jewish prophets to herald from their own OT Scriptures that Jesus was indeed their Christ and that He is coming again to sit on Dave's throne. You cannot divide Israel from their Messiah. You cannot make Israel's Messiah and Christ Gentile. He has Jewish blood coursing through His veins. He hails from the tribe of Judah. And He was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.
God has made no Covenant with Gentiles as He has with Israel. Gentiles being saved these past 2000 years does not make Israel's Messiah a Gentile one. The twelve tribes will sit with Jesus Christ at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and Gentiles will sit somewhere down at the end of the table. The two witnesses of Revelation 11 are sent to prepare Israel for the return of their Messiah but this time He will be accepted, and He will rule the world from Jerusalem.

The only thing predicted for Israel was evil befalling them in the latter days, as they did evil in the sight of God.


That was fulfilled as all the world saw, after this Israel was gathered to their own land, but not because of their goodness. ( for blasphemed the name of God until returned to their own land by God.)




Deuteronomy 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

Ezekiel 16:60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
62 And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord:
63 That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord God.

Ezekiel 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord God, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
33 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.

 

[gordon777]

The word "perdition" for the thousandth time means "ruin" and the word has three senses in which it is to be understood: physical ruin, spiritual ruin, and eternal ruin. Since Judas was at the Passover Meal God's judgment passed over him and the other eleven disciples. Jesus said His body and blood are "given for YOU" (the twelve.) Judas didn't 'ruin' himself eternally for as I said he was at the PASSOVER meal and Jesus said His body and blood are given for 'you.'
He didn't ruin himself spiritually for the Holy Spirit had not yet been given. But he did ruin himself physically by hanging himself in obedience to the Law of Moses of 'life for a life (Matthew 27:3-5.)

As I explained above Judas is saved.

Only unbelievers are judged, those whom God has not saved.
Believers were judged at the cross of Christ and Christ took upon Him the sins of His people, those whose names are written by God in the lamb's book of Life.

Yes, you give a lot of explanation, and very little scripture.


Here, the scripture explains much better.


Truly Jesus tells the Apostles, they who believe do greater works than the Son, as He foes to the Father and they receive the Spirit. ( this was not Judas, Judas dies in unbelief before the Spirit is given to those who believe and do the greater works.)

The comforter is given, to abide with them for ever, the Spirit of truth, which would be in them. ( never was in Judas) The world could not receive. ( Judas could not receive, and was then of the world, and were all classed as comfortless.)

The world sees Jesus no more, ( because we see through the comforter given, which Judas never received, as the world never received.)

The Apostles in the day of Christ living, know He is in the Father and them in Him and Christ in them, ( Judas never knew, never lived, never had the Son and the Father in Him, Judas never knew Christ lives, so does not live also..)

Jesus manifests Himself to those who love Him, it is not to Judas, who disputes how Jesus does not manifest Himself to the world. ( Judas is also of the world and does not know Jesus Christ.)

Jesus answers Judas, who does not love Christ, who does not keep His words, and then is not loved of the Father, and who the Son and the Father do not come to to make their abode in him. ( Judas dies never knowing Christ is living, so never lives.)


John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

 

[gordon777]

Only unbelievers are judged, those whom God has not saved.
Believers were judged at the cross of Christ and Christ took upon Him the sins of His people, those whose names are written by God in the lamb's book of Life.

We are called to overcome, as Christ overcame, if we have overcome already, we would not have to overcome as Christ overcame, as told, how. ( when the hour to lay HIs life down came.)



John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.