What About Those In Non-Christian Lands Who Have Never Heard The Gospel?

[gordon777]

Since Judas was at the Passover Meal God's judgment passed over him and the other eleven disciples. Jesus said His body and blood are "given for YOU" (the twelve.) Judas didn't 'ruin' himself eternally for as I said he was at the PASSOVER meal and Jesus said His body and blood are given for 'you.'

You are speaking about a betrayer being saved. ( for betraying.)


But speaking of the passover, Christ our passover is sacrificed for us, ( Judas never saw that, never saw that Christ living means dearth passes over from us, never believed in it.)

The feast cannot be kept with malice and wickedness, ( Judas a thief/better he had never been born, woe to him.)

The night in which Christ was betrayed, ( by unsaved Judas.) and took bread and gave it as HIs body to eat in remembrance of Him, and took the cup which is HIs blood of the new covenant, to do in remembering Him.

These rules apply to all ( God is not a respecter of persons) "whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." ( JUDAS ATE AND DRANK UNWORTHILY AND WAS GUILTY OF THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD.)

They ( Judas and whosoever.) who eat and drink unworthily, drink damnation to themselves, as they do not discern ( do not recognise, do not believe in) the Lords body.




John 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

Matthew 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

1 Corinthians 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

 

[gordon777]

Summing up again, everybody in non Christian lands, will be the example we see of Israel in the scriptures, instead of coming to the Lord, resisting Him instead.

God chose the Apostles He wanted, rejected the ones He didnt want.

That also shows names are blotted out of the Lambs book of life, so that anyone who thinks they have heard, while others have not heard, will question whether they have heard truly, or not at all yet.

 

[gordon777]

Have a nice time in your opinions, I will leave you to it, again, because I know nobody hears God in any lands, now.

 

[eddif]

We cant see anyone blotted out of the book of life, as that is when God judges all through the books.

Then the curses in the book, cause the name of them to cease from under heaven. ( blotted out/ their part taken away out of the book.)


Deuteronomy 29:20 The Lord will not spare him, but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven.


Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

There are many books.

There is but one
(THE Lambs Book of Life)

The blotting out can be handled in other books. I agree.

eddif

 

[jeremiah1five]

We cant see anyone blotted out of the book of life, as that is when God judges all through the books.

Anyone in THE LAMB'S book of life will be and has already been saved. They are never blotted out.

Then the curses in the book, cause the name of them to cease from under heaven. ( blotted out/ their part taken away out of the book.)

If their name is in the book of life, they will be saved never to be blotted out.

Deuteronomy 29:20 The Lord will not spare him, but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven.

But it doesn't say "book."

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[jeremiah1five]

They were gotten jealous a long time ago, they then rejected Christianity at that same time, until now.

The jealousy continues. As long as the Times of the Gentiles continues Israel's jealousy continues.

No witnesses change those facts, I can give witness, ( as I am giving on this forum.) but it changes nothing.
Two witnesses signify what is in the law for Israel, for the testimony to be true.

The two witnesses will prophesy straight from the Hebrew Scriptures that this Jesus was really and truly their Messiah and Christ and King.

Revelations is true, and Israel never believed and do not believe now, neither does anyone else, all worshipping the beast and false prophets make sure that is done.

One thing God does is He prepares His people. That is why He sends prophets. The presence of the prophet is to point the way back to God and to prophesy that judgment is coming.
This is the reason why the Lord Jesus instructed His people in the Lord's Prayer. It is a Jewish prayer.

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Jesus teaches the Fatherhood of God. God is Father of Israel and Abraham is the father of Isaac and Jacob. It's a family matter but because the Jews rejected their Father as their history had proved time and again in the Tribulation the two witnesses will make this clear and bring revival to the twelve tribes of Israel in Israel and scattered across the globe.

10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Jesus teaches His people the coming King prophesied to sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem. He teaches the Sovereignty of God over all Israel and her enemies. In order to have a King sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem the King must be victorious and this will happen when Jesus Messiah returns.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Due to Israel's refusal to accept the mark of the beast which affects their ability to buy and sell, Jesus teaches His people to seek God for their daily necessities such as food.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Jesus teaches Israel first that as two kingdoms of twelve tribes (ten northern two southern) who even in Jesus' day were still expressing animosity against each other, to forgive their hatred against each other and resolve their differences that resulted in many wars waged against each other after the death of Solomon.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.
Jesus teaches His people Israel to be strong in the LORD and the power of His Might.
Jesus teaches His people that only through commitment to God and obedience to the LORD can they life holy, righteous lives (be ye holy, for I am holy).
Jesus teaches His people to remember and be assured that God is the rightful ruler over all His creation and that although there may be times of great testing and trial God in the end will emerge totally victorious over all His enemies.

Amen. Mt 6:9–13.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The falling away was already existing in Israel in the rejection of their Messiah and King but those who have heard the gospel message of Israel's Messiah and witnessed the healings and all the good He did to and for His people remained faithful even unto death. This is the obedience God rewards.

 

[jeremiah1five]

They are cut off, that are the people the same as Judas, the betrayer of Jesus Christ, their name is blotted out, their sin is not blotted out, the iniquity of their fathers is remembered, the memory of them is cut off from the earth. ( the memory in the earth is in the book of life.)
Iniquity is added to their iniquity, to not come into the righteousness of Christ, they are blotted out of the book of the living, not written with the righteous, ( not written in the book of the living/life.)
The Lord is praised with a song, magnified with thanksgiving.

God still has many promises to fulfill towards His people Israel. One of those promises is the son of David to sit on David's throne in Jerusalem, defeat Israel's enemies, and bring an era of great prosperity and safety. If Israel is blotted out why would Christ sit on the throne of a people dead and rejected by God?
I think you need to realign your beliefs to the truth of Scripture in this regard. You espouse the heresy of Replacement Theology in which many are taught that the Church replaced Israel in God's plan. But what many fail to know and understand is that the Great Congregation is found in the Old Testament, and this is the origin of the Church which continued leading up to and beyond Pentecost and continues to this day except that now for God's purposes He is bringing in Gentiles to fulfill His promise to Israel made in the Old Testament. Remember, the Gentile woman knew the Old Testament prophecies of Israel's Messiah and recognized that Jesus was their long-awaited Messiah and King, and that when Jesus told her He didn't come for Gentiles at that time and "to not take the children's bread and cast it to dogs," she replied, "truth, Lord, but the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table." Jesus replied, "Oh woman, GREAT is thy faith" because Jesus knew this woman being Gentile trusted in Israel's promised Messiah whom she recognized in the person of Jesus and although she knew that the whole loaf of bread will one day come also to the Gentiles, she only wanted a few crumbs now against that day.

Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour.
12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.
13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.
14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the Lord; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
15 Let them be before the Lord continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

When Peter said this, he was speaking from his flesh as the inspiration of the Holy Spirit had not yet come. There is no mention in the above passages of Judas. This prophecy could be said of anyone.
Besides, Judas was at the Passover meal and Jesus declared that His body and blood were given "for you" (the twelve sitting with Him at the PASS OVER meal.)
Judas was an apostle and was named an apostle of the Lord in Luke 6:12-13 and there are no called and elect apostles in hell.
Judas repented, confessed his sin and returned/rejected the 30 pieces of silver when he learned he was complicit in the condemnation and death of an innocent man (Jesus.) What was the reply of the religious leaders after they apprehended Jesus? They told Judas "See thou to that" which is to say, "you handle it."
What the priest with the witness of the people should have done as prescribed under the Law of Moses of life for life is take Judas outside the city and stone him. Instead they told him to "handle it yourself" and he did. He went out and hung himself in obedience to the Law.
The name of Judas will also be inscribed in the foundation of the wall of New Jerusalem along with the other eleven apostles for the term in Revelation 21 describes the names of the apostles of the LAMB and this dates their apostleship to the time when Jesus was on earth as the Lamb of God.
I did a post entitled "ON THE QUESTION OF JUDAS ISCARIOT."
Read it.

Jesus tells how unlike HIs Apostles who were kept, Judas was lost, as he was the son of perdition, which fulfilled the scripture.

Do you even KNOW what the word "perdition" means?

Peter tells about Judas, who purchased with the reward of iniquity, another took his office.

Judas didn't purchase anything. He was dead. The priests were the ones to use the 30 pieces of silver to purchase a small plot of land in which to bury strangers and foreigners who die in Israel. The Jewish people usually had family plots in which to bury their dead. Abraham did this when Sarah died, and he was also buried there with her when his time came as well.

Do you even understand the "office" that Peter was leading his brethren to deal with in Acts 1:15-26?
Did you know that there was a window of about ten days from the ascension of Jesus until the coming of the Holy Spirit and that Jesus COMMANDED His disciples to "tarry" in Jerusalem until the Promise arrive? The word "tarry" means to "sit" [down] (and do nothing.) But what does Scripture say Peter did? He STOOD UP and officiated a meeting in which he was in disobedience to do. Jesus was on the earth for 40 days after His resurrection. If He wanted to replace Judas, He would have done it within that time. But Jesus doesn't 'replace' in the body of Christ, which is the Church, HE ADDS.

Judas fell by transgression to go to his own place.

And where does Scripture explicitly say his own place is?
As a Hebrew and in the Abrahamic Covenant and called and chosen by Christ, Judas' 'own place' would be at the table leaning on Abraham's bosom.

The day of judgement comes for the ungodly men of perdition. ( Judas is blotted out of the book, along with all of the men of perdition.)

Where in Scripture does it say Judas is blotted out?
Or are you making things up leaning on your own understanding in the vanity of your mind?

If any man takes away from the words of the prophecy, God takes away their part out of the book of life, out of the holy city, and from the things written in the book. ( their name is blotted out of the book of life.)

By your saying Judas was blotted out of the book of life when there is no Scripture that says this YOU are adding to the words of 'this' prophecy.
Careful your name isn't blotted out!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes you are stating that based on one chapter of the bible, and not knowing who two witnesses are, and the witness is given already by Jesus Christ to Israel and to the world.
Looking at the chapter you claim is Israel being evangelised.
What is told is no such thing, it is confirmation of Isaiah 6, of the tenth returning to God ( the remnant of Israel.) and Romans 11 telling of the seven thousand who had not served Baal. ( seven thousand is all that was left alive in Israel.)

That was in Israel's past and brought up by Paul to describe that God has Israel's back in the present and furture.

Your other claim of the times of the Gentiles, also is not as the chapter shows at all. ( nor would it ever make sense)

After the times of the Gentiles, which was the restoring of the kingdom to Israel, as the book of Daniel shows, and was restored began in 1917, and was established Israel in 1947, that was done at the time of the other signs Jesus gave by nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom, the two world wars took Israel back and also returned the Jews to Israel, then after this, as seen in the world right now, cares for thigs has increased, riches have increased, the world is prospering, so that the opposite comes to your message, THE SNARE COMES ON ALL THEM THAT DWELL ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH.

God still has promises to fulfill to Israel such as Messiah sitting on the throne of David.
It makes no sense for Israel to be blotted out and yet Jesus sits on David's throne in Jerusalem the Capital of Israel.
God is the God of the living and not the dead.

 

[jeremiah1five]

How can some be punished for not knowing?

It's not having knowledge that condemns, but sin nature that brings death.
Unless God does the saving, NONE would be saved.
But thanks to God He does save.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes the witness of Deuteronomy 18:18 is for Israel, because the next verse, 19, shows that whosoever will not hear the words of God, will have it required of them.

This is fulfilled on Israel, ( not on the Gentiles.) through Stephen, who explains to the men of Israel how the children of Israel had thrust God from themselves in the wilderness and turned back in their hearts to Egypt. ( and how they are not hearing the one raised up to them of their brothers.)

Stephen shows they are stiff necked and always resist the Holy Ghost, as their fathers resisted, so they do.

The children of Israel persecuted and killed the prophets, and killed them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom they had now been the betrayers and murderers.


Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

You miss the part of the fact that those words were spoken to a people already in the Covenant of God. Already saved. Even born again saved Christians disobey God from time to time.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The only thing predicted for Israel was evil befalling them in the latter days, as they did evil in the sight of God.


That was fulfilled as all the world saw, after this Israel was gathered to their own land, but not because of their goodness. ( for blasphemed the name of God until returned to their own land by God.)




Deuteronomy 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

Ezekiel 16:60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
62 And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord:
63 That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord God.

Ezekiel 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord God, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
33 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.

Jesus Christ is God's Lamb and was sacrificed for God's Chosen people Israel.
There was something called the Last Supper which is another way of saying PASS OVER.
Which is what they celebrated before sacrifice was made for God's Chosen people.

 

[Josh2010]

It's not having knowledge that condemns, but sin nature that brings death.
Unless God does the saving, NONE would be saved.
But thanks to God He does save.

Thanks it makes more sense to me now.

 

[gordon777]

Anyone in THE LAMB'S book of life will be and has already been saved. They are never blotted out.

If their name is in the book of life, they will be saved never to be blotted out.

But it doesn't say "book."

But it does say book,


Firstly there is everybodys names written in the book of life, we know this because Moses says about his name being blotted out as a sacrifice, but God answers how those who sin against Him will be blotted out of HIs book.

Psalms 69 confirms that, of Israel who persecuted the Son of God.




Exodus 32:32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

Exodus 32:33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Psalm 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.



Christ gives all repentance, if they can convert from sins, then their sins are blotted out, by blotting out the handwriting of ordinances against us all. ( the seal on the book of life, which the Lamb opened.)




Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;




Christ calls us to overcome the world ( through faith/believing in HIs testimonies) and then our name is not blotted out of the book of life. ( the same as Moses spoke of Exodus 32, the book God had written, of life, or death to those not found written in it/blotted out.

Again the part is taken away ( blotted out) for those who take away from the sayings of the prophecy of the book.



Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[gordon777]

The jealousy continues. As long as the Times of the Gentiles continues Israel's jealousy continues.

Yes it continues, Israel is still provoking the Lord to jealousy, by the abominations it commits until this day.


Ezekiel 8:3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.

The two witnesses will prophesy straight from the Hebrew Scriptures that this Jesus was really and truly their Messiah and Christ and King.

Jesus Christ is the true witness who has destroyed the wisdom of the wise, the scribe and disputer is nowhere any more, the foolishness of the preaching of the cross saves them that believe, those who are called, BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES, have no stumblingblock and require no signs, ( of two witnesses, they believe in Christ the true witness.

With men of other tongues God spoke to the people of the Jews, yet for all they they would not believe. ( they wont believe in any two witnesses, if they cant believe in the true witness, Jesus Christ preached to the WORLD. 1 Timothy 3:16.)


1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.



1 Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

One thing God does is He prepares His people. That is why He sends prophets. The presence of the prophet is to point the way back to God and to prophesy that judgment is coming.
This is the reason why the Lord Jesus instructed His people in the Lord's Prayer. It is a Jewish prayer.

The prophets were until John, after that time the Kingdom of God is preached 9 Christ crucified which saves all that believe.)


Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus teaches the Fatherhood of God. God is Father of Israel and Abraham is the father of Isaac and Jacob. It's a family matter but because the Jews rejected their Father as their history had proved time and again in the Tribulation the two witnesses will make this clear and bring revival to the twelve tribes of Israel in Israel and scattered across the globe.

10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Jesus teaches His people the coming King prophesied to sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem. He teaches the Sovereignty of God over all Israel and her enemies. In order to have a King sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem the King must be victorious and this will happen when Jesus Messiah returns.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Due to Israel's refusal to accept the mark of the beast which affects their ability to buy and sell, Jesus teaches His people to seek God for their daily necessities such as food.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Jesus teaches Israel first that as two kingdoms of twelve tribes (ten northern two southern) who even in Jesus' day were still expressing animosity against each other, to forgive their hatred against each other and resolve their differences that resulted in many wars waged against each other after the death of Solomon.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.
Jesus teaches His people Israel to be strong in the LORD and the power of His Might.
Jesus teaches His people that only through commitment to God and obedience to the LORD can they life holy, righteous lives (be ye holy, for I am holy).
Jesus teaches His people to remember and be assured that God is the rightful ruler over all His creation and that although there may be times of great testing and trial God in the end will emerge totally victorious over all His enemies.

Amen. Mt 6:9–13.

The Lords prayer is showing the Kingdom of God has come, so all can believe in it, and that Gods will was now done on earth through the Son of God, our daily bread being the body He gave for all, how He delivered us from all evil of the false prophets.

The falling away was already existing in Israel in the rejection of their Messiah and King but those who have heard the gospel message of Israel's Messiah and witnessed the healings and all the good He did to and for His people remained faithful even unto death. This is the obedience God rewards.

The falling away is all the warnings we have for now, when men no longer follow the truth.



2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2 Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

 

[gordon777]

God still has many promises to fulfill towards His people Israel. One of those promises is the son of David to sit on David's throne in Jerusalem, defeat Israel's enemies, and bring an era of great prosperity and safety. If Israel is blotted out why would Christ sit on the throne of a people dead and rejected by God?

Christs Kingdom is not of this world.

Christ sat down on the right hand of power, all enemies defeated, ( the last enemy is death) and Christ is gone, into heaven, all powers are made subject to Him.


John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

But what many fail to know and understand is that the Great Congregation is found in the Old Testament, and this is the origin of the Church which continued leading up to and beyond Pentecost and continues to this day except that now for God's purposes He is bringing in Gentiles to fulfill His promise to Israel made in the Old Testament. Remember, the Gentile woman knew the Old Testament prophecies of Israel's Messiah and recognized that Jesus was their long-awaited Messiah and King, and that when Jesus told her He didn't come for Gentiles at that time and "to not take the children's bread and cast it to dogs," she replied, "truth, Lord, but the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table." Jesus replied, "Oh woman, GREAT is thy faith" because Jesus knew this woman being Gentile trusted in Israel's promised Messiah whom she recognized in the person of Jesus and although she knew that the whole loaf of bread will one day come also to the Gentiles, she only wanted a few crumbs now against that day.

The Lords salvation declared to the great congregation, ( not concealed from them)

The Lord showed His arm in the eyes of all the nations, all the ends of he earth saw the salvation of our God.




Psalm 40:10 I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.

Isaiah 52:10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.


Israel could not believe, their eyes were blinded.

Israel had the word of God spoken to them, they rejected it.

To confirm the Lord commanded the Apostles to be a light to the Gentiles, to be His salvation unto the ends of the world. ( the Lord bear HIs arm for salvation to the great congregation, His salvation, to the ends of the earth.)

Israel had heard, as the sound went into all the world. ( the great congregation is all who had NO CONCEALMENT.)



John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

 

[gordon777]

When Peter said this, he was speaking from his flesh as the inspiration of the Holy Spirit had not yet come. There is no mention in the above passages of Judas. This prophecy could be said of anyone.

When Peter spoke, He was speaking by the inspiration of God, because what Peter spoke is scripture.

Also, it is accurate, that Judas is cursed, ( the posterity of Judas is cut off, those cursed of him are cut off) and that is why he was replaced.

Cursing is for the whole nation of Israel. 9 Israel is under the curse of being cursed for not continuing in all the things of the law to do them.)



Psalm 37:22 For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.

Psalm 109:13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

Acts 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Besides, Judas was at the Passover meal and Jesus declared that His body and blood were given "for you" (the twelve sitting with Him at the PASS OVER meal.)
Judas was an apostle and was named an apostle of the Lord in Luke 6:12-13 and there are no called and elect apostles in hell.
Judas repented, confessed his sin and returned/rejected the 30 pieces of silver when he learned he was complicit in the condemnation and death of an innocent man (Jesus.) What was the reply of the religious leaders after they apprehended Jesus? They told Judas "See thou to that" which is to say, "you handle it."
What the priest with the witness of the people should have done as prescribed under the Law of Moses of life for life is take Judas outside the city and stone him. Instead they told him to "handle it yourself" and he did. He went out and hung himself in obedience to the Law.
The name of Judas will also be inscribed in the foundation of the wall of New Jerusalem along with the other eleven apostles for the term in Revelation 21 describes the names of the apostles of the LAMB and this dates their apostleship to the time when Jesus was on earth as the Lamb of God.

The same happened for Israel first, they were named to be the priest of the Lord forever, but that changed.

It changed because God rose Him up a faithful priest ( Christ the faithful witness)

Judas likewise was rejected. There is no place of repentance for those of the flesh. ( Hebrews 12:17)


1 Samuel 2:30 Wherefore the Lord God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the Lord saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

1 Samuel 2:35 And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever.

Do you even KNOW what the word "perdition" means?

Judas didn't purchase anything. He was dead. The priests were the ones to use the 30 pieces of silver to purchase a small plot of land in which to bury strangers and foreigners who die in Israel. The Jewish people usually had family plots in which to bury their dead. Abraham did this when Sarah died, and he was also buried there with her when his time came as well.

Judas purchased judgement, ( that is why it is called the field of blood) he received that for himself and all men of perdition.

Jesus Christ purchased HIs congregation, ( Psalm 74:2) the church of God with His own blood. ( that Judas betrayed.)


Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Do you even understand the "office" that Peter was leading his brethren to deal with in Acts 1:15-26?
Did you know that there was a window of about ten days from the ascension of Jesus until the coming of the Holy Spirit and that Jesus COMMANDED His disciples to "tarry" in Jerusalem until the Promise arrive? The word "tarry" means to "sit" [down] (and do nothing.) But what does Scripture say Peter did? He STOOD UP and officiated a meeting in which he was in disobedience to do. Jesus was on the earth for 40 days after His resurrection. If He wanted to replace Judas, He would have done it within that time. But Jesus doesn't 'replace' in the body of Christ, which is the Church, HE ADDS.

Tarry means to wait, Peter did as the Lord commanded, to wait patiently, to receive the promise of the Holly Ghost.

Hebrews 10, tells us to do as we saw all the Apostles of the Lord did faithfully, or we also would not receive the promise, if we do disobedience to God.



Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

And where does Scripture explicitly say his own place is?
As a Hebrew and in the Abrahamic Covenant and called and chosen by Christ, Judas' 'own place' would be at the table leaning on Abraham's bosom.

Judas did not do faithfully, and had his portion in this life.

When not of this world, as Christ, the place is heavenly places, which cant be Judas, who went to his own place.



Psalm 17:14 From men which are thy hand, O Lord, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes.

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Where in Scripture does it say Judas is blotted out?
Or are you making things up leaning on your own understanding in the vanity of your mind?

By your saying Judas was blotted out of the book of life when there is no Scripture that says this YOU are adding to the words of 'this' prophecy.
Careful your name isn't blotted out!

Judas is not written with the living, Judas is not blessed, but cursed, Judas was not forgiven, Judas is of perdition, with other ungodly men and the devil, who was in Judas as Judas has the devil as his father.



John 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

[gordon777]

That was in Israel's past and brought up by Paul to describe that God has Israel's back in the present and furture.

God still has promises to fulfill to Israel such as Messiah sitting on the throne of David.
It makes no sense for Israel to be blotted out and yet Jesus sits on David's throne in Jerusalem the Capital of Israel.
God is the God of the living and not the dead.

The past of Israels remnant, ( 7000) was the same as the time of Paul.


Romans 11:5 EVEN SO AT THIS PRESENT TIME also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[gordon777]

God still has promises to fulfill to Israel such as Messiah sitting on the throne of David.
It makes no sense for Israel to be blotted out and yet Jesus sits on David's throne in Jerusalem the Capital of Israel.
God is the God of the living and not the dead.

The Messiah sits on the throne, all the Gentiles believe it.

Not the Jerusalem that now is though.


Galatians 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.




All live unto God through faith, He does not need to sit on a throne of no faith to please the Jess of Israel. ( Gods throne is of faith only.)



Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[gordon777]

You miss the part of the fact that those words were spoken to a people already in the Covenant of God. Already saved. Even born again saved Christians disobey God from time to time.

Those of Israel not born of God disobey God from time to time.

Nobody in the law of Israel can believe that to love your neighbour as yourself, is fulfilling the law.

That is ONLY done by BELIEVING in the name of the Son of God Jesus Christ ( which all they of Israel deny) and that is believing on love, and loving one another, and the keeping ( not disobeying as Israel does from time to time) is dwelling in Christ, and Christ dwelling in them. ( born of God) through the Spirit of Christ given to us.




Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

 

[gordon777]

Jesus Christ is God's Lamb and was sacrificed for God's Chosen people Israel.
There was something called the Last Supper which is another way of saying PASS OVER.
Which is what they celebrated before sacrifice was made for God's Chosen people.

The Lord our passover was sacrificed for us. ( the church of God is not Israel any longer.)

Israel, even the whole nation is cursed.


Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.