What About Those In Non-Christian Lands Who Have Never Heard The Gospel?

[gordon777]

You have helped us to give the case for why Israel will never believe, if they cant be persuaded though one rose from the dead, neither will they hear Moses. ( who told Israel to hear that Prophet, but they never do.)

The vail is done away in Christ, not by any other claim anyone tries to make. ( not through 2 prophets, as only many false prophets rise to deceive many, but they are so easily answered on every word they try to say.)



Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

 

[gordon777]

So to sum up, Israel cursed, Judas and all men of perdition cursed, they left their name for a curse, and a new name is given which the mouth of the Lord named. ( we have life through HIs new name, named, not through the name of Israel, only one name blesses us in the earth.)

The world is blessed through the name of the Father, through he name of Jesus Christ, it is cursed through the name of Israel. ( who left their name as a curse. Isaiah 65:15.)



Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[jeremiah1five]

But it does say book,
Firstly there is everybodys names written in the book of life, we know this because Moses says about his name being blotted out as a sacrifice, but God answers how those who sin against Him will be blotted out of HIs book.
Psalms 69 confirms that, of Israel who persecuted the Son of God.
Exodus 32:32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
Exodus 32:33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Psalm 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

The book of life of the lamb slain (Rev. 13:8) is the book that has the names of all that Christ died for, that is, His Church. His Church began with the Great Congregation of the children of Israel and included Gentiles grafted in.
Moses was already in Covenant and God cannot and will not rescind His Promises and blot out one of His elect.
Those that sin against Him may be in Covenant, but the grace of the Abrahamic Covenant insures their eternal life.
Moses may have asked the Lord to be blotted out for his people's sake, but God didn't do it.
Again, Psalm 69 is a prayer that doesn't say if it was answered.

Christ gives all repentance, if they can convert from sins, then their sins are blotted out, by blotting out the handwriting of ordinances against us all. ( the seal on the book of life, which the Lamb opened.)

If God grants all repentance Acts 11:18, then all by definition of doctrine all will be saved, and this leads to universalism. This is not biblical. Repentance is a gift of God and includes confession, conversion, receiving the Holy Spirit, etc. All the graces of God.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Everywhere you see "blotting out" doesn't always refer to the book of life of the lamb slain. God cannot deny Himself if He writes the name of a person into the book of life of the lamb slain to receive eternal life and then blot them out later.

Christ calls us to overcome the world ( through faith/believing in HIs testimonies) and then our name is not blotted out of the book of life. ( the same as Moses spoke of Exodus 32, the book God had written, of life, or death to those not found written in it/blotted out.

Everyone saved will overcome. Conquerors.

Again the part is taken away ( blotted out) for those who take away from the sayings of the prophecy of the book.
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

If someone who is saved takes away from the words of 'this' prophecy or adds to it because of misunderstanding and holding to false belief through ignorance or straight up disobedience God shall take away his "part" out of the book of life and this can mean many things or one thing, but it is PART and not the whole. To speculate is tantamount to false belief without Scripture to rest faith on. The person that speculates is in danger of having their PART out of the book of life so be careful.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes it continues, Israel is still provoking the Lord to jealousy, by the abominations it commits until this day.

Ezekiel 8:3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.

Jesus Christ is the true witness who has destroyed the wisdom of the wise, the scribe and disputer is nowhere any more, the foolishness of the preaching of the cross saves them that believe, those who are called, BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES, have no stumblingblock and require no signs, ( of two witnesses, they believe in Christ the true witness.

With men of other tongues God spoke to the people of the Jews, yet for all they they would not believe. ( they wont believe in any two witnesses, if they cant believe in the true witness, Jesus Christ preached to the WORLD. 1 Timothy 3:16.)

They will believe and repent.
Christ "preached to the world" is where the twelve tribes were scattered. Christ sent His apostles to them in those lands to herald the coming of Israel's Messiah. If God scattered them and then sent His Son to Israel a great majority of them would not know living in faraway lands which is why He sent His apostles to search them out and share the news.
"To the world" of Gentiles came decades later. To the Jew first.

1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

1 Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

The prophets were until John, after that time the Kingdom of God is preached 9 Christ crucified which saves all that believe.)

Jesus said that from His perspective. But Christ was younger than John and actually the last Prophet of the Old Testament.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The Lords prayer is showing the Kingdom of God has come, so all can believe in it, and that Gods will was now done on earth through the Son of God, our daily bread being the body He gave for all, how He delivered us from all evil of the false prophets.

The Lord's Prayer is given to the Jews. It will also be useful when they go through the Time of Jacob's Troubles and refuse the mark of the beast thereby excluding them from buying and selling and must then rely totally upon God for resources.

The falling away is all the warnings we have for now, when men no longer follow the truth.

There are members here who do not follow the truth but lean on their own understanding in the vanity of their minds with their obstinance and hardheadedness in coming up with false doctrine and belief and rejecting the Word of God clearly written. Like those who reject the Scripture that the angels that sinned were locked up in chains of darkness to await judgment continue to believe and say Lucifer/Satan and his fallen angels are still on loosed on the earth.
Incredible.

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

As I just said above about the angels that sinned.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2 Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

As I said above about the angels that sinned.

 

[gordon777]

The book of life of the lamb slain (Rev. 13:8) is the book that has the names of all that Christ died for, that is, His Church. His Church began with the Great Congregation of the children of Israel and included Gentiles grafted in.
Moses was already in Covenant and God cannot and will not rescind His Promises and blot out one of His elect.
Those that sin against Him may be in Covenant, but the grace of the Abrahamic Covenant insures their eternal life.
Moses may have asked the Lord to be blotted out for his people's sake, but God didn't do it.
Again, Psalm 69 is a prayer that doesn't say if it was answered.

The great congregation is not Israel, they had the truth concerle3d from them.

Gentiles are grated into Christ, not into a blinded people.

Moses is not the house, we are.

Those born of Christ do not sin they love, the3rw is no love in the law for Israel.

People can and will be blotted out of the Lords book, all those of Israel who have sinned for 2000 years denying the Messiah.

Psalm 69 has to be answered, God does not do vanity.




Psalm 40:10 I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Hebrews 3:5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Ezekiel 12:25 For I am the Lord: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord God.

If God grants all repentance Acts 11:18, then all by definition of doctrine all will be saved, and this leads to universalism. This is not biblical. Repentance is a gift of God and includes confession, conversion, receiving the Holy Spirit, etc. All the graces of God.

God grants all repentance if they can convert from sins by believing that for them to not be blotted out of the book of life, their sins were blotted out instead by being nailed t the cross of Christ.

Everywhere you see "blotting out" doesn't always refer to the book of life of the lamb slain. God cannot deny Himself if He writes the name of a person into the book of life of the lamb slain to receive eternal life and then blot them out later.

Blotted out is always the book of life, as nothing else would matter.

Everyone saved will overcome. Conquerors.

If they endure to the end( overcome) they are saved. Christ loved to the end, endured to the end.



Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.


John 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

If someone who is saved takes away from the words of 'this' prophecy or adds to it because of misunderstanding and holding to false belief through ignorance or straight up disobedience God shall take away his "part" out of the book of life and this can mean many things or one thing, but it is PART and not the whole. To speculate is tantamount to false belief without Scripture to rest faith on. The person that speculates is in danger of having their PART out of the book of life so be careful.

Their part in the book of life is taken out and plagues are added to them also.


Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

 

[gordon777]

They will believe and repent.
Christ "preached to the world" is where the twelve tribes were scattered. Christ sent His apostles to them in those lands to herald the coming of Israel's Messiah. If God scattered them and then sent His Son to Israel a great majority of them would not know living in faraway lands which is why He sent His apostles to search them out and share the news.
"To the world" of Gentiles came decades later. To the Jew first.

Israel does not believe, does not repent, instead it kills, it rejects, it turns to vanity, there was no remedy from the warners, there wont ever be too.


2 Chronicles 36:16 But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against his people, till there was no remedy.

Jesus said that from His perspective. But Christ was younger than John and actually the last Prophet of the Old Testament.

The prophets were until John, after this the Gospel was preached, two witnesses wont give a better messaqge then Jesus Christ. ( the faithful witness)

The Lord's Prayer is given to the Jews. It will also be useful when they go through the Time of Jacob's Troubles and refuse the mark of the beast thereby excluding them from buying and selling and must then rely totally upon God for resources.

The Lords prayer is fulfilment of the Messiah, as Jesus said to the Jews..


John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Like those who reject the Scripture that the angels that sinned were locked up in chains of darkness to await judgment continue to believe and say Lucifer/Satan and his fallen angels are still on loosed on the earth.
Incredible.

Yes was loosed for a little season.


Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[gordon777]

I wonder why you think you have anything useful to share, when all that is being done, is sharing answers for your disputes.

This is what is told when anyone does not accept the wholesome words of our Lord Jesus Christ..



1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

 

[gordon777]

The disputers are through, the wisdom of this world is foolishness, nobody like that can believe, in any land on earth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Christs Kingdom is not of this world.
Christ sat down on the right hand of power, all enemies defeated, ( the last enemy is death) and Christ is gone, into heaven, all powers are made subject to Him.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
The Lords salvation declared to the great congregation, ( not concealed from them)
The Lord showed His arm in the eyes of all the nations, all the ends of he earth saw the salvation of our God.
Psalm 40:10 I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.
Isaiah 52:10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

Israel could not believe, their eyes were blinded.
Israel had the word of God spoken to them, they rejected it.

But God has not rejected Israel:

5 Fear not: for I am with thee:
I will bring thy seed from the east,
And gather thee from the west;
6 I will say to the north, Give up;
And to the south, Keep not back:
Bring my sons from far,
And my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7 Even every one that is called by my name:
For sI have created him for my glory,
I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Is 43:5–7.

This hasn't happen yet.


But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob,
And he that formed thee, O Israel,
pFear not: for I have redeemed thee,
I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee;
And through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee:
hWhen thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned;
Neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
3 For I am the LORD thy God,
The Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour:
Is 43:1–3.

This is still yet future.

To confirm the Lord commanded the Apostles to be a light to the Gentiles, to be His salvation unto the ends of the world. ( the Lord bear HIs arm for salvation to the great congregation, His salvation, to the ends of the earth.)
Israel had heard, as the sound went into all the world. ( the great congregation is all who had NO CONCEALMENT.)
John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob,
And he that formed thee, O Israel,
Fear not: for I have redeemed thee,
I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee;
And through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee:
When thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned;
Neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
3 For I am the LORD thy God,
The Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour:
Is 43:1–3.

God still has promises yet to fulfill towards His Chosen people Israel.

 

[gordon777]

But God has not rejected Israel:

5 Fear not: for I am with thee:
I will bring thy seed from the east,
And gather thee from the west;
6 I will say to the north, Give up;
And to the south, Keep not back:
Bring my sons from far,
And my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7 Even every one that is called by my name:
For sI have created him for my glory,
I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Is 43:5–7.

This hasn't happen yet.


But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob,
And he that formed thee, O Israel,
pFear not: for I have redeemed thee,
I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee;
And through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee:
hWhen thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned;
Neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
3 For I am the LORD thy God,
The Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour:
Is 43:1–3.

Israel is saved, who are not of the flesh


Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[gordon777]

This is still yet future.


But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob,
And he that formed thee, O Israel,
Fear not: for I have redeemed thee,
I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee;
And through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee:
When thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned;
Neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
3 For I am the LORD thy God,
The Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour:
Is 43:1–3.

God still has promises yet to fulfill towards His Chosen people Israel.

The redemption is done, so is their speaking lies about God, though He had redeemed them.


Hosea 7:13 Woe unto them! for they have fled from me: destruction unto them! because they have transgressed against me: though I have redeemed them, yet they have spoken lies against me.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

 

[gordon777]

Any useful claims, or only too easy to answer ones ?

Israel has what the world has, redemption though the blood of Christ, it has nothing new from anyone else.


They did not and do not believe in neither the prophets, Moses nor Christ.

 

[jeremiah1five]

When Peter spoke, He was speaking by the inspiration of God, because what Peter spoke is scripture.

The Holy Spirit rested on Jesus since His baptism. He also said that He could not send the Holy Spirit until He left.

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Jn 16:7.

And no, Jesus breathing on them does not mean they received the Spirit because Jesus said that "if I go not away the Holy Spirit will not come," and that 'coming' occurred on the Day of Pentecost Acts 2 AFTER Peter did his thing in Acts 1:15-26. Peter was in the flesh when he officated that meeting with the other disciples. Totally in the flesh and he was without inspiration and guidance and was in error to do what he did.

Also, it is accurate, that Judas is cursed, ( the posterity of Judas is cut off, those cursed of him are cut off) and that is why he was replaced.
Cursing is for the whole nation of Israel. 9 Israel is under the curse of being cursed for not continuing in all the things of the law to do them.)

Jesus named Judas apostle (Lk. 6:12-13 and there are no apostles of the Lamb in hell.
Israel is the apple of God's eye and His Bride. The Gentile Church of today is grafted in but the original Church is the Great Congregation of Israel.

5 For thy Maker is thine husband; (meaning Israel is His Bride.)
The LORD of hosts is his name;
And thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel;
The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit,
And a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee;
But with great mercies will I gather thee.
8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment;
But with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee,
Saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
Is 54:5–8.

Psalm 37:22 For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
Psalm 109:13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.
Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

You're doing what Peter did and that was misapplication of Scripture. He did it without the Holy Spirit, but I can't call your situation, but you are copying him. Same error.

Acts 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Peter is in error because the Lord from the Mount of Olives commanded the disciples to go back to Jerusalem and "tarry" which the Greek word means to "sit" and WAIT and do nothing (Lk. 24:49), but as Scripture shows in Acts 1:15 Peter STOOD UP (to officiate a meeting.) Jesus was on the earth for forty days after His resurrection until His Ascension and had ample time to appoint a replacement for Judas, but the Lord doesn't replace in His Church He ADDS (Acts 2:47.)

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

There is nothing the Psalms where Peter is quoting about Judas. Again, brother Pete was in the flesh and in error.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

I agree. But Judas "saw" his sin of Jesus being condemned and repented by bringing back the money and throwing it down in the Temple, he confessed and when the priests should have taken him out of the city with the people in tow and stone him for being complicit in the death of an innocent man as per the Law of life for life they told him to "see thou to that" which in our language today means "You handle it." He did. He went out and hung himself in obedience to the Law of Moses. He should've been stoned by the priests didn't care. They had the man they really wanted: Jesus.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The same happened for Israel first, they were named to be the priest of the Lord forever, but that changed.
It changed because God rose Him up a faithful priest ( Christ the faithful witness)
Judas likewise was rejected. There is no place of repentance for those of the flesh. ( Hebrews 12:17)

Those of the flesh was Peter and the rest of the eleven disciples.

1 Samuel 2:30 Wherefore the Lord God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the Lord saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.
1 Samuel 2:35 And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever.
Judas purchased judgement, ( that is why it is called the field of blood) he received that for himself and all men of perdition.

Do you know what the word "perdition" even means?

Jesus Christ purchased HIs congregation, ( Psalm 74:2) the church of God with His own blood. ( that Judas betrayed.)

Yes, and that Church is Israel Gentiles are grafted into the Great Congregation of the elect Israel.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Tarry means to wait, Peter did as the Lord commanded, to wait patiently, to receive the promise of the Holly Ghost.

Yes, but he didn't wait. The Holy Spirit didn't arrive until days later.

Hebrews 10, tells us to do as we saw all the Apostles of the Lord did faithfully, or we also would not receive the promise, if we do disobedience to God.

Judas was obedient to the Law of Moses and did what was the only thing left to him since the priests wouldn't stone him, he went out and handled it himself in obedience the Law of Moses.

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
Judas did not do faithfully, and had his portion in this life.
When not of this world, as Christ, the place is heavenly places, which cant be Judas, who went to his own place.
Psalm 17:14 From men which are thy hand, O Lord, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes.
Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Judas is not written with the living, Judas is not blessed, but cursed, Judas was not forgiven, Judas is of perdition, with other ungodly men and the devil, who was in Judas as Judas has the devil as his father.

You post a lot of Scripture but you really don't know what they mean or how and when they are applied.
Judas is elect, was called of Christ, named apostle, and was obedient to God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The past of Israels remnant, ( 7000) was the same as the time of Paul.


Romans 11:5 EVEN SO AT THIS PRESENT TIME also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Paul is using the 'remnant' in the OT as an example. He doesn't know the exact number, and the exact number according to the election of grace is far more than 7000.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Messiah sits on the throne, all the Gentiles believe it.
Not the Jerusalem that now is though.
Galatians 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

All live unto God through faith, He does not need to sit on a throne of no faith to please the Jess of Israel. ( Gods throne is of faith only.)
Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

You post Scripture but don't fully understand it and its application in context to the subject.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Those of Israel not born of God disobey God from time to time.

Same as Christians in the past and today.

Nobody in the law of Israel can believe that to love your neighbour as yourself, is fulfilling the law.

Israel received that command and know more than you what it means and its application.

That is ONLY done by BELIEVING in the name of the Son of God Jesus Christ ( which all they of Israel deny) and that is believing on love, and loving one another, and the keeping ( not disobeying as Israel does from time to time) is dwelling in Christ, and Christ dwelling in them. ( born of God) through the Spirit of Christ given to us.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Do you know the original command to Israel from God where it is located in Scripture without searching?

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Lord our passover was sacrificed for us. ( the church of God is not Israel any longer.)
Israel, even the whole nation is cursed.

Because you do not know OT history you believe in the heresy of Replacement Theology.

Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Replacement Theology is the belief of those ignorant of OT history.

 

[gordon777]

The Holy Spirit rested on Jesus since His baptism. He also said that He could not send the Holy Spirit until He left.

You claim Peter was disobedient, Jesus shows they were obedient, and kept the word of God.


John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

And no, Jesus breathing on them does not mean they received the Spirit because Jesus said that "if I go not away the Holy Spirit will not come," and that 'coming' occurred on the Day of Pentecost Acts 2 AFTER Peter did his thing in Acts 1:15-26. Peter was in the flesh when he officated that meeting with the other disciples. Totally in the flesh and he was without inspiration and guidance and was in error to do what he did.

Peter was with inspiration and guidance, because they believed in the name manifested to them, and Jesus kept them in His name, so they do not disobey and be lost as Judas was lost for that error.


John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Jesus named Judas apostle (Lk. 6:12-13 and there are no apostles of the Lamb in hell.
Israel is the apple of God's eye and His Bride. The Gentile Church of today is grafted in but the original Church is the Great Congregation of Israel.

5 For thy Maker is thine husband; (meaning Israel is His Bride.)
The LORD of hosts is his name;
And thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel;
The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit,
And a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee;
But with great mercies will I gather thee.
8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment;
But with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee,
Saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
Is 54:5–8.

Judas was an Apostle, then he fall from that position, ( down to hell)

Judas was replaced, nothing shows forgiveness for Judas, as it was better he was never born, same is said for all who blaspheme Christ...

Matthew 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

Luke 22:22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.




Now Israel has to be grafted in again, because they are completely out, the same as the Gentiles were completely out, but they became completely in while Israel completely out. ( but only if they abide not still in unbelief, which they have to be, as they only believe through signs, not through the cross.


John 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Peter is in error because the Lord from the Mount of Olives commanded the disciples to go back to Jerusalem and "tarry" which the Greek word means to "sit" and WAIT and do nothing (Lk. 24:49), but as Scripture shows in Acts 1:15 Peter STOOD UP (to officiate a meeting.) Jesus was on the earth for forty days after His resurrection until His Ascension and had ample time to appoint a replacement for Judas, but the Lord doesn't replace in His Church He ADDS (Acts 2:47.)

Peter does as the Lord commanded always, and to confirm that in the same Acts 1, they pray to the Lord and the Lord answers their prayer.

I showed you also how the Apostles, ( not Judas.) were kept in the name of the Lord, and they kept His word.

Below is another confirmation, that the prayer Peter makes to the Lord is answered right away by the Lord, which proves the faith of 1 John 3:22, they indeed received o the Lord as all of he world can see, BECAUSE THEY KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. ( not as you claim that Peter did not keep, that is against the testimony and truth, and is revealed now anyway.)



Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

 

[gordon777]

I agree. But Judas "saw" his sin of Jesus being condemned and repented by bringing back the money and throwing it down in the Temple, he confessed and when the priests should have taken him out of the city with the people in tow and stone him for being complicit in the death of an innocent man as per the Law of life for life they told him to "see thou to that" which in our language today means "You handle it." He did. He went out and hung himself in obedience to the Law of Moses. He should've been stoned by the priests didn't care. They had the man they really wanted: Jesus.

Scripture says Judas repented himself, not that God gave repentance to Judas, the same as taught for those in the law, who pray to themselves only. ( Judas cant be heard, he is one who does not as as pleases the Lord, does not keep HIs word.)


John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Luke 18:11
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

Matthew 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

Those of the flesh was Peter and the rest of the eleven disciples.

Jesus chose Peter and the other ten Apostles, who were not of the world, even as Christ was not of the world. ( Judas was the chosen devil, and not even as Christ, as the devil is nothing like Christ who was Judas.)

Jesus prays to keep the Apostles from the evil. ( not Judas as Jesus DOES NOT PRAY FOR THOSE OF THE WORLD.)

Judas could not be kept from the evil, the evil was in him and he was of the world, not chosen out of it, but was chosen as a devil.



John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?


John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.



The Apostles, Apostle Paul too, speak how they do not have fleshy wisdom, when they had their conversation in the world. ( before Jesus has chosen is out of the world, we have fleshy wisdom, after this it is the wisdom of God, it cant be the same wisdom.)



2 Corinthians 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.



Galatians and the old testament make it clear, Ismael is the one born after the flesh, ( of the world.) but Isaac was born after promise. ( chosen by God out of the world as his father Abraham was.)

Israel is exhorted to look unto Abraham, as he was called alone of God. ( so they would not look in the flesh and of the world.)

Those who were born after the flesh ( who are of this world) persecute those born after the Spirit, ( of the promise and not of the world.) as we saw in Isaac, from Ishmael.

This manifests the children of God from the children of the devil. Cain we see is of the flesh, of the world, murders his brother, but those as Abel, believe in the works of righteousness. ( faith, which is not of flesh.)



Isaiah 51:2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.

Galatians 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.


Galatians 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

 

[gordon777]

Yes, and that Church is Israel Gentiles are grafted into the Great Congregation of the elect Israel.

The great congregation is Gentiles only, they had no concealment done on them, it cant be Israel as they were blinded.


Psalm 40:10 I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.


John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Yes, but he didn't wait. The Holy Spirit didn't arrive until days later.

Peter had to obey the commandments of God, or would not have his prayer answered in Acts 1.

Judas was obedient to the Law of Moses and did what was the only thing left to him since the priests wouldn't stone him, he went out and handled it himself in obedience the Law of Moses.

Which proves Judas was not of Christ and had NO FAITH, as the law brought us to Christ, or we are still not in Christ and have a school master when we follow the law.



Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Judas is elect, was called of Christ, named apostle, and was obedient to God.

Judas is a weak case of being elect, and has the same case as the devil, fallen from heaven, had a name that he lived and was dead, ( Isaiah 14:12. as Revelation 3:1.)

Obedience to God is not betraying Him to death, this is the princes of this world who come to nothing.


1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.