What annoys you?

[jasonc]

You can't ignore how the Spanish treated Indians in the name of Christ ,or why Indians refer to Jesus as a white mans religion.

St.Augustine has its 500 plus year commeration coming up.the Seminole issued an interesting but true statement on the way ponce and even worse how Andrew Jackson treated them and the other tribes.

 

[Corn Pop]

When we go back to the most authentic and trusted sources of Christianity available, the new testament gospel, we know what it teaches. That's the foundation, not some idiots centuries later.

 

[for_his_glory]

What annoys me the most is ignorance of others who refuse knowledge as they are to set in their worldly ways not knowing how harmful it might become to them.

Another thing that annoys me at times is my cat. You can train a dog, but a cat trains you, oy vey

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

What annoys me the most is ignorance of others who refuse knowledge as they are to set in their worldly ways not knowing how harmful it might become to them.

Another thing that annoys me at times is my cat. You can train a dog, but a cat trains you, oy vey

That is very true and let's just get one thing out in the open here. We both know that we annoy each other sometimes,.. but we're sisters so it sort of comes with the job description.

 

[Corn Pop]

,or why Indians refer to Jesus as a white mans religion.

Say something about Islam if your white and your apparently racist, even the prophet of Islam was a white man.

 

[for_his_glory]

That is very true and let's just get one thing out in the open here. We both know that we annoy each other sometimes,.. but we're sisters so it sort of comes with the job description.

This was not directed at you personally, but people in general so don't take it personal as I know you get annoyed with me when I point things out to you in the scriptures. We will always be sisters

 

[jasonc]

Or why leftists refer to Islam as a brown man's religion. Say something about Islam if your white and your apparently racist, even the prophet of Islam was a white man who bought, sold, owned, and traded black African slaves, refered to a black man as looking like satan, and called only black dogs the devil. Mohammad seemed to have something with the Color black.

On a side note, I wonder why the KKKs handbook is called the kloran. They burn crosses so they can't be Christians. Did they convert.

my understanding is that mohammed was an arab, which are hardly white, but olive skinned.

 

[Corn Pop]

my understanding is that mohammed was an arab, which are hardly white, but olive skinned.

I just go on what islams own most trusted and authentic sources say. According to islams own sources and his companions he was a white man.

 

[jasonc]

that's a first, a non arab when most claim islam was started by an arab. of course there are light skinned arabs. I have one for a boss who is egyptain and arabic in name, yet not tan at all but has the olive skin features. when he does tan he will look olive skinned. I think that is the case here.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

Just the general view of christians and Christianity is a start. We can start easy.

Not sure how many Hollywood moves there are that don't contain the words "Jesus Christ" or "god damn" or "holy S----" and how often it's used in general because it brainwashes the masses and half the country mindlessly blasphemes. Of course it's suppose to be offensive towards Christians. You don't hear it about Buddah or some Sikh guru. Only Christianity. It's purpose blasphemy.

Could you imagine in a Islamic country if someone blasphemed allah or Mohammuds name , exactly it wouldn't happen, probably because they would be publically executed and know it.

That is hardly persecution. Heck, the president says "G_d d_mn" with the cameras rolling.
I don't think we have a very high standard of what constitutes persecution.

 

[Corn Pop]

that's a first, a non arab when most claim islam was started by an arab. of course there are light skinned arabs. I have one for a boss who is egyptain and arabic in name, yet not tan at all but has the olive skin features. when he does tan he will look olive skinned. I think that is the case here.

But islams sources go out of there way to remind us how white Mohammad was.

 

[jasonc]

But islams sources go out of there way to remind us how white Mohammad was, remember, the whiteness of his legs, the whiteness of his arms, the whiteness of his cheeks, the whiteness of his armpits, the whiteness of his face, the whiteness just continues. He seemed to be just so white.

you do know that white to islam and also Judaism and Christianity implies holiness. they also have the idea of doves symbolizing peace. the spanish have a mosque built by the moors(not at all arabs but are muslims) who painted a few doves inside the top of the rotunda and also on the roof of alahambra. which influences many of the spanish buildings today still. i have posted a few local ones that have that. i think i will change my avatar to one.

 

[Corn Pop]

you do know that white to islam and also Judaism and Christianity implies holiness. they also have the idea of doves symbolizing peace. the spanish have a mosque built by the moors(not at all arabs but are muslims) who painted a few doves inside the top of the rotunda and also on the roof of alahambra. which influences many of the spanish buildings today still. i have posted a few local ones that have that. i think i will change my avatar to one.

Well if thats the case islam should modify there most trusted sources to say "holy" or "pure", because I only go on what the sources say. If it says he was a white man he's a white man not a pure man. His arm is pure?, His leg is pure?. What about the big mole on his back?

But it's not talking spiritual pure or holy, it's talking about his features and the color of his body. His arms, legs, cheeks, face, and so on. Mohammad was not some glowing angel.

His companions were Arab and referred to him as a white man.

 

[jasonc]

Well if thats the case islam should modify there most trusted sources to say "holy" or "pure", because I only go on what the sources say. If it says he was a white man he's a white man not a pure man.

But it's not talking spiritual pure or holy, it's talking about his features and the color of his body. His arms, legs, cheeks, face, and so on. Mohammad was not some glowing angel.

It doesn't say the brown man over there. It says the white man.

they may disagree, given how they describe him. im not that knowledgable of Arabic cultures outside of what I have seen and also have read up on .

 

[Corn Pop]

 

[Corn Pop]

That is hardly persecution. Heck, the president says "G_d d_mn" with the cameras rolling.
I don't think we have a very high standard of what constitutes persecution.

As a Christian everytime I hear I words "Jesus Christ", g-d damn, or "holy S----" it is an attack on my faith and offensive. That is a form of persecution because your faith is being attacked. I'm just a tolerant person who believes in free speech so I don't flip out. Why would people offend other peoples religion. Damning god is offensive, using Jesus name in vain is offensive, calling the holy spirit "S----" is offensive towards the Christian religion.

G-d damn
Jesus Christ!
Holy s---

The Trinity of blasphemy.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

From what I have come to understand, the pilgrims came over to what we now know as the USA to flee the persecution they had faced back in the Old World. They brought their beliefs in God with them of course. On the Mayflower the pilgrims had written the Mayflower Compact, which was more of a covenant with Puritan beliefs as how to deal with conflicts and such. From what I have heard the original Mayflower Compact was lost, but the closest we have to it is Mourt's Relation in the 1600's as an account of the event by Edward Winslow and William Bradford and it says:
In the name of God, Amen. We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign lord King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland King, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, covenant, and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic, for our better ordering and preservation, and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, offices from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony: unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names; Cape Cod, the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our sovereign lord King James, of England, France and Ireland eighteenth and of Scotland fifty-fourth, Anno Domini 1620


There is also a unique statue that was finished in 1889 called the National Monument to the Forefathers. This monument is in Plymouth, Massachusetts. It was inspired by the pilgrims ideals of a functioning society, which includes the key elements Faith, Morality, Education, Law, and Liberty. It is beautifully done and pretty impressive!

It was actually the US Congress that approved the purchase and distribution of The Holy Bible in schools. Many of these Bibles had a US government stamp inside and are protected books today.

In 1787: Article 3 of the Northwest Ordinance directs the people of the territories to establish schools "to teach religion, morality, and knowledge.” Nearly every state admitted to the Union after this has written in their State Constitution wording that the schools are to teach morality and religion and they all use the Bible as the bases for their teachings.

1920: The ACLU is founded by Alex Baldwin an atheist Marxist. ACLU is cosely connected to Communist Party.

1962: Supreme Court rules that children may not recite a state written prayer in school (Engel v. Vitale). ACLU lawyers will be involved in virtually every case to remove God from American society. This includes removing Ten Commandment Monuments, Crosses, Manger Scenes, Celebrating Christmas in Public Schools, the National Motto "In God We Trust, etc.

1963: An ACLU Lawyer takes the School Prayer case to Supreme Court which bans individual school prayer (Murry v. Curlett). At the same time devotional Bible reading in public schools is outlawed (Abington Township School District v. Schempp).


All in all, I do believe that the United States of America was a Christian nation founded on beliefs in God. Our nation as a general statement has drifted quite a bit from God's laws. Yes, we still have many genuine brothers and sisters in Christ here and we shouldn't forget the many good values that this country once had and steered away from.

I strongly recommend Kirk Cameron's movie, Monumental. It has wonderful insight into this topic.

I recommend the book"Was America Founded as a Christian Nation" by Dr John Fea a historian and Christian who teaches history at a Christian college. And a book "Sacred Liberty" on the history of the freedom of religion in America.
Just one can take selected events from different places, done by different people, and place them on a timeline, that doesn't mean one led to another in reality. The historic picture of America is a little less pristine than some explain it.
The real force in the Massachusetts colony wasn't the pilgrims. It was the puritans. The puritans left England because they felt the Church of England wasn't true and they wanted to make for a more pure faith.
We know how they felt about "witches". They didn't like anyone but themselves. Quakers could be hung, after being whipped and their ears cut off. The puritans became known as Congregationalists.
That was New England. New York was predominantly Dutch Reformed.
Pennsylvania was probably the most tolerant of colonies. Philadelphia had the only Catholic Church. Catholics were ostracized or kept out of a lot of the privileges others had. Maryland began as a catholic colony but became Protestant early on.
The southern colonies, Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia were mostly fine with the Church of England.
In all colonies the government and church were essentially the same thing. But for inhabitants of "other" religious sects things were not easy.
Before the Revolution in Virginia for instance marriage ceremonies performed by baptist preachers were not legal.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

This was not directed at you personally, but people in general so don't take it personal as I know you get annoyed with me when I point things out to you in the scriptures. We will always be sisters

I know, I didn't take it personally, I was just sort of roasting you but I was doing it out of love and fun. :P Like I said sisters are supposed to fight, it's our job,.. but we love each other anyways.

 

[Corn Pop]

Your 1st amendment seems to clearly state the USA is not a Christian country. The majority might claim to be of Christian faith, but it's not a Christian country.

"no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Not a Christian country.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

Your 1st amendment seems to clearly state the USA is not a Christian country. The majority might claim to be of Christian faith, but it's not a Christian country.

"no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Not a Christian country.

While it is true that those words you quoted are found in the First Ammendment, this is not what they mean.

It does say, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

In context, it means that those with religious beliefs the freedom to practice their beliefs without interference from the government. This is to help avoid the issue of a state run/government run church as was seen back in England. This of course also includes freedom of speech and of the press as well as peaceful protests.

What I am saying was America did have a lot of Christian/Protestant/Beliefs in God in early history. As we know beliefs in God affect all that we do in our daily lives and it was there once upon a time.