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Davies said:
Grazer and farouk,

This is what Faithful said of Shame.

Faithful. "What! Why he objected against religion itself; he said it was a pitiful, low, sneaking business for a man to mind religion; he said that a tender conscience was an unmanly thing, and that for man to watch over his words and ways, so as to tie up himself from that hectoring liberty that the brave spirits of the times accustom themselves unto, would make him the ridicule of the times. He objected also that but few of the mighty, rich, or wise were ever of my opinion; nor any of them neither before thy were persuaded to be fools and to be of a voluntary fondness to venture the loss of all, for nobody else knows what. - John Bunyan, The Pilgrim's Progress.

I personally think telling someone not to get hung up over what would stumble a weaker brother is shameful and without love. Those who struggle and have struggled in the past over pornography, as some of Victoria Frances' art is, know what I'm talking about.

- Davies
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And I'm one of those people who have (and occasionally still does) struggle with pornography. But I'm not going to elaborate further as its linked to why I posted this.

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Davies said:
Grazer and farouk,

This is what Faithful said of Shame.

Faithful. "What! Why he objected against religion itself; he said it was a pitiful, low, sneaking business for a man to mind religion; he said that a tender conscience was an unmanly thing, and that for man to watch over his words and ways, so as to tie up himself from that hectoring liberty that the brave spirits of the times accustom themselves unto, would make him the ridicule of the times. He objected also that but few of the mighty, rich, or wise were ever of my opinion; nor any of them neither before thy were persuaded to be fools and to be of a voluntary fondness to venture the loss of all, for nobody else knows what. - John Bunyan, The Pilgrim's Progress.

I personally think telling someone not to get hung up over what would stumble a weaker brother is shameful and without love. Those who struggle and have struggled in the past over pornography, as some of Victoria Frances' art is, know what I'm talking about.

- Davies
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Davies:

I think you know no offence was intended. All I say is, just travel to other countries without presuppositions and you'll realize that North American culture (even, the culture of certain North American churches) is not necessarily a universal thing.

In fact, how many Christians' weddings would you have to avoid going to, 'in case' the necklines were not what you preferred? how many nieces' wedding photos would you refuse to look at, etc.?

(In fact, several people posted their impressions, above, and you were the first even to mention the neckline.)

Blessings.
 
I can see how the neckline might be an issue and a stumbling block. I noticed it all right, but me being a woman it didn't bother me. (Although I personally wouldn't wear something with a neckline that low.)
 
questdriven said:
I can see how the neckline might be an issue and a stumbling block. I noticed it all right, but me being a woman it didn't bother me. (Although I personally wouldn't wear something with a neckline that low.)
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questdriven: I didn't even notice.

(Not until Davies talked about it.)

People: I'm not advocating such necklines; just be aware, though, that if one were to go round churches of Godly Christians outside North America and made this kind of thing a criterion to judge sisters in the Lord, then you would end up with all sorts of odd situations.

(Remember: in the letters to the seven churches of Asia, in Revelation, it was only to the one that considered itself to be so correct that the Lord threatened to remove the candlestick of testimony.)

I've probably said enough here.
 
When I opened the image, I saw fantasy art depicting a fairy showing too much cleavage.
I guess the black clothes and cleavage kept me from seeing an angle.

Be blessed.

Toby
 
I've just ordered this picture as a poster for a friend for Christmas. She's into this kind of imagery :)

It's her that's partly the inspiration for this.

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Davies (or anyone) - on a tangent but still related. What about this gentleman?

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Hi Grazer,

If this man is crazy, then I hope it's unto to the Lord, but if he has a sound mind, then what he says would be to my benefit.
2 Corinthians 5:13

New King James Version (NKJV)

<sup class="versenum">13 </sup>For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; or if we are of sound mind, it is for you.



- Davies
 
Davies said:
Hi Grazer,

If this man is crazy, then I hope it's unto to the Lord, but if he has a sound mind, then what he says would be to my benefit.
2 Corinthians 5:13

New King James Version (NKJV)

<sup class="versenum">13 </sup>For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; or if we are of sound mind, it is for you.



- Davies
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http://www.iamsecond.com/seconds/brian-welch/

I highly recommend watching this

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farouk said:
Davies:

I think you know no offence was intended. All I say is, just travel to other countries without presuppositions and you'll realize that North American culture (even, the culture of certain North American churches) is not necessarily a universal thing.

In fact, how many Christians' weddings would you have to avoid going to, 'in case' the necklines were not what you preferred? how many nieces' wedding photos would you refuse to look at, etc.?

(In fact, several people posted their impressions, above, and you were the first even to mention the neckline.)

Blessings.
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Perhaps the depiction was of someone from one of those countries where the culture determines right and wrong.

- Davies
 
Grazer said:
My fiance and I looked at a picture and saw 2 very different things and had 2 very different reactions to it. This got me thinking so I'd like to try it here. I'm not looking for a debate, there are no right or wrong answers, all I'd like you to do is look at the picture then write down what immediately comes to mind;

What do you see, how does it make you feel, does it remind you of anything; anything that comes to mind when you first see it.

Then I'd like you to look at it for 2 minutes. Has anything changed, has your reaction changed, do you see anything different in it? You can pray about it during these 2 minutes, you don't have to. Write down if anything changed. You can be as poetic as you want :)

There is a point to this which I will detail later and I thank you in advance for your participation :)

Ok...picture can be found at http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae50/TDSS/experiment.jpg
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Well, being a "dirty ol' man" (not that old yet) I think my first impression is sensual for obvious reasons (at least I'm alive yet) :lol

Then when I reopen it and study it for awhile, my feelings don't change as she's a very attractive young woman, but analyzing it somewhat I suppose she's contemplative.

The religious symbolism such as the cross she's wearing and the (possible) manifestation of wings like an angel in the background do nothing for me, and I am not sure how that relates to what I perceive is her demeanor.
 
Grazer, on the second picture I see a man with blank eyes with no emotion. I always look at the eyes first in a person as to me they are a mirror to the soul. The outside appearance can also be a reflection of the mans essence through the artwork and hair style of what his inner being is trying to portray or present to others that look upon him. Or it just could be he likes the artwork and truly has no meaning, but only that of art. No one can actually judge this man or the other pic of the women without truly knowing who they are deep down inside, and then again who are we to judge anyone, except by the fruits they display.
 
for_his_glory said:
Grazer, on the second picture I see a man with blank eyes with no emotion. I always look at the eyes first in a person as to me they are a mirror to the soul. The outside appearance can also be a reflection of the mans essence through the artwork and hair style of what his inner being is trying to portray or present to others that look upon him. Or it just could be he likes the artwork and truly has no meaning, but only that of art. No one can actually judge this man or the other pic of the women without truly knowing who they are deep down inside, and then again who are we to judge anyone, except by the fruits they display.
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for his glory:

I think some of the man's tattoos are faith based, right?

Re. the other picture, which is a drawing anyway, I actually didn't even notice the neckline, until other folk started saying it was problematic to them.

You are absolutely right about the fruits being the key; the Lord Jesus said: 'By their fruits ye shall know them'.

Blessings.
 
With regard to the man, I know Welch's story, so I won't give anything away. I hope that didn't give it away in of itself. I will speculate that those probably aren't faith based tattoos.

As for the picture in the OP and the discussion that followed, I have to side with Davies, although we could probably point out some classic artwork depicting biblical events that shows as much cleavage; even more in some cases. In this case, it was more seductive, IMO.
 
farouk said:
questdriven: I didn't even notice.

(Not until Davies talked about it.)

People: I'm not advocating such necklines; just be aware, though, that if one were to go round churches of Godly Christians outside North America and made this kind of thing a criterion to judge sisters in the Lord, then you would end up with all sorts of odd situations.

(Remember: in the letters to the seven churches of Asia, in Revelation, it was only to the one that considered itself to be so correct that the Lord threatened to remove the candlestick of testimony.)

I've probably said enough here.
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True.

To clarify, I did notice as I said, but didn't really think twice about it. (It wouldn't bother me, myself, unless I was the one wearing it. In which case I would feel very awkward and get into some different clothes ASAP. xD)
 
Mike said:
With regard to the man, I know Welch's story, so I won't give anything away. I hope that didn't give it away in of itself. I will speculate that those probably aren't faith based tattoos.

As for the picture in the OP and the discussion that followed, I have to side with Davies, although we could probably point out some classic artwork depicting biblical events that shows as much cleavage; even more in some cases. In this case, it was more seductive, IMO.
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Mike:

Well, okay.

I never heard of Welch; and I didn't particularly notice the neckline; I guess I'm done with finding anything more to say to this thread, really.

Blessings.
 
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Grazer said:
Davies (or anyone) - on a tangent but still related. What about this gentleman?

brian_welch.jpg


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I don't have a bad feeling about him, looking into his eyes. I think I like the guy. His right facial features look a little drooped, like he has/had Bell's Palsy. Take it from an expert here who had it on the same side of the face twice.
 
Mike said:
As for the picture in the OP and the discussion that followed, I have to side with Davies, although we could probably point out some classic artwork depicting biblical events that shows as much cleavage; even more in some cases. In this case, it was more seductive, IMO.
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For once in a blue moon, I can agree with you as that usually is not the case. She's pretty hot IMO, but then again I won't dwell on it because of my age she's "only a kid". When you get to my age, I think more in terms like, "she's someone nice for my son". :lol

She's nice, but I personally do not desire her. I'm only thinking in terms if I was younger, but I'm not, and for everyone's information, I'm not regretting it, either.
 
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