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What did John mean by "The Word"

Alfred Persson

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What is the "Logos"? What did John mean precisely?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. (Jn. 1:1-4 NKJ)

After reading reams of scholarly commentary on this question I get the impression no one is really sure. DA Carson thoroughly discusses this issue, but not once does he say "this is precisely what John meant":

But what is meant by ‘Word’? The underlying term, logos, was used so widely and in such different contexts in first-century Greek (cf. LSJ) that many suggestions as to what it might mean here have been put forward.7 The Stoics understood logos to be the rational principle by which everything exists, and which is of the essence of the rational human soul. As far as they were concerned, there is no other god than logos, and all that exists has sprung from seminal logoi, seeds of this logos. Others have suggested a background in Gnosticism, a widespread, ill-defined movement in the Mediterranean world of the first three centuries; but it must be admitted that, so far as our sources go, there is little evidence for the existence of full-blown Gnosticism before John wrote his Gospel (cf. the Introduction, §§ II–III). Still others think John has borrowed from Philo, a first-century Jew who was much influenced by Plato and his successors. Philo makes a distinction between the ideal world, which he calls ‘the logos of God’, and the real or phenomenal world which is but its copy. In particular, logos for Philo can refer to the ideal man, the primal man, from which all empirical human beings derive. But Philo’s logos has no distinct personality, and does not itself become incarnate. John’s logos doctrine, by contrast, is not tied to such dualism. More generally, logos can refer to inner thought, hence ‘reason’, even ‘science’. That is one reason why some have advocated ‘Reason’ as a translation of logos (e.g. Clark). Alternatively, logos can refer to outward expression, hence ‘speech’ or ‘message’, which is why ‘Word’ is still thought by many to be the most appropriate term, provided it does not narrowly refer to a mere linguistic sign but is understood to mean something like ‘message’ (as in 1 Cor. 1:18).

However the Greek term is understood, there is a more readily available background than that provided by Philo or the Greek philosophical schools. Considering how frequently John quotes or alludes to the Old Testament, that is the place to begin. There, ‘the word’ (Heb. dāḇār) of God is connected with God’s powerful activity in creation (cf. Gn. 1:3ff.; Ps. 33:6), revelation (Je. 1:4; Is. 9:8; Ezk. 33:7; Am. 3:1, 8) and deliverance (Ps. 107:20; Is. 55:11). If the LORD is said to speak to the prophet Isaiah (e.g. Is. 7:3), elsewhere we read that ‘the word of the LORD came to Isaiah’ (Is. 38:4; cf. Je. 1:4; Ezk. 1:6). It was by ‘the word of the LORD’ that the heavens were made (Ps. 33:6): in Gn. 1:3, 6, 9, etc. God simply speaks, and his powerful word creates. That same word effects deliverance and judgment (Is. 55:11; cf. Ps. 29:3ff.). When some of his people faced illness that brought them to the brink of death, God ‘sent forth his word and healed them; he rescued them from the grave’ (Ps. 107:20). This personification of the ‘word’ becomes even more colourful in Jewish writing composed after the Old Testament (e.g. Wisdom 18:14, 15). Whether this heritage was mediated to John by the Greek version of the Old Testament that many early Christians used, or even by an Aramaic paraphrase (called a ‘Targum’), the ultimate fountain for this choice of language cannot be in serious doubt.

There are other components in the Old Testament background to the term logos. The ‘Wisdom’ of God is highly personified in some passages (especially Pr. 8:22ff.), becoming the agent of creation and a wonderful gift. This personification is again extended in later Jewish writings (e.g. Wisdom 7:22–8:1; Ecclus. 24). Many scholars, finding frequent parallels to John in Wisdom literature8, hold that the Evangelist assigns to logos some of the attributes of Wisdom. Something similar could be argued for the place of Torah (roughly, the law or teaching of God) in rabbinic thought; and again, the Word whom John is announcing picks up such themes and in certain respects transcends them (see below on vv. 16–18). There is much to be said for both views. However, the lack of Wisdom terminology in John’s Gospel suggests that the parallels between Wisdom and John’s Logos may stem less from direct dependence than from common dependence on Old Testament uses of ‘word’ and Torah, from which both have borrowed.

In short, God’s ‘Word’ in the Old Testament is his powerful self-expression in creation, revelation and salvation, and the personification of that ‘Word’ makes it suitable for John to apply it as a title to God’s ultimate self-disclosure, the person of his own Son. But if the expression would prove richest for Jewish readers, it would also resonate in the minds of some readers with entirely pagan backgrounds. In their case, however, they would soon discover that whatever they had understood the term to mean in the past, the author whose work they were then reading was forcing them into fresh thought (see on v. 14).

One must go farther. The wealth of possible backgrounds to the term logos in John’s Prologue suggests that the determining factor is not this or that background but the church’s experience of Jesus Christ. This is not to say the background is irrelevant. It is to say, rather, that when Christians looked around for suitable categories to express what they had come to know of Jesus Christ, many that they applied to him necessarily enjoyed a plethora of antecedent associations. The terms had to be semantically related to what the Christians wanted to say, or they could not have communicated with their own age. Nevertheless, many of the terms they chose, including this one, had semantic ranges so broad that they could shape the term by their own usage to make it convey, in the context of their own work, what they knew to be true of Jesus Christ (cf. Boice, p. 163). In that sense, as helpful as the background study may be, it cannot by itself determine exactly what John means by logos. For that information, while thinking through the background uses, we must above all listen to the Evangelist himself.

-Carson, D. A. (1991). The Gospel according to John (pp. 114–118). Inter-Varsity Press; W.B. Eerdmans.




There was more, but the 10,000 limit prevents posting it all. A simple explanation of what John meant never appears.

What say you?

What precisely does John mean when he says Jesus is "The Word"?
 
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PS: Whenever "an expert" can't give a precise answer, they "baffle with Bullst."

In other words, admitting they "don't know" isn't an option, it would destroy their career.

Lest their reputation be damaged, they will respond with the proverbial "kitchen sink", give the inquisitor everything ever suggested on the topic hoping something therein satisfies him...and hides the fact they couldn't give a precise answer.

If they are "exhaustive" in their treatment, the impression most have its "scholarly". But a simple man will notice the scholar never pointed to a specific statement as "the answer."

If you can find "an expert" who knows the answer, please educate me by copy pasting his words.

Until then, what do YOU say?

What precisely did John mean when he says Jesus is the "Word"?.
 
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Greetings Alfred Persson,
What is the "Logos"? What did John mean precisely?
What say you?
What precisely does John mean when he says Jesus is "The Word"?
You have asked two different questions. John does not say "Jesus is The Word". The "Logos" of John 1:1 is NOT Jesus. The "Logos" of John 1:1 is a personification similar to the Wise Woman "Wisdom" of Proverbs 8 who was with God in the Creation .

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Hey All,
Please allow me to try and answer the question Alfred Persson.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I don't believe that the wayJohn starts his Gospel is a coincidence that it is phrased the same as Genesis 1:1

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John uses the introduction to draw the resder back to creation.
Why?
In creation, God, by His Word, (logos in the Greek) spoke the universe into existence.
I believe verses John 1:2-4 to explain that Jesus was the voice that spoke the words.

John 1:2-4 The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Thus Jesus is God's Word personified.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
I try so you may understand. As you see the material things like the cosmos, you see Galaxy's and the stars that emit light in the dark fabric. If you travel above the material things, above the darkness another place above these things. Because the things below are created from above. The Father was always everlasting, then He thought and one like Himself became. the Mother, Holy Spirit. Together thought, and the Christ came. The first and the last one. No other will be. This area the upper is full of light. Below full of darkness. All things above and below, this was His Son, that all created was the Christ. The same is the Word. Then the material world was created. Then man was created.

Genesis 1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. ...
 
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