What do you think a man and a woman must know about each other

[agua.]

And does he have a roving eye?Watch out for that.That can be picked up while they are dating sometimes.

Like this ?

 

[Kathi]

No more like this."Honey you look beautiful in the morning when you get up"

 

[agua.]

There's another one. You can't trust someone who wakes up after a good night sleep and doesn't have a hair out of place !

 

[lowrab777]

What was the biggest and first change you noticed when you became man and wife?

cant remember after 5 kids its hard to remember what life used to be like.LOL!

 

[lowrab777]

I think it was the desire to just be together and alone without the distraction of people

 

[turnorburn]

Both on the same page spiritually..

tob

 

[reba]

we we married at 17 and 19 the big question was which fast food to go to

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

What do you think a man and a woman must know about each other before they get married?

All they really have to know, in Yhwh's community, is that their parents have appointed them for each other.

 

[Obadiah]

All they really have to know, in Yhwh's community, is that their parents have appointed them for each other.

What does that mean? Are you saying marriages have to be arranged by parents, such as in the ancient times when fathers sold their daughters to men?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

What does that mean? .....

It means exactly what Yhwh's Word(the Bible) means. Nothing more, nothing less.
society has changed(for the worse) and is headed towards hell in a handbasket.
Notice though I specified "in Yhwh's community"; not in pagan, worldly, carnal, plunging headlong in sin, society.
Yhwh's Word has never changed.

 

[Obadiah]

It means exactly what Yhwh's Word(the Bible) means. Nothing more, nothing less.
society has changed(for the worse) and is headed towards hell in a handbasket.
Notice though I specified "in Yhwh's community"; not in pagan, worldly, carnal, plunging headlong in sin, society.
Yhwh's Word has never changed.

So what is your answer then? I don't see it in your response. "It means exactly what Yhwh's Word(the Bible) means." means little to me! Unless you can give a clear answer and since scripture referred to the ancient custom of arranged marriages for pay (daughters sold to men for profit) I guess I'll take it that your confusing answer means you are saying we are supposed to be selling our daughters today too. I would have to disagree in that just because something was cultural in OT times for Isreal doesn't mean we have to do it that same way today to be in God's will. At least not unless He told us we have to, and I see no scripture commanding that marriage has to be done this way. In fact, I see very little to no scripture at all about how we are supposed to meet and marry our spouses beyond advising not to be unequally married to unbelievers.

I don't think I could agree that parents "appointing" people to each other for marriage is even a good thing in our current culture, much less the "only" thing that is important.

 

[reba]

Gen 29:9 And while he yet spake with them, Rachel came with her father's sheep: for she kept them.
Gen 29:10 And it came to pass, when Jacob saw Rachel the daughter of Laban his mother's brother, and the sheep of Laban his mother's brother, that Jacob went near, and rolled the stone from the well's mouth, and watered the flock of Laban his mother's brother.
Gen 29:11 And Jacob kissed Rachel, and lifted up his voice, and wept.
Gen 29:12 And Jacob told Rachel that he was her father's brother, and that he was Rebekah's son: and she ran and told her father.

Sounds to me like we should marry our cousins...

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

In our current culture, there is nothing good. ("as in the days of Noah"). that's why I specified in "Yhwh's community".
If you think they 'sold' their daughters, that's up to you. That perspective is not uncommon.

Yhwh arranged several if not many marriages in Scripture. Did He ever make a mistake ?

I agree, not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers(in marriage and in business). Still, believers today marry unbelievers thinking they will change some day. It is a direct violation of Yhwh's Word, but is done every day. They "feel" right, instead of obeying Yhwh's Word. Same with everything else in society today - "feels right" looks like the normal decision maker, instead of "do what Yhwh says" as Yeshua says in Scripture.
Yhwh's community is not confused about how to meet and marry spouses. There is a lot in Scripture about this, and they do what Scripture says. (very rare, yes. you have probably never met someone in Yhwh's community (as in obedient to Yhwh's Word no matter what, living in community with others likewise totally devoted to Yhwh in Yeshua), or not for very long anyway.


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oh, and the op asked what must a man and woman know.......
I just answered the simplest least they must know - there may be other occasions to know more ......
that would be for another thread probably.

 

[Kathi]

I think the major change for me when I was first married is...There is a man in my bed!!

 

[th1b.taylor]

1) In a committed relationship with our Lord;
2) Financial health (bad debts, good credit, knows how to budget & plan);
3) Children - want them or no;
4) Pets - want them or no;
5) Rent or buy a house;
6) Carnivore or Herbivore (vegetarian);
7) Comfortable staying at home, relaxing ... or does the other want to party a lot;
8) Materialistic or no;

........just some thoughts that came to mind

People do not realize it and I know not why but love is built and maintained on these things and maybe one or two others. Hollywood has lied to them and today they think they are buying a pair of shoes.

Very good post.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Gen 29:9 And while he yet spake with them, Rachel came with her father's sheep: for she kept them.
Gen 29:10 And it came to pass, when Jacob saw Rachel the daughter of Laban his mother's brother, and the sheep of Laban his mother's brother, that Jacob went near, and rolled the stone from the well's mouth, and watered the flock of Laban his mother's brother.
Gen 29:11 And Jacob kissed Rachel, and lifted up his voice, and wept.
Gen 29:12 And Jacob told Rachel that he was her father's brother, and that he was Rebekah's son: and she ran and told her father.

Sounds to me like we should marry our cousins...

When Yhwh arranges it, yes. When Yhwh doesn't, no. He did a lot of arranging, and never has to explain Himself to anyone. Whoever goes along with Him lives, whoever doesn't, dies. No explanation needed. (as Yhwh pleases(chooses), He tells)

 

[Obadiah]

In our current culture, there is nothing good. ("as in the days of Noah"). that's why I specified in "Yhwh's community".
If you think they 'sold' their daughters, that's up to you. That perspective is not uncommon.

Yhwh arranged several if not many marriages in Scripture. Did He ever make a mistake ?

I agree, not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers(in marriage and in business). Still, believers today marry unbelievers thinking they will change some day. It is a direct violation of Yhwh's Word, but is done every day. They "feel" right, instead of obeying Yhwh's Word. Same with everything else in society today - "feels right" looks like the normal decision maker, instead of "do what Yhwh says" as Yeshua says in Scripture.
Yhwh's community is not confused about how to meet and marry spouses. There is a lot in Scripture about this, and they do what Scripture says. (very rare, yes. you have probably never met someone in Yhwh's community (as in obedient to Yhwh's Word no matter what, living in community with others likewise totally devoted to Yhwh in Yeshua), or not for very long anyway.


...../...
oh, and the op asked what must a man and woman know.......
I just answered the simplest least they must know - there may be other occasions to know more ......
that would be for another thread probably.

Ok, that's still not a clear answer to my question so you leave me no choice but to decipher that you are saying arranged marriages are the only way God wants it done and that is the most important thing we need to know (it has been arranged by parents) before marrying someone. (And yes, in those cases in ancient Jewish history, those daughters were indeed sold by their fathers. That is history and it doesn't change by us just saying it wasn't that way. It still happens today in some cultures.) I just disagree that this is the only or most important part of marriage in that I don't see that in scripture. But that's just my understanding of scripture and I would not be so proud as to say or imply that my own personal understanding of scripture is exactly lined up with what God intended.

Just wanted to clarify that from your perspective you believe the most important thing is that God commands marriages to be arranged by the father making an arrangement with the husband and charging a fee to marry his daughter (which is "selling" her!) That's a far different view of scripture than is held by Christians that I've been around, so I was trying to confirm this was actually your viewpoint. I'm still not sure, but I find your answer confusing and not really addressing my question, so you leave me no choice but to assume.

 

[Obadiah]

When Yhwh arranges it, yes. When Yhwh doesn't, no. He did a lot of arranging, and never has to explain Himself to anyone. Whoever goes along with Him lives, whoever doesn't, dies. No explanation needed. (as Yhwh pleases(chooses), He tells)

This is not what you said before. In post#28 you said:

All they really have to know, in Yhwh's community, is that their parents have appointed them for each other.

(emphasis mine.) This is very confusing as you have now changed your stance to the concept of God arranging things instead of the people's parents. You are fond of saying "no explanation needed" when people ask you questions about your statements, but indeed much explanation IS needed because a lot of us do not follow your reasoning and your theology.

Of course God has a plan for all of us, including who we marry (if we marry). But this is totally different than your original statement that the only important thing for potential spouses to know what the it was their parents who arranged it.

 

[lowrab777]

Sounds to me like we should marry our cousins...

HILARIOUS !!

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Yes, it is awkward for you(plural 'you'/readers/public/churches/et al) because so much that is not Scriptural has been taught for so long to so many. (remember the wolves and anti-christs are already written in Scripture as ready to devour /tear apart the flock as soon as Paul departs, and so they did and continued through right up to today with rare delightful true exceptions.)
How or why, for instance, you would 'assume' that a dowry (practice for thousands of years still today) is 'selling' is beyond me. The ecclesia never saw it as selling as far as I have ever heard or read. It is simply a righteous (and good) way accepted by Yhwh's people, granted by Yhwh and endorsed by Yhwh through Scripture and incorporated in the Ways of His people.
(worse today is the 'custom' to spend 10K up on a 'wedding' ! (for a marriage that may last a week!) ) (or in any case, 10's of thousands gone to merchants....)(just one example of severely bad society)
Since the Ways of His people are not practiced today in the untied states or most of the world, it takes diligence in seeking Yhwh to find Him and His Way in Christ Jesus.