Well that is not absolute, what is immortal to us is not immortal to God, what is not subject to the first death may be subject to the second death.
What does it means, man was made in the Image of God?
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The word immortal has a different meaning to God?
I wouldn’t think so.
It is appointed for all man once to die. For him to die a second death, he must be raised from the dead and judged unfaithful. Into the fire with him.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17
“For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19
“And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20
“For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
Light has come into the world. But men love darkness rather than light.
Why? Because their deeds are evil. No one else’s but man’s. THEY practice evil because THEY hate light.
Get it?
“For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
“And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
“For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
Light has come into the world. But men love darkness rather than light.
Why? Because their deeds are evil. No one else’s but man’s. THEY practice evil because THEY hate light.
Get it?
I’m sure the sons of God in Gen 6 and Ps 82 refer to mortal men.
God’s angels in heaven don’t die. That means they are immortal.
Both to God’s understanding and mine.
It’s not good to change the meaning of words because we don’t understand. It’s better to leave the meaning as is and go from there.
So, getting back to the image and likeness of God in which man was formed into when taken from the ground, it’s said that into his face was breathed the breath of life. And the man formed became a living soul.
And it is the man who was formed that returns to dust. For dust he was, and to dust he returns.
The God who formed man in His image says, “Let us make man in our image”
the “us”refers to God and angels.
The idea that angels took on the nature of man to have sex with women is not true.
In the resurrection, the man is to be as the angels who don’t marry.
Need to stay the course to know truth.
And it is the man who was formed that returns to dust. For dust he was, and to dust he returns.
The God who formed man in His image says, “Let us make man in our image”
the “us”refers to God and angels.
The idea that angels took on the nature of man to have sex with women is not true.
In the resurrection, the man is to be as the angels who don’t marry.
Need to stay the course to know truth.
Since spirits can die this second death, they are not immortal to God, but as a matter of fact they are immortal to us. They can be restrained, but can't be killed. What is impossible to man is possible to God, that's what I meant.
I'm sure they're not, those are divine beings, aka angels, hosts of heaven. They don't die - UNITL God cast them into the Lake of Fire to die. These rebels will be judged. There's no place for them in New Jerusalem. If there were mortals, why would they die "like" men? Why not just die as men? And how come are they able to stand face to face before God (Job 1:6), since no man can see God's face and live (Ex. 33:20)?
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day. (Jude 1:6)
“The angels that sinned”
Since sin results in death, and Jesus said God’s angels in heaven don’t die or marry, it means they are immortal.
The “angels” that sinned were messengers.
Translating the word as angels instead of messengers gives the wrong idea.
Context determines the meaning. And since they are said to have sinned and died, it means they were mortal men.
John 3:31
He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth (so the speech or human opinion is good for nothing): bu he that cometh from above is above all. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:45-47
47 The first MAN is of the earth, earthy; the second MAN is the Lord from heaven(is from a celestial /spiritual environment)
45 The first MAN Adam was made a living soul(whose breath is in his nostrils- Isaiah 2:22); the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord GOD formed man (animal) of the dust of the ground, ... has eyes but don't see, has ears but don't hear, has mouth, but don't speak;
Then GOD breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. GOD said by the prophet Isaiah 2:22->Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?
1Corinthians 2:11
What MAN knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of MAN which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD. Paul Apostle wrote: Romans 8:9->if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
What I learned by the Scriptures above quoted,we cannot be leaded or guided by the spirit of MAN, his human opinions,the MORTAL spirit good and evil of MAN, as GOD revealed to Moses in Genesis 3:1, actually a STUMBLING BLOCK, like the speech of the MAN of sin, as my Lord JESUS also clarifies in Matthew 16:22-23.
The origin of the death, or the source of the death
Genesis 2:9->9 And out of the ground (out of the dust of the earth) made the Lord GOD to grow every tree(Psalms 1:1-6) that is pleasant to the sight, and good for FOOD; the tree of life(the MAN JESUS, the bread of heaven) also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil(THE EARTHLY man, very dangerous and terrible, if is not born again from GOD). All men are under sin: Romans 3:9-16 and 21-26:
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre(ORIGIN OF THE DEATH); with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: (sound only the words of death-Genesis 3:1)
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of GOD before their eyes.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
It's it. I'm astonished with what the Word of GOD reveals. Great mystery.
1Corinthians 15:24-26
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all RULE and all AUTHORITHY and POWER.
25 For JESUS must reign, till He hath put all ENEMIES under His feet.
26 The LAST ENEMY THAT SHALL BE DESTROYED IS DEATH. ALELUIA!!!
May our Lord GOD bless us and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
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Galations 3:23 kjv
23.But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
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23.But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
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Hebrews 10:35-39
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of GOD ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Amen
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of GOD ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Amen
Well I would say it goes deeper than that..
Now we know the attributes of God that we do not have, here are a few...
" God is self-existent (aseity), and His existence depends on nothing outside of Himself (Ex 3:14; John 1:4; 5:26). He has life in Himself. There is no prior cause that brought God into existence, He will never cease to be, and He depends on nothing outside of Himself. God is holy (Lev 11:44; Psa 99:9; Isa 45:5-19). This means God is positively righteous and separate from all that is sinful. Holiness connotes moral purity. Being holy means God cannot be affixed to anything morally imperfect. God is Spirit (John 4:24; 2 Cor 3:17). This means the nature of God’s being is spirit, not material. God is sovereign (Psa 115:3; Isa 46:9-11; Dan 4:35; Acts 17:24-28). This means God acts freely as He pleases, always as He pleases, and only as He pleases. God is immutable (Psa 102:26-27; Mal 3:6). This means God’s essential nature does not change. God is eternal (Deut 33:27; 1 Tim 1:17). This means God has always existed, does exist, and forever will exist. God is infinite (1 Ki 8:27; Jer 23:24). Though God exists in space, He is also beyond space, infinite in being. God is omniscient (Psa 139:1-4; Matt 6:31-33). This means God knows all things, being infinite in knowledge. God is omnipresent (Psa 139:7-10; Jer 23:24). This means He is equally and fully everywhere present. God is omnipotent (Job 42:2; Isa 40:28). This means God is all-powerful and able to accomplish all He desires. have we have in common."The Person and Attributes of God - Thinking on Scripture
But man has attributes that do line up, for example, the Bible says that God is loving, merciful, righteous, and patient, Mankind also possess these attributes though certainly not to the same degree as God. The Bible also says that God can see and hear as well as walk and talk and many other things that man has.
The word “image” comes from the root meaning shadow. But more than that it is applied to physical representations of gods made by hands. Idols. Carved statues and the like. Graven images of gods.
Man is forbidden to make these Idol gods because there is no other God but One.
The “us” in “let us make man in our image” refers to the angels of God. And specifically to the one referred to as the Angel of the Lord.
Since no man has ever seen God, the God whom Adam met and spoke with was the Angel of the Lord. The Angel who would later speak face to face with Moses and others such as Abraham.
The reason the churches believe “image” refers to something other than a physical representation or likeness in form is because they have been taught that God and angels have no physical form.
However, God did form man in His own image and likeness. The truth has been lost by the teaching of philosophers like Plato and Socrates. The church has picked up on their ideas of form.
If it be true that God has a physical body As well as the angels, then who is the adversary and his demon angels?
The truth brings it all together nicely. But that’s another topic I suppose.
It’s really all one topic but……I digress..
Except that it can't, because it also says we are made in "God's image," not an angel's image nor the image of "the Angel of the Lord."
Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. (ESV)
The plural personal pronouns in verse 26 can only refer to God himself, as indicated in verse 27.
Except that "physical" is a different substance than "spiritual" (Isa. 31:3; Mark 14:38; Luke 23:46; 24:39; Rom. 8:16; 1 Cor. 2:1; etc.) and "God is Spirit" (John 4:24). He is also invisible (John 1:18; Col. 1:15; 1 Tim. 1:17) and became flesh (physical) at a point in time (John 1:14).
His "image" is complicated to explain, but there are scriptural parallels that shed light on this.
Bear with this, it won't make sense to most, and to no one until it's all considered as one thought...
**If you are a diehard follower of the trinity doctrine, please don't read this, it will offend you.**
"Image of "Man"
Let's start with Man, who was created as a single person with a dual persona, male and female. (This is clearly stated in Genesis 1)
After placing the "created" whole Man (male/female) in the garden, God recognized that he needed a helper, but also that it was not good that Man should be "alone." [Hebrew 'bad'] this Hebrew word means "to separate." Interestingly, right after saying that, God "separated" the female aspect of Man and fashioned, (not created), the body that he referred to as "woman" to host the "female" that was removed from the Man (male & female) that He created. (The "male" personal was left in the original Man)
Summery of first aspect of the image: Man was created as male/female, a single being. Female was taken, via a rib, and placed inside a second body, called woman. The body of the woman came to life, not as Adam did, by the breath of God and as a new creation, but by a part of the Man that had already been created, then the "separated female" was placed into the woman body.
Male and female were One. They were separated, God didn't think this was good, but a helper was needed and he had already finished His creation on the sixth day. This separation was not the original image. But He did this in a way that they could "return" to the image of God.
It was a dual persona in one body, but not two separate beings, until he took the rib (female) and separated it by placing it into a body that was not the original Man, but a "woman."
"For this reason... They will become ONE flesh..."
The Image of God:
Alpha and Omega. Alpha represents the Father, Omega, the Son. The word "Creator" is the Hebrew word "bara," made up of the Hebrew word for "son," (bar-), and the letter Alpha, "father." So, the word "Creator" actually reads, "Father-Son." One being, called "Creator," with a dual persona, but not separate, as male and female had been separated.
The Holy Spirit, literally, the "Set Apart" Spirit of God is His Son. Not separate, "set apart," because He was never "born" of a woman, so He was amd always will be an "extension" of the Father. The Alpha-Omega is One being, God, even though it represents the Father-Son, ("Creator.")
The original Man, in the image of God, had a dual persona. The separation made them two individual beings, brought back together only through intercourse,asking them one flesh again. In contrast...
The creator can bear offspring, but if He were to bear offspring, Spirit Sons, and separate them from Himself, and (hypothetically) allow them to go to earth, they could potentially be attracted to the female persona found in the bodies of earthly women... This could lead to an unplanned hybrid race of beings that had God-qualities, but no spiritual connection to God.
Yeah, I know... This sounds weird, confusing, and it goes against everyone's theology, every doctrine, all the creeds, and doesn't make a lick of sense... That's okay. Modern religion will reject the notion that God is One, but two personas; and that Man 'was' one with two personas but was separated into two beings with individual personas.
Bear with this, it won't make sense to most, and to no one until it's all considered as one thought...
**If you are a diehard follower of the trinity doctrine, please don't read this, it will offend you.**
"Image of "Man"
Let's start with Man, who was created as a single person with a dual persona, male and female. (This is clearly stated in Genesis 1)
After placing the "created" whole Man (male/female) in the garden, God recognized that he needed a helper, but also that it was not good that Man should be "alone." [Hebrew 'bad'] this Hebrew word means "to separate." Interestingly, right after saying that, God "separated" the female aspect of Man and fashioned, (not created), the body that he referred to as "woman" to host the "female" that was removed from the Man (male & female) that He created. (The "male" personal was left in the original Man)
Summery of first aspect of the image: Man was created as male/female, a single being. Female was taken, via a rib, and placed inside a second body, called woman. The body of the woman came to life, not as Adam did, by the breath of God and as a new creation, but by a part of the Man that had already been created, then the "separated female" was placed into the woman body.
Male and female were One. They were separated, God didn't think this was good, but a helper was needed and he had already finished His creation on the sixth day. This separation was not the original image. But He did this in a way that they could "return" to the image of God.
It was a dual persona in one body, but not two separate beings, until he took the rib (female) and separated it by placing it into a body that was not the original Man, but a "woman."
"For this reason... They will become ONE flesh..."
The Image of God:
Alpha and Omega. Alpha represents the Father, Omega, the Son. The word "Creator" is the Hebrew word "bara," made up of the Hebrew word for "son," (bar-), and the letter Alpha, "father." So, the word "Creator" actually reads, "Father-Son." One being, called "Creator," with a dual persona, but not separate, as male and female had been separated.
The Holy Spirit, literally, the "Set Apart" Spirit of God is His Son. Not separate, "set apart," because He was never "born" of a woman, so He was amd always will be an "extension" of the Father. The Alpha-Omega is One being, God, even though it represents the Father-Son, ("Creator.")
The original Man, in the image of God, had a dual persona. The separation made them two individual beings, brought back together only through intercourse,asking them one flesh again. In contrast...
The creator can bear offspring, but if He were to bear offspring, Spirit Sons, and separate them from Himself, and (hypothetically) allow them to go to earth, they could potentially be attracted to the female persona found in the bodies of earthly women... This could lead to an unplanned hybrid race of beings that had God-qualities, but no spiritual connection to God.
Yeah, I know... This sounds weird, confusing, and it goes against everyone's theology, every doctrine, all the creeds, and doesn't make a lick of sense... That's okay. Modern religion will reject the notion that God is One, but two personas; and that Man 'was' one with two personas but was separated into two beings with individual personas.
You gave NO scriptures to back up your opinion. I gave scriptures which means God backs up what I said assuming I understand said scriptures.
Corruption, willful disobedience, willfully destroying what is good, and worse.
Yes. And even full numbers of collective singing in perfect harmony and pitch !
Yes, sometimes much better than man has done.
Clear as a bell.
1 John 4:8
He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
1 Corinthians 13:13
And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
1 Corinthians 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
Image of God is love.
It says God is love.
The two commandments re-establish this.
Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
A few more verses for clarity.
1 Timothy 1:5
Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
1 John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
1 John 4:8
He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
1 Corinthians 13:13
And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
1 Corinthians 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
Image of God is love.
It says God is love.
The two commandments re-establish this.
Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
A few more verses for clarity.
1 Timothy 1:5
Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
1 John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.