What does Joyce Meyers teach?

[Papa Zoom]

At least there positive preachers. The Gospel is a positive message, Jesus wants everyone to be happy.

This depends on what you mean by being happy. Jesus wants us faithful. That's true. Jesus wants us to be joyful. In all things. But happy? I'd need that defined clearly before I could agree. I know people who have divorced because they "aren't happy" and they "have the right to be happy." The world's view of happiness is a bad idea. But if you mean Happy in Jesus, well then, that's different.

 

[Corn Pop]

This depends on what you mean by being happy. Jesus wants us faithful. That's true. Jesus wants us to be joyful. In all things. But happy? I'd need that defined clearly before I could agree. I know people who have divorced because they "aren't happy" and they "have the right to be happy." The world's view of happiness is a bad idea. But if you mean Happy in Jesus, well then, that's different.

Im talking happy In Jesus as in the joy and hope in Christ, a stable foundation. Not false happyness as in chasing the wind, believing that things will bring happeness like a divorce, change of job, a million dollars, and so on never will find peace.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Im talking happy In Jesus as in the joy and hope in Christ, a stable foundation. Not false happyness as in chasing the wind, believing that things will bring happeness like a divorce, change of job, a million dollars, and so on never will find peace.

Then I'm fully with you there!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

No,that's the pharissees,and those levites.they did have power to do alot.
Did Jesus teach us to slay these after a council of judgement?
Witches,fornicators,liars,murderers,adulteres? No! But in the Torah only the priests could do this.

Context,context

The people themselves were to carry out capital punishment required by the law:
"...shall surely be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones." (Leviticus 20:2 NASB)

I think that's why Jesus sought out the accuser of the woman caught in adultery to cast the first stone. I believe that's what the law required. Since no one stepped forward he could not carry out the sentence himself. Fact check welcome.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I still dont understand why these Pastors think its ok to use the churches donations to purchase private jets and multiple houses

The thinking is, if they had a similar job and responsibility for running a big organization in a secular setting they would be paid large CEO salaries.

While I don't necessarily agree with the thinking from a spiritual point of view I understand the argument. We don't condemn honest, hard working CEO's for being worth thousands and thousands of dollars a year. The corrupt ones, yes, we do, of course. But we all know here in America if you get the big job and you earned it you deserve the big bucks that go with it. That's the thinking behind TV teachers giving themselves big bucks.

 

[Nathan]

The thinking is, if they had a similar job and responsibility for running a big organization in a secular setting they would be paid large CEO salaries.

While I don't necessarily agree with the thinking from a spiritual point of view I understand the argument. We don't condemn honest, hard working CEO's for being worth thousands and thousands of dollars a year. The corrupt ones, yes, we do, of course. But we all know here in America if you get the big job and you earned it you deserve the big bucks that go with it. That's the thinking behind TV teachers giving themselves big bucks.

Problem is, most people 'give' to the TV preachers in believing they are giving to a ministry - as in - their money will be used for other people. Now, anyone who knows about a TV preachers extravagant lifestyle, and still gives money, are on their own.

But the majority of 'donations' are from people who honestly think that their donation is going to help someone - not pay for the TV preachers car, house, or jet.

I don't know how they get all the money they do. Maybe it is all 'honest'? It would be either sickening or interesting to actually see a breakdown of their 'ministries' income/outgo.

 

[Edward]

Problem is, most people 'give' to the TV preachers in believing they are giving to a ministry - as in - their money will be used for other people. Now, anyone who knows about a TV preachers extravagant lifestyle, and still gives money, are on their own.

But the majority of 'donations' are from people who honestly think that their donation is going to help someone - not pay for the TV preachers car, house, or jet.

I don't know how they get all the money they do. Maybe it is all 'honest'? It would be either sickening or interesting to actually see a breakdown of their 'ministries' income/outgo.

My ex-wife used to get crazy mad if I wanted to toss a buck or three in the plate at church. We're not making his Mercedes payment for him she'd say. But she did have a pretty big heart. She spotted a man walking without shoes one day, made me turn around, we chased him down and went and bought him a pair of shoes and socks. But WW III for a buck in the plate, geesh. I understand the mindset though, of wanting to help people and really wanting them to get it.

The way I figure it, the Lord looks at the heart, so if I were to give at church to help the poor, then I have helped. If the Pastor or whomever misappropriates the money (eek!)...well, that's between them and God. Not my business. Nevertheless, we do want to see the money get into the right hands where it will actually help, so one can effectively cut out the middle-man (church), and give straight to the poor on the street.

But there's always the possibility of misappropriation there too. How do I know that the guy wont go buy drugs or liquor with it? There's always a risk. I thought I had it beat one day, I seen what appeared to be (or could be) a single mama out panhandling. Prolly has kids to feed, so I giver a ten spot and drove away feeling pretty good about it...until I seen in my rearview mirror her BF ride up on a 10 sp bike and take the money from her...Ya' just can't win.

That sort've thing can make a man want to stop helping. But that's no answer either. We have to help, we're a community. So if our hearts are right and we help others, we just have to have faith that the Lord can manage His own money. He can make sure that it gets to where it needs to go. How would I know if the Lord isn't blessing a Pastor through us or not? He could be.

 

[WIP]

Because he is the Lamb who took away the sin of the world and through his death broke the power of the devil and he rise from the dead, and he also said be of good cheer I have overcome the world.

And this "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,"

I would say thats a positive message to all that believe in him.

What I meant was, in what way does He want us to be happy? I've never listened too much to Joyce but I've heard her message tends to fall in the category of the "feel good" message so in what way does He want us to be happy? As we envision happiness here on this earth or something else?

 

[jasonc]

The people themselves were to carry out capital punishment required by the law:
"...shall surely be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones." (Leviticus 20:2 NASB)

I think that's why Jesus sought out the accuser of the woman caught in adultery to cast the first stone. I believe that's what the law required. Since no one stepped forward he could not carry out the sentence himself. Fact check welcome.

After a council.you do know what the sanhedrin were,and before.they decided.

The man Moses was advised by Jethro to set up.wise men to judge matters.

 

[reba]

Seems Moese did that in tens right?

 

[jasonc]

Seems Moese did that in tens right?

I believe 70.

 

[reba]

the challenge is set

1. Exo 18:21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:

 

[Corn Pop]

The thinking is, if they had a similar job and responsibility for running a big organization in a secular setting they would be paid large CEO salaries.

While I don't necessarily agree with the thinking from a spiritual point of view I understand the argument. We don't condemn honest, hard working CEO's for being worth thousands and thousands of dollars a year. The corrupt ones, yes, we do, of course. But we all know here in America if you get the big job and you earned it you deserve the big bucks that go with it. That's the thinking behind TV teachers giving themselves big bucks.

I dont think any CEO is worth hundreds of thousands on salarary. I mean serious, what CEO no matter how hard they work is worth a million dollars a year. Its unrealistic but that's just they way it rolls I guess.

No human being is worth a million dollars a year for any job they do. Its all gone a bit overboard. Look at sports stars, like 50 million a season. Lol.

I think politicians salarys should be based on the average national income.

The Most crooked is when corporations and organisations get government funding and the CEO is on millions. If the CEO can be on a fat salary they do not need funding.

 

[Mike]

My pastor's salary doesn't go up or down depending on the level of offerings received by the congregation. I believe this is true of the vast majority of churches. Many people who are cynical of churches have this misconception. My impression if that Meyers and others perpetuate this misconception by their lifestyles, and it discredits the Church in that respect. That's one thing that doesn't sit well with me.

 

[reba]

not all pastors are rich or even well to do.. some pay church bills , like heat and light from there own pocket.. And that pocket was filled by an employer not the church..

 

[Corn Pop]

Churches are based on a system and where there is a system there is a flaw. I dont believe any church should be rich. Scripture says believers met at each others houses and broke bread and helped each other out I'd they were struggling, today they all mass in one building that is built on a donation system and its suppose to be community owned by the believers. Its needs bills payed, salaries, volunteers and so on. So it either gets filthy rich or struggles. And if recieves a lot only the few at the top get rewarded.

 

[Edward]

not all pastors are rich or even well to do.. some pay church bills , like heat and light from there own pocket.. And that pocket was filled by an employer not the church..

I read about one guy that the birds would come feed him. Another found cash in a fish at the seashore to pay his taxes with. Still others actually had food rain from the sky for them to eat...you might remember my account of an Angel coming to my garage sale and negotiating himself upwards to 2400 cash, so I cou;d pay my back rent and utility shut off notice...so, nah. I don't worry about bills and eating. It happens one way or another, and very cool to watch. Praise God!

 

[Corn Pop]

The evidence is clear in scripture anyhow. All gave to the church and the Apostles gave out to all who needed.

Today all give the church and the Pastor gets a fat salary and a new home and everyone else gets nothing. Lol.

Not all churches ok I understand some struggle, but if they didn't struggle im guessing it would most probably be the same, the top get rewarded only.

 

[reba]

The evidence is clear in scripture anyhow. All gave to the church and the Apostles gave out to all who needed.

Today all give the church and the Pastor gets a fat salary and a new home and everyone else gets nothing. Lol.

Not all churches ok I understand some struggle, but if they didn't struggle im guessing it would most probably be the same, the top get rewarded only.

what would you bet there are more struggling churches and the mega ones are the ones in the news?

 

[Edward]

The evidence is clear in scripture anyhow. All gave to the church and the Apostles gave out to all who needed.

Today all give the church and the Pastor gets a fat salary and a new home and everyone else gets nothing. Lol.

Not all churches ok I understand some struggle.

When people start dying in church again (like Ananias & Saphhira) , they'll get that straightened out, lol.