Sinners too?
Do they immediately go to the lake of fire?
No. The Lake of Fire is the last death.
There is physical death
Spiritual death
Eternal death
Those that are damned, including satan and his angels, go to the Lake of Fire
after the White Throne Judegment --- the last judgement.
NOW,,,after the cross,,,we go immediately to heaven because we have already been judged...
John 3:16-18
Our judgement in the last day, will be only for "crowns".
I guess that is what I have always thought, being raised from the dead to meet Jesus in the air, at His return.
That is such a major difference in theologies. I wonder how they could even sit in the same place with each other?
They weren't in the same place in Luke 16.
There was a great chasm between them and they could not cross over.
How do you know they are active?
If Moses and Elihah were "active" then it seems to me that we will be too.
A soul is either alive or dead...same for the spirit.
The spirit goes back to be with God....Ecclesiastes 12:7
Can the spirit be dead? It is the spirit that quickens us and makes us alive in Christ.
How does this idea sit with you....At rebirth we are "in Christ", and He is in us at our reception of the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We are one, us in Him and Him in us.
Dead or alive, bodily, we are in each other.
So...
In Jude 1:14 it says..."And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,"...on the last day.
Those saints must have lived and died already, so were not in graves awaiting the day of Jesus' return but were always "seated in heavenly places with Christ". (Eph 2:6)
Good with the above.
If the saints return with Jesus,,,it means they are alive.
Their soul and spirit are alive...
their bodies are dead in the ground and awaiting resurrection.
We exist apart from whatever vessel may be attributed to us.
The vessel lives and dies, but it doesn't really impact "us".
Just thinking out loud...
Yes, I think you're right.
The "us" that you have in quotation marks must be our soul...
the thing that let's each one of us be "us"...individual from everyone else.
So the vessel lives and dies, but what it holds lives on until the last day
when we receive a glorified vessel.