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What has God said about the Great Tribulation and 1000 yr reign with Christ
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cupid David, anyone of us could take scripture and add our twist of a certain time of tribulation even in our own lives as you have done here with the Jews and the holocaust, but still does not separate it as some one event, but that of many events of a tribulation time.
So, something that has never been and never will be again is a common occurence? Then we are truly at odds here since we do not understand the basics of the English language the same.
farouk
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The great tribulation, and the tribulation principle, seem to be distinct.
Ya think?
The increase of tribulation is yet future unlike that of the past or the present as there is much more to come before Christ returns. Tribulation is just that, tribulation past present and yet future, but the increase will be more intense as time goes on.
I believe it means that more will suffer and die and the extreme suffering will be worse than man has ever experienced...
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
If God does not intervene not even seven would survive.
Those before the flood mocked God as even today and will be taken as a thief in the night without knowing what hit them. Thank God he has made us to be a watchman to be able to discern the signs He gives.
Matthew 24:
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Neshamahyah
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The LORD once spoke to me directly saying, "Whenever a PEOPLE are subject to anyone less than HE HIMSELF, they are in tribulation.:shocked! "Distress", "Tribulation", "Trouble" as in the "Times of JACOB'S Trouble as regarding the times of diaspora related at Jeremiah chapters 30-31 unto the days of great restoration of covenant wherein the LORD HIMSELF shall teach HIS laws unto HIS people; all connote the same idea. (Jeremiah 30:10-11, 31:31-36) Note that Luke speaks of the onset of these times of DISTRESS upon ISRAEL as it regards being TAKEN CAPTIVE among the NATIONS and being left ransacked without a HOME .. till the times of the Gentiles comes to an end in a day of regathering REDEMPTION from among the NATIONS in a time of "herding DISTRESS" at the END of this AGE! (Luke 21:25-28) (Joel chapters 1-<2:32>-ch.3) Note that those verses relate to TWO DISTRESSES, FIRST upon ISRAEL, and THEN in the END of THESE TIMES OF THE GENTILES, as a SNARE upon the WHOLE EARTH! .. to set things right! (Luke 21:35 .. Isaiah 24:1-<10-18>-<25:1-3>-26:13)
The seemingly dominant culture, the one that over much time has had vantage as the "subjugator" of the "troubled" or "trodden down" sets the status quo, the apparent concept as to what is "righteous" for all under dominion. Over time, the conscience of both the subjugator and the subjugated become less than sensitive to ages-old injustice. (Isaiah 41:21-42:4>-43:15) The bible promises for the ONE salvation's sake, a much needed "awakening", a "remembrance", a "restoration", a "refreshing" a "restitution of all things". This indicates a world whose inate predominant sense of conscience is quite "upside down" in its point of reference for discerning the scriptures. (Isaiah 29:8-16>-32:8, chapters 59-61 .. Acts 3:18-23) The true GOSPEL is a word of reference as revealed not through the eyes of MEN, but of the ALMIGHTY! (Isaiah chapters 11:1-4>-<14:5)
Giving consideration of the fact that surely the Messiah-Savior-King of of Israel was well aware concerning the covenant promises unto Israel, (Psalms 146:10) He also was not insensitive regarding the plight of His people in what already in His day was the heavy-handed scourge of western POLYtheist Hellenist dominance over the territories of not only Judea, but also all the Nearer East. He prophesied of what THEN at THAT TIME was a coming great loss of human life particularly directed at the ELECT, especially the VOCAL ELECT ... CHOSEN PEOPE as signaled by FALL of JERUSALEM at GENTILE HANDS. In the subsequent 300 years thereafter, some 60 MILLION MONOtheist BELIEVERS predominantly in the EAST were MaRTyReD :shocked! .. that agendas after western POLYtheist intrusive influence remain in power. (Revelation 6:1-11) Again, to western imperialists, it was simply a matter of expanding dominance. The goal if they could not destroy the faith, was at last to "incorporate" the Holy One of Israel amidst pantheons of other gods the empire indiscriminately had "assimilated".
The MuRDeRous tribulation of those times did not "slough off" with the appearing of the Messiah. Instead, WESTern forces caring and knowing little concerning the MONOtheist FAITH that they had sought to destroy, took presiding seats amidst the CHURCHES. (2Thessolonians 2:1-<7-11, Jude) This was the continual wolfen "silencing of the lambs" that has left a world insentiently under illvsions wrought of a "rise of false prophets". (Hosea 7:8-8:4) (Matthew 13:20-23) Some call it the "Dark and Middle Ages still to await a true day of Enlightenment" This intrusion of the principalities and powers was not unlike what occurred when ROME came in a few scores before the birth of Messiah, and slew the Jewish priesthood that subsequently the priesthood afterward put in place said in consortium, "We have no king but Caesar" (John 19:15, Luke 12:1)
IMHO as a student of history in light of the bible, the "Great Tribulation" referred to at Matthew 24:21 was simply one episode amidst many episodes of a much longer term "CHRONOLOGY" over the course of MANY CENTURIES that Jeremiah calls the "Times of Jacob's Trouble" while in DIASPORA, the resultant of the fall of Jerusalem and being scattered subject under the traditions of the NATIONS which have in their vast diversitudes have preserved a pretense that cannot be wholly true to what from beginning is the eternal word of a must be remembered HOLY covenant. (Daniel 11:28-39, 8:5-25 .. Isaiah 48:1-<14-49:6>-51:8, Malachi 3:13-<4:4-6 .. Revelation 15:1-5)
Just some of my
. For them who would take all into consideration, the bible speaks of DISTRESS/ TRIBULATION upon ISRAEL; and then at a much later time, DISTRESS as a SNARE upon ALL NATIONS! (Luke 21:25-28) You can find more on this topic in the thread, "SILENCED BIBLE PROPHECIES! YOU CAN'T OVERLOOK THE BOOK", also under "END TIMES". Amidst a world of much confusion obscuring the Light, I await the new day "rising of the sun" that will cast out all darkness. (Isaiah 40:1-<40:27-41:4>-43:8 .. Rev.6:1-<12-7:17) Never again after THAT TIME that the KING shall sit upon the THRONE at JERUSALEM shall there ever be again upon the ELECT SEED the times of TRIBULATION and CONFUSION that have surreptitiously blinded the masses made blind to SIN as we see under MISruling conscience as men too often as fallen from faith in the LORD ALONE do exalt today! (2Thessolonians 2:1-<7-11, Isaiah 11:1-4>-14:5) Again seeking outside the status quo "boxes" IMHO. (Psalms 2)Much love from above unto all required unto HIS peace! Hallelu'YAH!
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cupid dave
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cupid dave
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LOL
Of course anyone of us can place our comments and explanations inside these brackets and let the others see what we, in our own way, understand the scripture to be saying.
That IS EXACTLY what every church has done, and it is confirmed by the multiplicity of different ideas they all have.
Please tell me what you think Rev 11 means and I will fill in the brackets accordingly so we can compare the common sense you use with my own.
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cupid dave
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Matt. 24:21 For then, (thereafter, during the long Diaspora that so begins), shall be great tribulation, (culminating in The Holocaust), such as, (for the Jews), was not since the beginning of the world to this time, (1942 AD), no, nor ever shall be, ("Never again!").
Matt. 24:22 And except those (1260) days, (3.5 years, 1942-45 AD: [Rev 11
, should be shortened, there should no (Jewish) flesh be saved: but for (the chosen Jews'), the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.MARK 13:19
For in those (3 1/2) "days," (1942-1945), shall be affliction (for the Jews, in the Holocaust), such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be, (Never Again! Never Again they will cry out).
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days (with the victory of America), no (Jewish) flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, (those Jews who shall come to understand Jesus as their Elijah), whom he hath chosen (to be his son, Israel: Ex 4:22), he hath shortened the days.
Matt. 24:21 For then, (thereafter, during the long Diaspora that so begins), shall be great tribulation, (culminating in The Holocaust), such as, (for the Jews), was not since the beginning of the world to this time, (1942 AD), no, nor ever shall be, ("Never again!").
Matt. 24:22 And except those (1260) days, (3.5 years, 1942-45 AD: [Rev 11
MARK 13:19
For in those (3 1/2) "days," (1942-1945), shall be affliction (for the Jews, in the Holocaust), such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be, (Never Again! Never Again they will cry out).
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days (with the victory of America), no (Jewish) flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, (those Jews who shall come to understand Jesus as their Elijah), whom he hath chosen (to be his son, Israel: Ex 4:22), he hath shortened the days.
I am just gpoing to begin reporting posts that appear like this. If you want to rewrite the bible to suit your worldview rather than rewriting your worlview to suit the bibel, start a blog.
This has nothing to do with the topic and is spam.
I'm not offended.
It just has no place in this topic discussion. He is making statements about the Holocaust and that Jesus was really Elijah (an argument that has already been fully dismantled). It doesn't belong in this thread.
I can judge his posts based on the huge gaps between his claims and what he thinks passes for evidence. I don't need the irrelevant acid trip to have already gained a proper perspective based on the wide array of bs he has already posted.
It just has no place in this topic discussion. He is making statements about the Holocaust and that Jesus was really Elijah (an argument that has already been fully dismantled). It doesn't belong in this thread.
I can judge his posts based on the huge gaps between his claims and what he thinks passes for evidence. I don't need the irrelevant acid trip to have already gained a proper perspective based on the wide array of bs he has already posted.
