Bible Study What in a Biblical sense does the word dead mean?

[Nathan]

Jesus wept WHY?
Was laz dead?

Why Jesus wept, which we can definetly take as literal, is most likely because of simple human emotion. It says He was deeply moved in His spirit. So it's safe to say that emotions were very strong. Probably the same strength of emotions we see when He overthrew the money tables. I think it shows just how human God became in order to sympathize with us.

Laz dead? Most definetly. In fact, Jesus said He was glad Laz died. That might be also why the emotion was so high. Laz needed to be dead dead in order that Jesus could show His power.

I heard somewhere that Jews believed a person was dead dead after three days. As in that's how long it took for the soul to leave the body. That's probably why Jesus waited so long, then couple it with the emotions of those around, and top it off with the faith Mary showed that if He had only come sooner Laz wouldn't be dead.

No wonder He wept. I know I would have. But I can be a big cry baby sometimes.

 

[reba]

I will say i believe Jesus wept for their unbelief

 

[Nathan]

I will say i believe Jesus wept for their unbelief

I think your right. I just looked up the words used and it definetly is a weeping not from sorrow.

I'll post the words tomorrow, too hard on this phone screen.

Guess it just goes to show you can read one thing in the English language and assume something based on first impressions. The Greek language is so much more descriptive.

 

[reba]

Jesus took His time getting to Laz making sure those around him could not say he was jut knocked out..

 

[Northman]

If Jesus was weeping for their unbelief, wouldn't that be a weeping from sorrow?

 

[Nathan]

If Jesus was weeping for their unbelief, wouldn't that be a weeping from sorrow?

I meant it wasn't the sorrow I was thinking.

But yes, the word "groaned" actually leans more to anger than sorrow. I'm not saying He was angry, but the word used is very interesting.

 

[reba]

Jesus knew Laz was going to live again in Laz's life time ..

Joh 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
Joh 11:34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.
Joh 11:35 Jesus wept.

 

[Nathan]

Jesus knew Laz was going to live again in Laz's life time ..

Joh 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
Joh 11:34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.
Joh 11:35 Jesus wept.

For sure! Jesus knew everything. If only they knew, any of those who followed Him, that He did they might have asked a whole lot more questions. I know I would have!

I think they eventually caught on though. They did start asking a lot more questions toward the end of His time on earth.

 

[Edward]

That is an interesting word. He was distressed or angry according to the greek dictionary;

Groaned
ἐμβριμάομαι embrimáomai, em-brim-ah'-om-ahee; from G1722 and βριμάομαι brimáomai (to snort with anger); to have indignation on, i.e. (transitively) to blame, (intransitively) to sigh with chagrin, (specially) to sternly enjoin:—straitly charge, groan, murmur against.../

That's very curious. Why would He feel indignation in this situation? It probably had to be because of their unbelief. Oh, look how He answered Martha...

Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?.../

Sure sounds like it.

 

[Nathan]

Post up the word for troubled too Edward. It gives more insight also.

 

[Edward]

Ok, "Troubled", I took from John 12:27 because it doesn't appear in my translation in this passage

to agitate, trouble (a thing, by the movement of its parts to and fro)

1. to cause one inward commotion, take away his calmness of mind, disturb his equanimity
   
   
2. to disquiet, make restless
   
   
3. to stir up
   
   
4. to trouble
   
   1. to strike one's spirit with fear and dread
      
5. to render anxious or distressed
   
   
6. to perplex the mind of one by suggesting scruples or doubts
   

 

[Nathan]

Yup, that's the word. Thanks.

 

[Nathan]

Ok, I just saw a rabbit. Do we have an emoji for that?

I wonder if He feels the same way now? When believers doubt Him or react like they did then?

If so, wouldn't we know it? His spirit is in us. The passage said that this happened in His spirit.

Makes one think some.

 

[reba]

They mary & martha said the right words.. but did not grasp the full meaning ... a picture of Christians from the beginning


Joh 11:22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
Joh 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Luk_8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.

Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Rev_20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Just a few examples of the word 'dead' .. I am not forgetting context has much to do with our understanding ...

Every human being is condemned to death or are already dead. God has not lifted His curse and condemnation that He called for upon His creation, and He is not saving this creation as it is.(Gen. 6:5-7) That is what Salvation is (saved from the wrath of the everlasting Gospel) (Judgment) Rev. 14:6-7. Only the born again have escaped death and are alive in Christ.(Eph. 2:1-10).

 

[Corn Pop]

As i see it, and as i see how easy it is to get confused, most of scripture I believe is talking about being spiritualy dead. I hardly ever take the word 'dead or 'death' in scripture as a physical death.

 

[Nathan]

I also find it interesting that it says some of them believed He could have healed Laz, but obviously did not think He could raise Him from the dead. So its like they thought He had enough power to do certain things, but not all things. I could see this if we were talking about modern medicine where a doctor has the ability to help someone, but in that day He made the blind to see through His own power.

John 11:37
But some of them said, “Could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man also have kept this man from dying?”

So why would they think that death was too great for Him?

 

[Chopper]

Hi Reba. The word dead has many meanings in Scripture from a physical death from this life to the next life of everlasting life for the believer in Christ Jesus to the death of an unsaved person to everlasting separation from our creator God. When I view my neighbors, some are just not saved because of not knowing the Gospel. Some are homosexuals (three couples). Now, I view those who have not heard the Gospel, they are dead in their trespasses. The homosexuals are more dead because they know the Gospel but refuse as it says in Romans Chapter 1. (Just my crazy thinking)

1Peter 2:24 "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."....Wuest.."The phrase "being dead to sins" is literally, "having become off with respect to sins." It speaks of the action of God in breaking the power of the sinful nature in the sinner when he puts his faith in the Lord Jesus as Saviour. Henceforth he need not be a slave to sin." (Comment by Kenneth Wuest)

This death that Peter speaks of here is what motivates me to preach the Gospel. There are those folks who are just dead to the reality of God and His Son. Many have heard the Gospel but are simply dead to any response. I call them "The walking dead". As I study Israel in the Old Testament, they appear alive to the idols of the surrounding nations, but dead to the commands of Elohim.

O Reba, the walking dead. They have been my focus ever since I got saved. I want them to be alive in Christ Jesus. Our beloved Country, the USA has been deadened by wicked leaders and wicked people. O that God would send a great spiritual awakening to wake up those who are dead in their trespasses and sins.

 

[Jim Parker]

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

"Dead in trespasses and sins" refers to the fact that all of mankind has sinned (Ro 3:23) and that the wages of sin is death. (Rom 6:23) That "death" is both spiritual (separation from God) and physical. (This body quits working.)

Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

This again refers to both kinds of "dead". The (spiritually) dead can bury their (physically) dead.

Luk_8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.

Refers to physical death.


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