What is "church"?

[gingercat]

I am sorry I mixed up your name because it is so unusual for me.

I meant Stove :

You see what I mean? You are trying to convicne me I am wrong. I am sorry I will not let you lead to get into rabbit trail.

You have too many tactics to fight against your enemies who don't agree with you. I cannot shake them off. :wink:

I always pay attention to Christians' fruit and not how they can sound biblical or reasonable. You always come up with other excuses.

Remember, the churches have reputation of hypocrite in this country. It is bad fruit.

 

[stovebolts]

Gingercat,

I am not trying to convince you that you are wrong. Matter of fact, you were spot on with the results that occur when one lives in Christ (the Church).

In order to produce fruits of the Spirit, one must be IN Christ.
Christ dwells within His Church. He is the Head, and we make up His body. This is how we enter into the kingdom.

 

[gingercat]

Gingercat,

I am not trying to convince you that you are wrong. Matter of fact, you were spot on with the results that occur when one lives in Christ (the Church).

In order to produce fruits of the Spirit, one must be IN Christ.
Christ dwells within His Church. He is the Head, and we make up His body. This is how we enter into the kingdom.

What do you mean you are not trying to prove me worng. You are saying that attending organized churches is the only way to be in Christ.

Stove, that's how you are trying to keep churchgoers in your churches.

You think you are right and I think I am right. You think you are interpreting right and I dont agree.

I don't agree with the churches interpretaion of the Church, Bible interpretations and practices.

We will never see eye to eye and Truth is only one. We just have to wait and see who is right on that Day.

You seem to forget very important to discern; to look for the fruit.

The organized churches reputaion is not good. Billy Graham often states that most churchgoers are not committed Christians. I don't believe you can bear fruit without commitment for Him. You cannot follow Jesus without commitment.

 

[thessalonian]

Ginger, are the people who go to Churches going to hell in your view?

 

[gingercat]

Ginger, are the people who go to Churches going to hell in your view?

It is up to Jesus to decide. I don't know how He judges us people. It is so compilicated because not everyone heard Jesus. I am not going to contribute to bad witnesses and bad reputation. This is my conviction that if we are being bad witnesses for Him we are misrepresenting Him and giving non-believers excuses not to listen to us. Christians have enormous responsibilities. The way organized churches handling their people is not Jesus' way IMHO.

 

[Solo]

Ginger, are the people who go to Churches going to hell in your view?

It is up to Jesus to decide. I don't know how He judges us people. It is so compilicated because not everyone heard Jesus. I am not going to contribute to bad witnesses and bad reputation. This is my conviction that if we are being bad witnesses for Him we are misrepresenting Him and giving non-believers excuses not to listen to us. Christians have enormous responsibilities. The way organized churches handling their people is not Jesus' way IMHO.

Your humble opinion is not humble. You are acting like the devil himself as you accuse brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus for worshipping the Lord of Lords and King of Kings as they come together. satan doesn't like believers to meet and pray and worship God together either. He and you have a lot in common.

Jesus has already decided and he said that you would know the brethren by whether they loved one another. You have shown that you do not love anyone that attends a Church outside of your home. That resonates with selfishness and ungodly pride.

 

[thessalonian]

It is up to Jesus to decide. I don't know how He judges us people.

You already decide, casting judgements on myself, solo, stovebolts and anybody who attends a church. Calling us decievers, claiming to know our fruits, etc. etc. While on the other hand praising all of those who do not go to Church. This simple means of your deciding who is good and who is evil betrays your words. Now tell me, are you a sinner or a liar?

 

[gingercat]

It is up to Jesus to decide. I don't know how He judges us people.

You already decide, casting judgements on myself, solo, stovebolts and anybody who attends a church. Calling us decievers, claiming to know our fruits, etc. etc. While on the other hand praising all of those who do not go to Church. This simple means of your deciding who is good and who is evil betrays your words. Now tell me, are you a sinner or a liar?

solo and thess,

So now because I don't agree with you guys, you are gang attacking me. That's how it goes with organized churches. That's how you ostracize the house churched Christians. You are saying that I am attacking the brethren. You are saying that house churched Christians are not Christians?

Again. It is up to Him to decide who is right. You guys have been fighting agianst other denominations, and it is ok to attack other denomination for you but not us house churched christians?

You are calling me demon possesed I call you blind.

Lets wait and see His judgement on our claims. Mean time I will not let you stop me from speaking up my convictions.

You have been avoiding the obvious evidence fo Christianity when we talk about the Christianity.

We know by our fruit if we are true followers of Him or not and Organized churches have reputation of hypocrites. I will repeat the same thing because you keep avoid the evidence and bullying people around with the mumbers. What you are doing is nothing but bullying.

You are the super majority. we are super minority.

The Bible tells us plainely that narrow is the road that leads to life and only a few find it..

 

[Solo]

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[gingercat]

Jesus has already decided and he said that you would know the brethren by whether they loved one another. You have shown that you do not love anyone that attends a Church outside of your home. That resonates with selfishness and ungodly pride.


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solo,

You think you are being loving and I don't think you are being loving. You see solo, we are completely against each other how we understand love. I believe you are wrong. that's why I am here to protest. I will not just sit and keep my mouth shut and let you organized churches bullying us around. I will speak up for the Lord too. We have to wait and see who is working for the Lord or satan.

You organized churches have bad reputation of hypocrisy. Hycoritical churches are not His Church. Billy Graham is backing me up on my conviction. He says most churchgoers are not committed Christian. Uncommitted Christians cannot be loving Church.

All we are doing always amounts to either of God or of satan. You think I am of satan and vise versa.

His brethren are only true ones and not false ones.

 

[gingercat]

You show no fruits of being a Christian. Your convictions are not portrayed in the Word of God, only in your head. You could very well be demon possessed. Neither Thessalonian nor I said you were demon possessed, but since you bring it up, that is a possibility considering your rantings

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solo, Does it really matter how you said it? do you really think how I write is any different from yours? Do you really think you are loving towards others?

Your reasonings sure amaze me, solo.

 

[Solo]

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[gingercat]

You already decide,


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Our decisions are our convictions. Arent we all here to express our convictions? Why should I be treated any differently?


I speak up for house churched brethren and you speak up aginst them. You speak up for organized churches and against house churched one.

And again, your organized church reputation is already bad and that is your fruit, thess.

You are supporting bad fruit.

 

[Solo]

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[gingercat]

You my dear friend have done nothing on this forum since your arrival as Joyinhim, but disgrace the name of Jesus Christ by your divisive rantings against Christians and the Church of Jesus Christ. Shame on you for you inability to preach the gospel, and instead attack those that are brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.



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We have to wait and see who is disgracing His name, I believe your organized churches are disgracing His name by spreading bad reputation of hypocricy.

Bullying people to teling your theology is the only way to interpret is not loving. That's all you have being doing: All your theology is correct and others are heresy.

Every one has agenda when they come to the forums. My agenda for the Lord is alarming to the brethren not to contribute to the hypocrisy and bad witnesses. I am watching my and my family to watch out not to be a bad witnesses.

There are so many ways that organized churches keeping their hypocricy going. That's what I am doing to expose them. Of course you will deny them and fight against me.

I know you don't like them solo, but this is my mission for the Lord, and the Bible tells us to expose the evil deeds of darkness.

If I don't speak up for the Lord, He will call me coward, and I don't care how you or others judge me or call me. I just care what Jesus thinks of me. I do my best to be loyal and obedient to Him.

How do I make sure if I am in the line with Lord? By my and my family's fruit of Christianity. I hope you take a look at my testimony for the Lord. It shows how God is supporting my family. Actually I believe I already showed it to you. You just ignore inconvinient evidence?

All good things comes from the Lord. No one can do anything good, not even one.

Praise the Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Jesus!!!!!

 

[thessalonian]

Ginger,

God bless you. :-D

 

[gingercat]

You are a liar. I have not expressed any negative comments toward house churched brethren.


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solo,


You know I have being commenting I don't attend church organization and my family is my Church. You have been commenting nothing but negative about my comments. I can show you you did the same thing to other house churched fellow at least one recently.

What are you doing to me right now?

You say you are loving, Are you being loving to me with this kind of manner?

 

[Henry]

Ginger

He feels threatened that is all, and certainly he should feel that way. Since IF the church NO mean WHEN the church realizes that God's plan for church life has nothing NOTHING at all to do with the man made institutions, they will fade away.

Now they will deny right to the bitter end, but the fact is the Institional age is drawing near an end and it will like die a terrible death fighting for every last moment.

 

[Free]

We have to wait and see who is disgracing His name, I believe your organized churches are disgracing His name by spreading bad reputation of hypocricy.
....
My agenda for the Lord is alarming to the brethren not to contribute to the hypocrisy and bad witnesses. I am watching my and my family to watch out not to be a bad witnesses.

But hypocrisy is everywhere, as I have pointed it out in your own postings in these forums.

How do I make sure if I am in the line with Lord? By my and my family's fruit of Christianity.

Mormons, JWs, Wicaans and many other groups have some good fruit too but that doesn't make them "in line with the Lord".

He feels threatened that is all, and certainly he should feel that way. Since IF the church NO mean WHEN the church realizes that God's plan for church life has nothing NOTHING at all to do with the man made institutions, they will fade away.

Now they will deny right to the bitter end, but the fact is the Institional age is drawing near an end and it will like die a terrible death fighting for every last moment.

Why don't you ask gingercat, or any other person on here who doesn't believe in organized church, about what her/their doctrinal beliefs are? Then you will find out the biggest problem with home churches.

 

[gingercat]

Free,

My family's doctrine is the Bible. My family's pastor is Bible. I don't have to accomodate others' belief or casted out out because we don't agree with them.

No, we will not get any help from other believers but Lord is sufficient and He is enabling us to help other worthy organizatin such as VOM on regular basis. My family, VOM and my ministry is my fellowship.

Because we don't relying on the churches teachings, my family is happy and poweful for the Lord, and my two teen agers don't have any typical problems like many teenagers get into such as drugs and sex and other secular problems. Praise the Lord!!!! :angel: