Dougcho
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Julie (prophetess) says Jesus told her
that He prefers to be called Yahushua.
She has Hebrew roots, so I wonder
if He is referring to Hebrew people
calling Him that name.
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What is his name, and what is his son's name?
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that He prefers to be called Yahushua.
She has Hebrew roots, so I wonder
if He is referring to Hebrew people
calling Him that name.
Yes, these are all titles for the various attributes of God just as the name God is also a title and not an actual proper name like we have. In Hebrew the word "Elohim" is a category of being. It's similar to how "human" is a category of being, but not a name.
Exo 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
What is your source for this please?
live2blive
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The true name of the Father is YAHWEH. Elohim is the title. Here is a good Hebraic explanation of the connection between I AM and YAHWEH.
'I Am Who I Am'? The Meaning of God's Name in Exodus | Biblical Mind
Confusion arises about the meaning of God's name translated “I am” and the related “Yahweh” when we read those terms through Western lenses.
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In the Hebrew alphabet there are no vowels so it would be spelled YHWH. Here is an interesting historical sight I found interesting.The true name of the Father is YAHWEH. Elohim is the title. Here is a good Hebraic explanation of the connection between I AM and YAHWEH.
'I Am Who I Am'? The Meaning of God's Name in Exodus | Biblical Mind
Confusion arises about the meaning of God's name translated “I am” and the related “Yahweh” when we read those terms through Western lenses.
Yahweh | YHWH, Adonai, Elohim, Meaning, & Facts | Britannica
Yahweh, name for the God of the Israelites, representing the biblical pronunciation of ‘YHWH,’ the Hebrew name revealed to Moses in the book of Exodus. The name YHWH, consisting of the sequence of consonants Yod, Heh, Waw, and Heh, is known as the tetragrammaton.
www.britannica.com
live2blive
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Thank you for this site. This is good information. As it is correctly stated, the true pronounciation of YHWH is Yahweh.In the Hebrew alphabet there are no vowels so it would be spelled YHWH. Here is an interesting historical sight I found interesting.
Yahweh | YHWH, Adonai, Elohim, Meaning, & Facts | Britannica
Yahweh, name for the God of the Israelites, representing the biblical pronunciation of ‘YHWH,’ the Hebrew name revealed to Moses in the book of Exodus. The name YHWH, consisting of the sequence of consonants Yod, Heh, Waw, and Heh, is known as the tetragrammaton.
Two questions remain:
Is the Name of God (Yahweh) important?
What is the true name of the Son?
What would be more important is the characteristics and attributes of the many names given for the one who created heaven and earth and all things upon it that are to be about God's good pleasure.
Of course.
Prior to the incarnation, Yahweh; after the incarnation, Yeshua, or Jesus in English. He is also called The Word of God (Rev. 19:13).
live2blive
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Thank you. I agree with one important correction. Name “Yeshua” means “salvation”. The true Hebrew name of the Savior is Yahshua which means “Yahweh is salvation”.
Yahshua vs Yeshua?
Q. Why do you pronounce the savior’s name Yahshua instead of Yeshua? A. According to the Messiah in John 5:37, He came in His Father’s name. Since biblical scholarship recognizes “Yah&#…
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On the contrary:Thank you. I agree with one important correction. Name “Yeshua” means “salvation”. The true Hebrew name of the Savior is Yahshua which means “Yahweh is salvation”.
Yahshua vs Yeshua?
Q. Why do you pronounce the savior’s name Yahshua instead of Yeshua? A. According to the Messiah in John 5:37, He came in His Father’s name. Since biblical scholarship recognizes “Yah&#…
"And while we’re putting some myths to rest, here’s another one that needs to bite the dust: namely, the myth that the original Hebrew-Aramaic name of Jesus was Yahshua. In reality, there is no such name in the Hebrew language, and those of us who deny that Yahshua was His name are not part of some secret conspiracy to suppress the divine name. The truth is, His name was Yeshua—not Yahshua, which, to repeat, is a fabricated, non-existent name—and we don’t glorify the Lord or help His people by manufacturing false and worthless claims.
Worse still, some believers even divide over this, claiming that if we call on the name Jesus, we are invoking the name of a pagan god (that is sick, to be blunt), or arguing that if we don’t say Yahshua, we are dishonoring the Lord (which is patently ridiculous, to put it lightly).
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The original Hebrew-Aramaic name of Jesus is Yeshua, which is short for Yehoshua (Joshua), just as Sammy is short for Samuel. (By the way, there is no such name as Yahushua, supposedly the original pronunciation for Joshua in Hebrew—again, not true!—and God’s name was never pronounced Yahua. Throw those myths in the trash bin as well.)
The name Yeshua occurs 27 times in the Hebrew Scriptures (or Old Testament), primarily referring to the high priest after the Babylonian exile, called both Yehoshua (see Zechariah 3:3) and, more frequently, Yeshua (see Ezra 3:2). So, Yeshua’s name was not unusual; in fact, as many as five different men had that name in the Old Testament, and it was a very common name in the first century of this era. Also, Syriac-Aramaic transcriptions of the name from the first centuries of this era confirm the pronunciation of Yeshua rather than the make-believe Yahshua.
About 200 years before the time of Jesus, when Greek-speaking Jewish scholars translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek (the translation was called the Septuagint), they transcribed the Hebrew Yeshua with the Greek name Iesou(s) (pronounced yeysoos), which is ultimately how we got the English name Jesus. (There was no “sh” sound in Greek, so Hebrew “sh” became Greek “s.”)
There’s nothing mysterious here, and this is just a matter of names in one language undergoing changes when they switch into another language, like Michael in English compared to Miguel in Spanish compared to Mikhael in Russian. There is no conspiracy and no cover-up.
Where, then, did the name Yahshua come from? Someone made it up!
My educated guess is that some zealous but linguistically ignorant people thought that Yahweh’s name must have been a more overt part of our Savior’s name, hence Yahshua rather than Yeshua—but again, there is no support of any kind for this theory."
https://askdrbrown.org/article/is-the-name-jesus-really-related-to-the-name-zeus
live2blive
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As with many other things, there are differences of opinions. The fact is that the Savior’s name means “Yahweh is salvation”. The name Yahshua means exactly that, whereas “Yeshua” means “salvation”. Huge difference. More witnesses for the name Yahshua vs Yesua is here: let's everyone do his/her own investigation.
There is even a greater difference with “Jesus”, because the name of the Messiah could not have been “Jesus”. There is no sound “J” in Hebrew, Latin or Greek. The letter “J” came into English language after Shakespeare: The original King James Version of the Bible did not have the name “Jesus”.
The letter “J” wasn’t added to the alphabet until after Shakespeare.
In fact, first-edition copies of Shakespeare’s "Romeo and Juliet" from 1597 were titled "Romeo and Iuliet," as the letter “I” was often used as a written substitute.
historyfacts.com
Yes, there are some similarities of the names in different languages. However, the names are pronounced the same in different languages. Although, as you correctly said, Michael is the English variant of the Russian name Mikhail, when Gorbachev visited the US, he was called Mikhail Gorbachev and not Michael. It would have been the sign of disrespect. Conversely, the Russian name “Georgy” and the English name “George” come from the same root and mean the same thing. But in Russia, they call the first American president “George Washington” and not “Georgy Washington”.
I'm going to stick with Dr. Michael Brown who, as a Jewish Christian, is a legitimate scholar with a Ph.D. in Near Eastern Languages and Literatures. That puts the Hebrew name of Jesus, and all the related Hebrew names, within his field of expertise, unlike random internet bloggers.As with many other things, there are differences of opinions. The fact is that the Savior’s name means “Yahweh is salvation”. The name Yahshua means exactly that, whereas “Yeshua” means “salvation”. Huge difference. More witnesses for the name Yahshua vs Yesua is here: let's everyone do his/her own investigation.
If Dr. Brown says that Yahushua and Yahshua are made up, then they are made up. If he says that Yeshua is short for Yehoshua, then that is what it means. If he says there are extant sources that back up the use of Yeshua, then there are extant sources that say such.
This is all the more important since in the first source you provided, it quotes only from the Diaglott and the ExeGeses Bible, both of which are relatively new and translated by one person, which makes them highly suspect as reliable sources. More than that, the Diaglott has links to the Watch Tower, which pretty much guarantees it isn't reliable.
live2blive
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The Scriptures teach us to Prove all things; hold fast that which is good (1 Thess 5:21). This means to hear what Dr. Brown has to say, but also to hear what his opponents have to say. The fact that a person has Ph.D. does not necessarily mean that he or she is correct. I have Ph.D. (not in Hebrew though) and know from experience that those with Ph.D. are not always right. Below is a link to the arguments against the views similar to those expressed by Dr. Brown (other articles in this website are informative as well). Hopefully, they will be helpful to those who want to find out the original name of the Savior, for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:12).
Yeshua or YaHshua
Dr Botkin says Yeshua is the name to use because YaHshua is not in the Bible
www.servantsofyahshua.com
No, not always, but you have yet to provide any source that has the equivalent credentials and expertise as Dr. Brown that refutes what he says. So far it’s just random internet people.
Not a good website. Some bad theology and fallacious arguments.Below is a link to the arguments against the views similar to those expressed by Dr. Brown (other articles in this website are informative as well). Hopefully, they will be helpful to those who want to find out the original name of the Savior, for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:12).
Yeshua or YaHshua
Dr Botkin says Yeshua is the name to use because YaHshua is not in the Bible
Ernekegl673
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For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. 1 John 5: 7
live2blive
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Thank you for the verse, but how is it related to the names?
live2blive
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I did not look at their theology, but the explanation of the true names is adequate. You likely know that there are Bible scholars with the Ph.D. degrees who deny that the Messiah existed, or was God, or resurrected, or teach that he had a twin brother, etc. So, having the credentials is not a decisive argument.
Here are several statements agreed upon by many scholars:
- God’s name in the OT of the Bible is YHWH (Yahweh).
- Out of reverence, to hide the true pronunciation of the name Yahweh, the vowels from the word “Adonai” (My LORD) were put within YHWH, creating the false name “Yehovah” and later “Jehovah”.
- According to the Strong’s concordance and many other sources, the original Hebrew name of the Messiah is the same name as Joshua (Yahoshua or Yahshua) sun of Nun in the OT. It means “Yahweh is salvation”.
- In Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8, translators of the King James erroneously substituted "Jesus" for Joshua. This error confirms the fact that "Jesus" derived from the Hebrew "Joshua" (Yahshua). Other versions have inserted the proper "Joshua" in these verses.
- “Jesus” could not have been the Savior’s name as there is no letter “J” in Hebrew, Greek or Latin. Letter “J” came in the English language only in 1600s.
- The name Yahoshua in Babylonian captivity was shortened and became the Aramaic name “Yeshua”. “Ya” was changed to “Ye”, like in the name of the Father “Yah” was changed to “Yeh”.
- The name given by the angel to the Messiah was not Aramaic but Hebrew (Acts 26:14).
- “Yeshua” in Hebrew means “he saves”, whereas the true name of the Savior means “Yahweh is salvation”. Therefore, Yeshua is an erroneous name which takes away the name and glory of the Father. The Messiah said that He came in His Father’s name (John 5:43).
In conclusion, the composite name which conveys the true pronunciation and preserves the meaning “Yahweh is salvation” is Yahshua (YAH – first part of the name Yahweh and SHUA meaning “salvation”).
Because there are Bible scholars who are not Christian. It's worldview and personal biases that have such influences on interpretation.
And, yet, those with relevant credentials who are Christian, carry significantly more weight in their understanding of Scripture than those who don't.
According to Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Definitions, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Strong's, the New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance, and Young's Analytical Concordance to the Bible, "Joshua" is the Hebrew Yehoshua, not Yahoshua. There is no such name in Hebrew as Yahoshua. Hence, the shortened form would be Yeshua.
Where would the evidence be for this since it isn't in the Hebrew text?
Non-sequtur. It could be the case, that the name given was in Hebrew, but it doesn't follow that because Saul heard a voice speak to him in Hebrew that therefore the name given to the Messiah was in Hebrew and not Aramaic. The name could have been given in Aramaic. Not that it has any bearing on the matter.
No, Yeshua is the correct name and being the shortened form of Yehoshua, means "Yahweh is salvation." The fact remains, there are no such names as Yahoshua and Yahshua in Hebrew.
Bruce.Leiter
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That verse has an interesting but puzzling context:
Pro 30:4 Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name? Surely you know!
Pro 30:5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Pro 30:6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
It's hard for me to understand what the writer of this proverb is driving at in verse 4. Of course, the Scriptures give names to the Persons of the Trinity: Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is called Immanuel, Christ or Messiah, and Lord. Why do you have to have more names than the Bible gives them, or do you?
live2blive
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Cuneiform tablets (also containing vowels) were discovered near the Ishtar gate in Babylon which give a list of workers and captives to whom rations were given. Cuneiform scripts contain vowels. In addition to validating the biblical account in 2Kings 25:27-29 where it mentions that Jehoiachin (Yahuiachin) ate at the king’s table, these tablets help to establish the way these names were pronounced before the Masorite scribes inserted their vowel pointing, based on tradition:
Also, a family of Jewish businessmen living in the Mesopotamian city of Kippur in the fifth century BC left behind a collection of clay tablets recording their commercial transactions. The clay tablets, known as the Murashu documents, contain vowels and list the names of about 70 Jewish settlers in Persia. The Hebrew names which begin with יהו (Yod Heh Waw) are all written “Yahu-” and never “Yeho”.
Notice that not only were names beginning with “Yeho” written as “Yahu”, but also names beginning with “Yo” such as “Yochanan” (John) and “Yoel” (Joel) were written as “Yahu”. This indicates John and Joel were originally pronounced “Yahuchanan” and “Yahuel”.
A third witness is found in an inscription of the Assyrian monarch Tiglath-pileser III (Gressmann Bilder 348; ANET 282a). When listing those kings who were paying tribute to this Assyrian King, it mentions “Yauhazi”, also known as “Ahaz”. Various lexicons such as the New Brown-Driver-Briggs-Gesenius Hebrew-English Lexicon (p. 219 b) and the Hebrew Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament (under “Ahaz”) mention this inscription as well.
With all the evidence, it becomes clear that the name was never originally pronounced “Yehoshua”. Rather “Yahushua” is more correct and there is no reason to mispronounce the Heavenly Father’s name when speaking the name of His Son.
Pronunciation of the Messiah's Name (Yahushua) - EliYah Ministries
Why should we call the Messiah Yahushua rather than Yeshua, Yehoshua, Yahusha, or Yahshua? In-depth article and video shows why.
eliyah.com