What is the gay life style.

[jasoncran]

bring her on this forum, she actually is a transgender not a lesbian, a lesbian has no desire to change their sex, a transgendered is atracted to the opposite sex of the gender that they feel that are, btw at the age of 10 i used to have the same thing with looking at men. and much later i acted on that, and i have been delivered because a bold christian informed me about Romans 1.

i understand why gays want what they want , but know that the gay lifestyle is sin and a lie out of hell, they need our prayers.

jason

 

[Midgwy]

bring her on this forum, she actually is a transgender not a lesbian, a lesbian has no desire to change their sex, a transgendered is atracted to the opposite sex of the gender that they feel that are, btw at the age of 10 i used to have the same thing with looking at men. and much later i acted on that, and i have been delivered because a bold christian informed me about Romans 1.

i understand why gays want what they want , but know that the gay lifestyle is sin and a lie out of hell, they need our prayers.

jason

Amen brother, they really do need our prayers. But they need Christians to be strong in the Lord and the power of His might also. We are the Lord's voice in this world and His hands and feet too. As the Father sent the Son into the world, so has Jesus sent us into the world.

This family member I spoke of doesn't have a computer, and doesn't want one and lives about 2 hours away from me. I don't know all the little details of her deliverance, but I know what I saw and what she has shared with me of her testimony. Before her deliverance her countenance was very dark , and she looked and dressed like a man. Afterward and since (30 yrs now) she is light, compassionate and passionate about the Lord Jesus. She dresses and acts female now and does NOT struggle to stay free, she is free. She is a new creature in Christ. She did tell me though, that had God not gotten her delivered when He did, she would have eventually had a sex change operation. She is the dearest Christian I know now. She speaks of Jesus all the time and is a witness everywhere she goes. I think Romans 1 was one of the scriptures she said that Christians told her of too. She said great conviction came upon her when they did and she got a bible and looked it up herself. After that she told me she cried to God for His help and He came into her living room in a bright light. That's all I know basically. God is so good and loves us even when we are sinners. He wants people set FREE.

 

[Solo]

I keep hearing about this thing called the Homosexual/gay life style. No one will define it. I already listed over a dozen different sub cultures within the gay community in the most recent locked thread from CE.. I have not seen a single lifestyle, but many different lifestyles.

So I ask, What is the gay lifestyle? I don't want a pornagraphic description. Just is the characteristics of the lifestyle?

Just as there are many "lifestyles" of the heterosexual, there are also many lifestyles of the homosexual. A homosexual lifestyle is based on same-sex sexual relationships and all of the trappings of life enveloped by it.

Is a homosexual lifestyle acceptable to God Almighty?

No.

• 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth ; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written , The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen , being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful ; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened . 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools , 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator , who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another ; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet . 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient ; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:16-32

 

[Solo]

Areo_Hudson...You are the one trying to drag me into a discussion on the "law" here, I have said enough on that crap. But, if you are saying I don't love Lance's soul then that is a complete lie based on total fabrication.

I'm not saying that at all. Here is what I take issue with...

- Stating I am an appeaser because I feel that homosexuals should not be discriminated against.
- Concerned how some view the Bible or "God's Law" to justify discrimination.

That's really the bottom line for me. I am in no way stating that you do not love Lance as your neighbor. However, I do question how you define / show that love. It really does concern me and not just with what I read with some of your posts. I have the same concerns with others on and off these boards.

I never called you an appeaser, you are the one who filled in that blank with yourself. LOL

I will just ask the question...in your mind, am I an appeaser?

In my mind you are not an appeaser. You are an apologist for the worldview that is against the Word of God. You posted that you are a newborn member of the body of Christ as of this year, and your positions reflect your immaturity in the truth of the Word of God. You still expound on subjects painted in the light of a preconceived worldly image of "your" truth, not God's. You would do yourself a great amount of good if you would pray, meditate, and study the Word of God free from your preconceived worldview before commenting on subjects that remain uncircumcised in your heart.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

Areo_Hudson...You are the one trying to drag me into a discussion on the "law" here, I have said enough on that crap. But, if you are saying I don't love Lance's soul then that is a complete lie based on total fabrication.

I'm not saying that at all. Here is what I take issue with...

- Stating I am an appeaser because I feel that homosexuals should not be discriminated against.
- Concerned how some view the Bible or "God's Law" to justify discrimination.

That's really the bottom line for me. I am in no way stating that you do not love Lance as your neighbor. However, I do question how you define / show that love. It really does concern me and not just with what I read with some of your posts. I have the same concerns with others on and off these boards.

[quote="Aero_Hudson":1sz1umjy]

I never called you an appeaser, you are the one who filled in that blank with yourself. LOL

I will just ask the question...in your mind, am I an appeaser?

In my mind you are not an appeaser. You are an apologist for the worldview that is against the Word of God. You posted that you are a newborn member of the body of Christ as of this year, and your positions reflect your immaturity in the truth of the Word of God. You still expound on subjects painted in the light of a preconceived worldly image of "your" truth, not God's. You would do yourself a great amount of good if you would pray, meditate, and study the Word of God free from your preconceived worldview before commenting on subjects that remain uncircumcised in your heart.[/quote:1sz1umjy]

Thanks Solo but I'm good. Where you see the world through eyes laden in fear I see the world through the eyes of hope.

 

[Veritas]

So I ask, What is the gay lifestyle? I don't want a pornagraphic description. Just is the characteristics of the lifestyle?

Acting on, or the thought of acting on, sexual desires for the same sex as yourself.

It doesn't matter what specific type it is if you consider what Jesus said regarding it.

Actually, acting on, or the thought of acting on, any kind of sexual desire outside of marriage as God defines it, is a sin.

 

[Solo]

Areo_Hudson...You are the one trying to drag me into a discussion on the "law" here, I have said enough on that crap. But, if you are saying I don't love Lance's soul then that is a complete lie based on total fabrication.

I'm not saying that at all. Here is what I take issue with...

- Stating I am an appeaser because I feel that homosexuals should not be discriminated against.
- Concerned how some view the Bible or "God's Law" to justify discrimination.

That's really the bottom line for me. I am in no way stating that you do not love Lance as your neighbor. However, I do question how you define / show that love. It really does concern me and not just with what I read with some of your posts. I have the same concerns with others on and off these boards.

I never called you an appeaser, you are the one who filled in that blank with yourself. LOL

I will just ask the question...in your mind, am I an appeaser?

In my mind you are not an appeaser. You are an apologist for the worldview that is against the Word of God. You posted that you are a newborn member of the body of Christ as of this year, and your positions reflect your immaturity in the truth of the Word of God. You still expound on subjects painted in the light of a preconceived worldly image of "your" truth, not God's. You would do yourself a great amount of good if you would pray, meditate, and study the Word of God free from your preconceived worldview before commenting on subjects that remain uncircumcised in your heart.

Thanks Solo but I'm good. Where you see the world through eyes laden in fear I see the world through the eyes of hope.

Again you misread my words or are confused. I am afraid of nothing other than a fear of God. God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of a sound mind, and of love to warn others of the lies and deceptions of the enemy of God Almighty in spite of the false witness of many.

Also, a believer's hope is not in the worldview and its works; but in the work of Jesus Christ.
Those who hope in the world and its ways are at enmity with God according to His Word.

7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
2 Timothy 1:7

1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust , and have not: ye kill , and desire to have , and cannot obtain : ye fight and war , yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask , and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith , God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted , and mourn , and weep : let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up . 11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy : who art thou that judgest another? 13 Go to now, ye that say , To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell , and get gain : 14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away . 15 For that ye ought to say , If the Lord will , we shall live , and do this, or that. 16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. 17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
James 4:1-17

I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called , 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith , When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended , what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro , and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness , whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part , maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. 17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk , in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened , being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. 20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry , and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour , working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth . 29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers . 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another , tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 4:1-32

 

[TheCatholic]

......I keep hearing about this thing called the Homosexual/gay life style. No one will define it........

I would think that it is the gay lifestyle (homosexual partnership) and the celebration of such

 

[Lance_Iguana]

......I keep hearing about this thing called the Homosexual/gay life style. No one will define it........

I would think that it is the gay lifestyle (homosexual partnership) and the celebration of such

Wich is the celebration of what exactly?

As in what ideals and rituals would they be celebrating?

 

[GojuBrian]

Why don't you just pm me with what you want to hear Lance and save us all the agony.........

 

[TheCatholic]

[quote="Lance_Iguana":1qna6k7l]......I keep hearing about this thing called the Homosexual/gay life style. No one will define it........

I would think that it is the gay lifestyle (homosexual partnership) and the celebration of such

Wich is the celebration of what exactly?

As in what ideals and rituals would they be celebrating?[/quote:1qna6k7l]

Are you kidding? The ideal they would be celebrating is homosexual relationship

 

[Aero_Hudson]

Areo_Hudson...You are the one trying to drag me into a discussion on the "law" here, I have said enough on that crap. But, if you are saying I don't love Lance's soul then that is a complete lie based on total fabrication.

I'm not saying that at all. Here is what I take issue with...

- Stating I am an appeaser because I feel that homosexuals should not be discriminated against.
- Concerned how some view the Bible or "God's Law" to justify discrimination.

That's really the bottom line for me. I am in no way stating that you do not love Lance as your neighbor. However, I do question how you define / show that love. It really does concern me and not just with what I read with some of your posts. I have the same concerns with others on and off these boards.

[quote="Aero_Hudson":3f6z4qiy]

I never called you an appeaser, you are the one who filled in that blank with yourself. LOL

I will just ask the question...in your mind, am I an appeaser?

In my mind you are not an appeaser. You are an apologist for the worldview that is against the Word of God. You posted that you are a newborn member of the body of Christ as of this year, and your positions reflect your immaturity in the truth of the Word of God. You still expound on subjects painted in the light of a preconceived worldly image of "your" truth, not God's. You would do yourself a great amount of good if you would pray, meditate, and study the Word of God free from your preconceived worldview before commenting on subjects that remain uncircumcised in your heart.

Thanks Solo but I'm good. Where you see the world through eyes laden in fear I see the world through the eyes of hope.

Again you misread my words or are confused. I am afraid of nothing other than a fear of God. God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of a sound mind, and of love to warn others of the lies and deceptions of the enemy of God Almighty in spite of the false witness of many.

Also, a believer's hope is not in the worldview and its works; but in the work of Jesus Christ.
Those who hope in the world and its ways are at enmity with God according to His Word.

7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
2 Timothy 1:7

1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust , and have not: ye kill , and desire to have , and cannot obtain : ye fight and war , yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask , and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith , God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted , and mourn , and weep : let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up . 11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy : who art thou that judgest another? 13 Go to now, ye that say , To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell , and get gain : 14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away . 15 For that ye ought to say , If the Lord will , we shall live , and do this, or that. 16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. 17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
James 4:1-17

I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called , 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith , When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended , what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro , and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness , whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part , maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. 17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk , in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened , being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. 20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry , and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour , working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth . 29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers . 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another , tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 4:1-32

[/quote:3f6z4qiy]

I think you misread the teachings of Christ. I am not hopeful in worldly things but hopeful in bringing the Kingdom of God to the Earth today. That is what Christ teaches. Don't wait until you die to experience the Kingdom of God...bring it to Earth now for all to experience. I think you misunderstand me.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Are you kidding? The ideal they would be celebrating is homosexual relationship

So the gay life style is celibrating the gay lifestyle?


Thats called circular logic. Its not an answere. What entails a homosexual lifestyle/relationship?

 

[Solo]

I think you misread the teachings of Christ. I am not hopeful in worldly things but hopeful in bringing the Kingdom of God to the Earth today. That is what Christ teaches. Don't wait until you die to experience the Kingdom of God...bring it to Earth now for all to experience. I think you misunderstand me.

That's okay that you think that. You will be able to understand the teachings of Christ Jesus better after you have matured in the body of Christ. Keep reading the Word of God without relying on your preconceived notions, and exercise your faith in all that you do; and you will be fine. Do not lean on your own understanding, but trust in the Lord with All of your heart, and acknowledge Him in All of your ways, and He will direct your paths.

5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
Proverbs 3:5-8

God is Spirit. The Kingdom of God is spiritual. All who worship God must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh , when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship : for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh , and now is , when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 4:21-24

The Kingdom of God is extended to all mankind through Jesus Christ, but not all mankind receives the Kingdom of God.

5 Jesus answered , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth , and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh , and whither it goeth : so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be ? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know , and testify that we have seen ; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe , if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up : 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish , but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish , but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved . 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned : but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved . 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest , that they are wrought in God.
John 3:5-21

Jesus prayed that God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven; however, a rebellious group of mankind continue in their unbelief; rejecting the grace of God's salvation.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come . Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Matthew 6:9-13

This will continue until Jesus comes to set up His kingdom on earth. At the culmination of all of God's 7000 year plan in time to remove rebellion from His creation, He will live with man where there will be no more tears, no more sorrow, no more pain, no more crying, no more death. Death is the last enemy that is to be defeated and it will be cast into the lake of fire for ever.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die , even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign , till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1 Corinthians 15:21=26

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away ; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying , Behold , the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away . 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write : for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done . I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable , and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 21:1-8

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away ; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened : and another book was opened , which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:10-15

 

[Cornelius]

So, what is the gay lifestyle?

Forgive me for not reading through this whole tread I only want to answer you on this.

Its simple. A gay lifestyle is where a person lives willingly in a same sex relationship or engages willingly in same sex relations.

Paul mentions homosexuality as one of the sins that some Christians WERE involved in.So its not new to our era, nor is the sin unique. Like ALL sin, the person needs not take the Bible route to get out of it. I am sure not an easy task, but then the Bible tells us that God has already made provision for all and everybody who want to come out of ANY type of sin. Paul tells us that only Jesus can help. That would be true advice for ALL sins , not just for those who have been trapped in homosexuality (mostly through demonic forces passed on through their bloodlines. Most homosexual people have been abused as children and that spirit was passed on to them. against their will. )

The Word is the Sword that will remove this demon from a person. Truth against the lie. You have fight it with Truth (Jesus said He is the Truth) So we conquer sin by standing on the reality of the Word and not going through life trusting in what we see and feel.

Trusting in the Word alone ........ALWAYS brings a miracle.

 

[walter]

I think some people think that if they show sympathy and understanding toward a group they don't agree with that they are somehow complicite in their sin.

I see this as doing more to hamper relations than anything among christians.

This makes me think of the saying, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Appeasing sin is hatred towards those who are bound.. and an attempt to make oneself comfortable and well liked.

Who said anything about appeasing sin?!

Being nice to people and trying to accept them aside from their sin is appeasing sin?

So many people on this forum and in churches everywhere betray their lack of understanding by their knee jerk reactions to what is said. Take some time to truly evaluate what some one is saying.

 

[destiny]

I think some people think that if they show sympathy and understanding toward a group they don't agree with that they are somehow complicite in their sin.

I see this as doing more to hamper relations than anything among christians.

This makes me think of the saying, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Appeasing sin is hatred towards those who are bound.. and an attempt to make oneself comfortable and well liked.

Who said anything about appeasing sin?!

Being nice to people and trying to accept them aside from their sin is appeasing sin?

So many people on this forum and in churches everywhere betray their lack of understanding by their knee jerk reactions to what is said. Take some time to truly evaluate what some one is saying.

Sorry Walter, Sometimes my responses reflect where I've been reading and involved, and are removed from the whole context of who I actually am. I actually agree with you, it seems most times on forums everything is a pitted debate over some controversial issue instead of actual testimony of our Lord and civil dialog.

 

[Solo]

I think some people think that if they show sympathy and understanding toward a group they don't agree with that they are somehow complicite in their sin.

I see this as doing more to hamper relations than anything among christians.

This makes me think of the saying, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Appeasing sin is hatred towards those who are bound.. and an attempt to make oneself comfortable and well liked.

Who said anything about appeasing sin?!

Being nice to people and trying to accept them aside from their sin is appeasing sin?

So many people on this forum and in churches everywhere betray their lack of understanding by their knee jerk reactions to what is said. Take some time to truly evaluate what some one is saying.

Did I see a knee jerk?!

 

[TheCatholic]

Who said anything about appeasing sin?!

Being nice to people and trying to accept them aside from their sin is appeasing sin?

Depends on what you mean by "being nice".

The word "Nice" actually comes from an old Latin word Niche which means "ignorant". Maybe thats where they get the phrase ignorance is bliss.

Jesus was a lot of things, but he was not "nice". Authentic love can aften be stern, and may require being truthful to someone for their own good, even if the truth may sting a bit. There is no love in standing idly by and watching people to sin their way merrily to hell while we keep our mouths shut.

 

[Nick]

Who said anything about appeasing sin?!

Being nice to people and trying to accept them aside from their sin is appeasing sin?

Depends on what you mean by "being nice".

The word "Nice" actually comes from an old Latin word Niche which means "ignorant". Maybe thats where they get the phrase ignorance is bliss.

Jesus was a lot of things, but he was not "nice". Authentic love can aften be stern, and may require being truthful to someone for their own good, even if the truth may sting a bit. There is no love in standing idly by and watching people to sin their way merrily to hell while we keep our mouths shut.

Perhaps we're talking here about acceptance? Including them and not excluding them from society?