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What is the gospel?

for_his_glory said:
Sorry, but I do not see it as a formula, but those things we need to do for our salvation in Christ. Believe, confess and then start to learn about Jesus.
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Romans 10:8-10, "But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we preach),because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation."

There is nothing here about starting to learn about Jesus; that is you personal add-on.
 
for_his_glory said:
You asked two questions in the OP
1. What is the gospel?
2. How does one obey it?

I answered those two questions in my post #14 and made mention of repentance, being born again and how to obey the Gospel. Now you are adding about the great commission in Matthew 28:18-20, which has nothing to do with your two questions.
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Of course the great commission has everything to do with both…what is the gospel and how does one obey it. It is in the great commission that Jesus instructs his disciples what he wanted taught. This is “the gospel”.
Mk 16:15,16
Lk 24:46,47
Mt 28;18-20.
When you read these accounts you will find all that is a part of the gospel and exactly what jesus wanted preached.
The entire book of Acts is about his disciples going out and doing just what he asked them to do. Preach and spread the gospel.

Here is some of the info we find in the great commission…
Death burial and resurrection is to be taught
There is to preaching, teaching and obedience to what is taught.
Belief
repentance
baptism in the name of the father Son and HG
remission of sins
There is salvation and damnation
Christ has all authority
is to go out to all nations or every creature
If the above info is not the gospel then what is it?
 
Cnkw3 said:
Of course the great commission has everything to do with both…what is the gospel and how does one obey it. It is in the great commission that Jesus instructs his disciples what he wanted taught. This is “the gospel”.
Mk 16:15,16
Lk 24:46,47
Mt 28;18-20.
When you read these accounts you will find all that is a part of the gospel and exactly what jesus wanted preached.
The entire book of Acts is about his disciples going out and doing just what he asked them to do. Preach and spread the gospel.

Here is some of the info we find in the great commission…
Death burial and resurrection is to be taught
There is to preaching, teaching and obedience to what is taught.
Belief
repentance
baptism in the name of the father Son and HG
remission of sins
There is salvation and damnation
Christ has all authority
is to go out to all nations or every creature
If the above info is not the gospel then what is it?
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I'm not saying all of this is not part of the Gospel as maybe I am not making myself clear enough.

We know the four Gospels are the teachings of Christ in God's plan of salvation to all who by even the smallest mustard seed of faith believes in who He said He is. It's about our salvation/relationship and fellowship with Him as we learn of Him through His word. We need to first learn so we are equipped to take His word out into the world, which is the great commission. The great commission is not learning what the Gospel is, but taking what we have learned out into the world.

Gospel = the word of God
The great commission = taking the word of God to the world.

Do you see the difference?
 
jaybo said:
There is nothing here about starting to learn about Jesus; that is you personal add-on.
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How do we start to learn if we do not hear first?

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
 
for_his_glory said:
I'm not saying all of this is not part of the Gospel as maybe I am not making myself clear enough.

We know the four Gospels are the teachings of Christ in God's plan of salvation to all who by even the smallest mustard seed of faith believes in who He said He is. It's about our salvation/relationship and fellowship with Him as we learn of Him through His word. We need to first learn so we are equipped to take His word out into the world, which is the great commission. The great commission is not learning what the Gospel is, but taking what we have learned out into the world.

Gospel = the word of God
The great commission = taking the word of God to the world.

Do you see the difference?
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Ok. The point Im making is that when you “take the word of God to the world”. The word you are taking is the word that will make Christian’s. You are not taking the word to people who are already Christians. We see that beginning on Pentecost in acts 2. So, the information in that word (all the stuff i presented above that is found in the great commission) is what it takes to make a Christian.
They must hear the word preached
they must believe
repent
be baptized for remission of sins which is where salvation is found.
Then they must obey all that the lord has taught.
All of this information can be found in the great commission. What we dont find are people being sent out with a message of just believe, confess your sins and pray. That is no where in the great commission and it is why we dont see any examples of any of that taking place either. The gospel message began with the great commission. Its the last thing jesus ever had to say before he ascended to heaven. Should be pretty important than shouldn’t it?
 
Cnkw3 said:
Ok. The point Im making is that when you “take the word of God to the world”. The word you are taking is the word that will make Christian’s. You are not taking the word to people who are already Christians. We see that beginning on Pentecost in acts 2. So, the information in that word (all the stuff i presented above that is found in the great commission) is what it takes to make a Christian.
They must hear the word preached
they must believe
repent
be baptized for remission of sins which is where salvation is found.
Then they must obey all that the lord has taught.
All of this information can be found in the great commission. What we dont find are people being sent out with a message of just believe, confess your sins and pray. That is no where in the great commission and it is why we dont see any examples of any of that taking place either. The gospel message began with the great commission. Its the last thing jesus ever had to say before he ascended to heaven. Should be pretty important than shouldn’t it?
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The title of this thread is "What is the Gospel"

The Gospel is the teachings of Christ and it's our responsibility to take those teachings out to those who need to hear as faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. The great commission was first given to the Disciples to take the word of God out into the world to make disciples of every that had ears to hear. Today we still have that same charge through the Holy Spirit working through us to take the word of God to the world making more disciples of Christ until the day He returns.
 
for_his_glory said:
How do we start to learn if we do not hear first?

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
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By reading, by praying, by divine revelation, etc. Taking one verse from Paul's letter to the Christians in Rome to prove a point is poor exegesis.

Are you saying that a deaf person can't be saved?
 
The gospel, many will say, is just the death burial and resurrection of Jesus. But what Im trying to show here is that it is much more than that. Those are the foundational principles that the rest is built upon but here is another reason why I believe that preaching the gospel is more than just the above….
And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
Acts 28:30-31
What did paul spend his time preaching? Just the death burial and resurrection? No. The kingdom of God! The kingdom is the church or the body however you want to refer to it as. So information concerning the body of Christ is all a part of preaching the gospel.
Was Paul the only One?
Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 8:5,12
Preaching Christ is preaching the gospel. They are one and the same. If not, why not? What did he preach while “preaching Christ”? Not only baptism as we see above but the ”things concerning the kingdom of God”. This is the same as Paul. They all taught the same things. Don’t let people tell you different.
Also, dont let people try to confine you to the death burial and resurrection when the topic of the “gospel” comes up. It is way much more than that!
 
Cnkw3 said:
Jesus said…
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

This is pretty serious. You will be punished in flaming fire from the presence of the lord IF you don't obey the gospel of our lord Jesus Christ.
SO…..
1. What is the gospel?
2. How does one obey it?
These are 2 mandatory requirements to go to heaven.
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I am not convinced answering the question "what is the gospel" is a requirement to go to heaven.
 
Cnkw3 said:
Jesus said…
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

This is pretty serious. You will be punished in flaming fire from the presence of the lord IF you don't obey the gospel of our lord Jesus Christ.
SO…..
1. What is the gospel?
2. How does one obey it?
These are 2 mandatory requirements to go to heaven.
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Is Thessalonians speaking about the Christian or those who do not have the spirit of Christ?
 
Cnkw3 said:
No, you just dont think we need to study what “the gospel” really is. If you know then chip in and help us all because without a proper knowledge of what the gospel is you wont go to heaven.
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Where in the Bible does it say that one must have a proper knowledge of what the gospel is to go to heaven?

Try reading John 3:16, " For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

And Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."

I don't see your requirement here, so it is false.
 
Cnkw3 said:
No, you just dont think we need to study what “the gospel” really is. If you know then chip in and help us all because without a proper knowledge of what the gospel is you wont go to heaven.
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The thousands that were saved on the day of Pentecost never studied what the gospel is. Until that day they mostly only had heard what Peter preached.
 
Peterlag said:
Is Thessalonians speaking about the Christian or those who do not have the spirit of Christ?
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In the context of the first chapter we see this church (Christian’s) is being persecuted and Paul is explaining to them that God will ultimately take vengeance on those that are against him. Those that have not obeyed the gospel. This should give all the faithful comfort. It should also scare those who have not obeyed the gospel. You might say you love God but if you are obeying what man tells you over what God has told you then you are demonstrating that you dont really love or know God.
 
jaybo said:
Where in the Bible does it say that one must have a proper knowledge of what the gospel is to go to heaven?

Try reading John 3:16, " For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

And Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."

I don't see your requirement here, so it is false.
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I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
There are plenty of people that pervert the gospel. How do you know if the gospel you have been taught has been perverted or not? Only if you study and understand what the truth of the gospel is. Right?

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:6-9
I’ll say again. Unless you have proper knowledge of what the gospel is then how can you know what a false gospel looks like?
Billy Graham taught a false gospel. Did he preach Christ? Yes. Did he preach what Jesus had his apostles to preach on how to obey the gospel? No! Jesus taught…preach the gospel to every creature. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.
Billy taught.…Just come to my podium as a public confession we’ll say a prayer, I’ll give you some literature then you can go join the church of your choice. That looks nothing like acts 2. Nowhere did the apostles EVER tell anyone to do that. Thats how I know it is false, because I know what the true one looks like.
So yes, one cannot go to heaven unless they have a proper knowledge of the gospel. You can’t be taught wrong and end up right.
 
andy pandy said:
The thousands that were saved on the day of Pentecost never studied what the gospel is. Until that day they mostly only had heard what Peter preached.
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Yes. But guess what they had that you dont? They were able to witness the miraculous that was working through the apostles. This is how they knew they could trust the message. The only way we can know to trust the message today is if it lines up word for word with what these new converts in the book of acts did. Peter preached jesus. The people believed the message and he told them to repent and be baptized and that’s exactly what they did. Thats not what most preachers today tell you to do in order to obey the gospel. This is how I know they are teaching a false gospel, it doesn’t line up with what the early converts were taught. Man has perverted the gospel today and has made up his own.
 
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