You wrote that the convert had not studied "the scriptures". With all your self-professed learning, you must have missed the fact that ":the scriptures" and "the New Testament" are not synonymous.
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You wrote that the convert had not studied "the scriptures". With all your self-professed learning, you must have missed the fact that ":the scriptures" and "the New Testament" are not synonymous.
Yes, I do admit I am not perfect especially as I am facing another bout of cancer which does tend to take your focus away from the perfect gene.
How do you know that? Peter in his sermon referred back to OT information. These were all Jews. How do you know they had not studied scripture?
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Then you are not born again. Read Rom 10:13-15 and tell me why you can be “born again” without following the pattern that Paul laid out. Why do you get to do whatever you want and then say….Im born again.
HAhaha. This is great. I will submit that the “worst” people I know in discussing the Bible are the PhDs.
Dr Charles Stanley does not teach the truth of the gospel. And guess what? He is DR Charles Stanley. A lot of good it did him to get his degree. This is what I find to be true in most cases. The PhDs teach mans doctrine that they have been taught.
I guess I am not into cynicism like you are.
Aren't you?
You can't study something that has not been written.
We are talking about you. You said you were born again. How were you “born again”? All you said is that the HS came on you. Please show me in the NT where anyone was “born again” with just the HS falling on somebody.
Was Saul of Tarsus “born again”? He had to be. At what point do you think Saul of tarsus was “born again”?
Jesus prayed to God “not my will, but yours, be done” because Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42; John 5:30). They would have one will if Jesus and the Father are the same “one God.” Trinitarian doctrine claims that Luke is referring to the human will of Jesus, and not his divine will, but that is problematic because the Bible never says anything like that or even hints that Jesus had two wills in conflict with each other inside him allowing one to be human and the other to be divine.
The Bible says Jesus is an “heir” of God (Hebrew 1:2), and a “joint-heir” with us (Romans 8:17). But if Christ is a co-eternal “Person” in the “Godhead” then he cannot be an heir “of God” because being God would put him into a position to be a full owner of everything and that would mean there would be nothing he could “inherit” which is why Jesus cannot be God and an heir of God at the same time. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the “image of God” Colossians 1:15; 2 Corinthians 4:4). If Christ is the image of God, then he cannot be God because a person cannot be himself and an image of himself at the same time. Jesus can be called the “image” of God because he always did the will of God, and because he was the image of God is why he could say you had seen the Father if you had seen him.
Ephesians 4:4-6 says there is one God and one Lord and one spirit. This verse teaches exactly what the Jews expected based on the Old Testament and what Jesus, Peter, Paul, and others taught: that there was one God, one Lord, and one spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 8:6 says “for us there is one God, the Father… and one Lord, Jesus Christ.” This simple and straightforward language elucidates that the Father is God and the Son is “Lord” making a clear differentiation between the two.
The Bible says Jesus is an “heir” of God (Hebrew 1:2), and a “joint-heir” with us (Romans 8:17). But if Christ is a co-eternal “Person” in the “Godhead” then he cannot be an heir “of God” because being God would put him into a position to be a full owner of everything and that would mean there would be nothing he could “inherit” which is why Jesus cannot be God and an heir of God at the same time. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the “image of God” Colossians 1:15; 2 Corinthians 4:4). If Christ is the image of God, then he cannot be God because a person cannot be himself and an image of himself at the same time. Jesus can be called the “image” of God because he always did the will of God, and because he was the image of God is why he could say you had seen the Father if you had seen him.
Ephesians 4:4-6 says there is one God and one Lord and one spirit. This verse teaches exactly what the Jews expected based on the Old Testament and what Jesus, Peter, Paul, and others taught: that there was one God, one Lord, and one spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 8:6 says “for us there is one God, the Father… and one Lord, Jesus Christ.” This simple and straightforward language elucidates that the Father is God and the Son is “Lord” making a clear differentiation between the two.
I dont really know where you are going with this line of argument? Are you saying?……since the NT was not written down on Pentecost and these people were saved then that means we too can be saved without studying the NT gospel? If so, I would agree with you. All that is needed today, just like on Pentecost, is that a faithful preacher delivers a faithful message from the scripture and then the person hearing this faithful message is to be obedient to it just like those on Pentecost.
Rom 10:13-15.
How could those on Pentecost have faith in the message?
First, they could know the OT scriptures that Peter was referring to. Acts 17:11
second, the message was being delivered in a miraculous fashion. Does this happen today? No
SO…
How does one know today if the preacher is a faithful preacher? They must be able to read and study what has been written. When you tell me…..say some sinners prayer for salvation. How do i know you are telling me the truth? It is through a study of the scriptures we have been given. And when I study the scriptures and look at all of the conversion examples I can see that a sinners prayer for salvation is a lie and it is NOT a faithful gospel message.
This is how it works today.
You are making assumptions to support your idea of things.
And I am talking about you
That is a standard reply from someone who has total ignorance of the hard work and study that goes into gaining degrees.
I am so sorry God that I did not understand your word.
If you ask a stupid question you should expect a stupid ANSWER. However, I will muster enough grace and ignore it.
No. But believing (obeying) the Gospel is how we are saved.
This is when we are baptized into Christ (born again) by the Spirit.
Then we are baptized in water, and also we are baptized with the Holy Spirit.
3 distinct and different baptizms with 3 distinct and different baptisers.
JLB
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You have heard of something that we now call "The Old Testament", correct?
Prove it. I used my reply to try and figure out your position. So far you are not disappointing as a well versed Phd. I presented Bible to you to support what I was saying that should be easy for a well versed Bible student to break down and show me where Im wrong.
Wow! Deep reply from a PhD. I asked you a basic Bible question….
At what point was Saul of tarsus Born Again? All I get is…..”im talking about you”? Thats it. Thats what Bible degrees get you now a days?