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What is the right way to interpret Jesus' teachings regarding divorce?

Are you married? Are you a Christian?
The new board setup doesn't show that when I click on your ID link.
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Someone who isn't married trying to tell someone who is that they should remain in a violent marriage sounds really silly.

I was a counselor at a rape crisis hotline. Women would call and they were married to their rapist. More than one woman in the few years I served on the phones.
Without fail each woman would sooner or later ask the same question. Can I be raped by my husband? :sad
Yes, you certainly can.
Without exception those men would be under the influence of something at the time. And each woman in that predicament I spoke with said they were a Christian. While a few said their husband was too. One said their husband was an atheist but had lied when they were dating so she'd want him.

I left the hotline when I found out through reading the details in the paper and recalling a lady that called me and reached my extension a few times that her rapist husband had killed her.
She'd sought spiritual advice from her pastor, as I suggested, which was part of the guilt that made me leave. Her husband, the fake Christian, was approached at the garage where he worked, self-employed, by that pastor. This pastor was told by the wife the husband was atheist and had lied he was Christian during the courtship but the pastor made a go for it anyway. Thinking to appeal to his better nature.
There was none.
The husband turns out was all contrite and apologetic and humble to the pastor. A man. Who likely wouldn't take to being abused should the hubby decide to go that route.
But when the husband got home having drank himself into oblivion first, drunk driving to get there. Imagine the roads victims. He confronted the wife in a rage that she'd brought their personal business into the streets. He beat her near to death, raped her, held her at gunpoint for a day and when neighbors awoke in the morning and heard her screaming they called police. They surrounded the house, got on the phone with a mediator, which is how all these details came to us, since we worked with police and had police radio in the break room, and finally after many hours the lying husband ended the whole thing by lying again.
She's alive. She's fine. They'll come out and seek counseling.
A very short time later police heard two pops.
He'd killed her but the autopsy said she was actually dead already from being beaten to death. Husband was so in a after drunk fog he apparently didn't realize he'd been raping a corpse all night. And beating her. And he shot himself after laying beside her with their framed wedding picture on her back. That's how they were found.
Him shot through the head via mouth. Her shot in the back of the head . The bullet burying in the floor.

God have mercy.
Because she stayed. Because her pastor said the vows they took before God even when the hubby was lying, unbeknownst to the soon to be wife and pastor, God made them one forever. No divorce.

If any woman in a bad marriage is reading this that still haunts me and the sisters I worked with and still keep in touch with at the hotline, please know you are worth more than being beaten to death by your husband.
So many women I talked to who would say they were married , remember, while calling a rape crisis hotline, would say when asked why do you stay? Why don't you get out? "I love him!"

If this saves one woman from a bad marriage the tears I'm crying now recalling that lady I knew as a voice and then as a tragic report from police , will be worth it.
When you're in an abusive marriage, or even a relationship, male or female, and someone asks why don't you leave? And your first thought or answer is, "because I love him/her!" Think! Of what you're saying about love. And abuse.
"I love him who beats me till I black out. " As the man did to the young woman I told you about dying in the end.
"I love him who refuses to let me have friends and family because he's hyper jealous!" That's called an isolationist. They're dangerous. They're the type that make headlines that include, he killed her because he said if he couldn't have her no one would!

I love him......who terrifies me to the core of my being!

That is not love! That is terrorism. That is horror. That is violence. That is abuse. That is enslavement. That is rape, when he takes you against your will. YES! YES! A wife can be raped by her husband! YES!

Here is my deepest prayer and advice to anyone reading this far. If you are in an abusive relationship please, please, please, please, GOD PLEASE, let this ring through to someone reading this if they are in an abusive relationship, love yourself first!
AND GET OUT!

Don't let that you have no family or friends to run to stop you from getting away. Like isolationists want to make happen because then all you have is him/her. RUN! GET OUT! Go to a neighbor, go to police, call police, knock on someone's door away from your house if you have no transportation and ask them even if they don't open the door to call 911!

There are women's shelters that can help you. There is even an underground if you have children that can get you away.
Run to a church. If your husband or boy friend doesn't let you go to church don't worry. Run to one anyway. Most are open . But if they're not go to the back and hide till they do open. Go to a 24/7 store, like a WAWA, a Royal Farms, a 7/11, a 24 hour grocery and to the manager or counter employee and ask them to call 911.

File a complaint against your husband or wife, boyfriend or girlfriend. And no matter what do not back down. Even if that one you're pressing against beg you. Because it is a lie! You know it is. When they say, baby, I promise, I'll change! I'll never do it again! Please! Please! I don't want to go to jail baby.

Baby? You don't want to go to an early grave do you?
Call a women's crisis hotline. We're anonymous and someplace far away most likely. We can't come get you but we can certainly send police. Please, God didn't make you to die at the hands of another. Even when they're wearing a wedding band.
God made marriage!

Man made divorce because evil men don't deserve the right to abuse wives.

Links

Rape Crisis Hotlines - A DuckDuckGo list of links

Spousal Abuse Crisis Hotlines Links

Links Sanctuaries for Abused Women

DuckDuckGo search engine allows you to search by region. Which is another reason I used it as a source.

If you're reading this as one who is suffering in relationship, make sure you clear your browser cache before "he" or "she" gets home. Abusers want you to have no privacy and it is likely if they do let you on a computer that they'll check your browsing history.

Anyone who has IT knowledge please add to that information if you know other ways to keep someone safe on-line.

God be with every woman and man who cries themselves to sleep because they're terrified of the one sleeping next to them. And of course in the case of those who have children, well, that's just too much but it should go without saying that they see it all. They deserve better than to be afraid. And they will imprint watching relationship in a dysfunctional house. Boys will learn to be like bad daddy. Girls will learn to take it like sad mommy. And vice versa. Abuse is abuse. Male or female.

God bless.
 
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Reba doesn't speak for God.
Reba as we all do shares her opinion.
You are correct i do not speak for God .. His Word speaks.

Chapter and verse are given if one chooses to read in context.

1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
1Co 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
1Co_7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

Luk 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

Mat_5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
 
Those directives are to the Jews. Jesus came to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The edicts there are like unto those in the Torah.

If a woman is in a bad marriage and insists on staying there, how can we say God wants that? When God brings two people together would God want a dysfunctional relationship under his name? If a woman feels compelled to divorce because nothing works to better the situation, it would be hubris to think that will to leave isn't God leading her out.

She married the wrong man. If she stays she can miss the one God wants for her.
It is a subtle difference to distinguish our will and God's voice correcting to rightness that which we've gotten ourselves into.
I condemn no woman who divorces a man she can't live with. God forgives. And being he's omniscient he knew she was in the wrong marriage before she said I do!
God bless her. Divorced they can each find the right one for them.
In a bad marriage, after swearing to live together till death us do part, there are a great many ways to die.
God is love.
 
Those directives are to the Jews. Jesus came to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The edicts there are like unto those in the Torah.

If a woman is in a bad marriage and insists on staying there, how can we say God wants that? When God brings two people together would God want a dysfunctional relationship under his name? If a woman feels compelled to divorce because nothing works to better the situation, it would be hubris to think that will to leave isn't God leading her out.

She married the wrong man. If she stays she can miss the one God wants for her.
It is a subtle difference to distinguish our will and God's voice correcting to rightness that which we've gotten ourselves into.
I condemn no woman who divorces a man she can't live with. God forgives. And being he's omniscient he knew she was in the wrong marriage before she said I do!
God bless her. Divorced they can each find the right one for them.
In a bad marriage, after swearing to live together till death us do part, there are a great many ways to die.
God is love.

Will you please share what prats of God's Words are for today in your view?
 
This is suppose to be a Christian forum. I would think quoting Scripture that speaks to the subject would be proper..
As you said:
Reba doesn't speak for God.
Reba as we all do shares her opinion.
Gods Word speaks .. others are most welcome to share their opinions

The word above is "part"
 
This is suppose to be a Christian forum. I would think quoting Scripture that speaks to the subject would be proper..
As you said:

Gods Word speaks .. others are most welcome to share their opinions

The word above is "part"
But you won't speak to answer Uber's questions?

Though I am not a Catholic I think a man far more learned than most gave scriptures and reason to say,
.... Jesus Did Not Tell the Pharisees that Divorce is Forbidden


What helps to bring division into the body of Christ as I've encountered it over the years is that which has a strict holding to the law rather than grace. And as consequence that which affirms the law strive to impart without direct remarks others who hold to grace really aren't in God's word.

I think more than anything that this is something that overshadows the testament teachings that we are all one in Christ.
 
But you won't speak to answer Uber's questions?

Though I am not a Catholic I think a man far more learned than most gave scriptures and reason to say,
.... Jesus Did Not Tell the Pharisees that Divorce is Forbidden


What helps to bring division into the body of Christ as I've encountered it over the years is that which has a strict holding to the law rather than grace. And as consequence that which affirms the law strive to impart without direct remarks others who hold to grace really aren't in God's word.

I think more than anything that this is something that overshadows the testament teachings that we are all one in Christ.




You're right Jesus did not say that divorce was forbidden. He said that divorce without any proper cause was forbidden.




Matthew 19:7-9 Jesus then answers, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery"




And even though Jesus didn't mention an abuse situation, I'm sure that counts as a proper cause as well.
 
You're right Jesus did not say that divorce was forbidden. He said that divorce without any proper cause was forbidden.




Matthew 19:7-9 Jesus then answers, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery"




And even though Jesus didn't mention an abuse situation, I'm sure that counts as a proper cause as well.
What does the word of God say? Matthew 19:7-9 Jesus then answers, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery"

who are we to add to the Scriptures ?
 
What does the word of God say? Matthew 19:7-9 Jesus then answers, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery"

who are we to add to the Scriptures ?



I honestly don't believe the Lord expects us to stay in a marriage if we are getting abused do you?
 
In the day and time that Jesus spoke on these matters there are some things to keep in mind.

1) adulterous women were regularly stoned...no need for a divorce. (they even asked Jesus to participate in a stoning)

2) polygamy was a regularly acceptable practice so how could divorcing one and marrying another result in adultery for men under The Law?

3) Women had no access to the courts. No woman was allowed to sue anyone or bring any legal action against her husband. So often women were simply kicked out of a husband's house to wander the street. (this way he didn't have to return to her the dowry her parents paid as a divorce settlement). This was known as "Put Away" wives. (what Joseph was going to do to Mary before an angel told him to do otherwise)
 
When teaching contrary to the Scriptures is allowed .. Lambs get the idea the Word of God can be changed to fit our theology instead of us changing to fit Gods Word ... Why not just re-right the whole of Scriptures to suit our 'feelings' ?

Is the Word of God important?
Does the Word of God have authority in our lives
Who are we to say His Word does not matter ?
Are we willing to stand for God's Word?
Should not His Word be the standard?

Is one part of the Scripture more Godly then the other ?

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 
Is it any wonder there is not much difference between the world and the Church..?
Actually there is.
I can't remember the study by name but there was one that claimed that only 10% of active Christian couples get divorced.
 
When teaching contrary to the Scriptures is allowed .. Lambs get the idea the Word of God can be changed to fit our theology instead of us changing to fit Gods Word ... Why not just re-right the whole of Scriptures to suit our 'feelings' ?

Is the Word of God important?
Does the Word of God have authority in our lives
Who are we to say His Word does not matter ?
Are we willing to stand for God's Word?
Should not His Word be the standard?

Is one part of the Scripture more Godly then the other ?

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.



You did not answer my question. The Lord is the one who gave us our bodies and we are supposed to take care of them. If you were married to a man who was beating you would you stay with them? Because I know I wouldn't. The Lord doesn't mention every little thing in scriptures because sometimes He expects us to use our common sense. And no woman in their right mind would stay in an abusive relationship. Or man for that matter.
 
why ask me .. When you will not listen to God's word.
Do as you please .. we often choose to disregard the Scriptures
I would not divorce .
 
why ask me .. When you will not listen to God's word.
Do as you please .. we often choose to disregard the Scriptures
I would not divorce .




Seriously? Even if your husband was abusing your child as well?





I'm going to disagree with you on this one...too many examples to cite for this to be true. (Myself included)



I honestly can't believe you guys that God just expects us to take the abuse instead of getting out of the relationship altogether! Well, I certainly don't. Not the Lord I serve. He loves us way too much to keep us in harm's way. Well hopefully none of us have to go through that anyway. I wouldn't wish that upon anybody. No offense or anything but I'm really starting to worry about a person's sanity when they tell me they would stay with somebody no matter what even if they were getting abused.
 
And just to add a further point...
No where in scriptures does it say that we are to hate the heathen unbelievers.
In fact while we were unbelievers God chose to love us enough to die for us.

So if a Christian chooses to love and marry an atheist... okay...not a sin. It isn't recommended, but it isn't a sin.
 
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