[_ Old Earth _] What is your opinion?

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
You were surprised to learn that Darwin thought God created the first living things.

Stalin said he was from the politburo and was given all power to enrich lives

He also banned Darwinian evolution from Soviet science. Geneticists and biologists were imprisoned and killed, unless they changed their opinions. Soviet biology is still suffering from that stupidity.

There's a certain mindset that cannot tolerate Darwinian theory.

You remain out of touch with the real world

Surprise. The last world class biologist to deny Darwinian theory died around the end of the 19th century.

And as you also learned, Darwin was an orthodox Anglican when he wrote his theory. Very late in life, he described himself as an agnostic.

There are many scholarly biographers of Darwin; none that I've read claims that Darwin was wrong in calling himself an Anglican when younger, and an agnostic in old age.

 

[jesseedavis]

Hey Barb, quick question for you, if you're interested. You keep saying that the YE creationist view is contrary to the Bible and stuff like this. You've also said that the Bible describes evolution and OE type stuff. Would you be willing to point me to some passages and studies that helped you come to this conclusion? You can PM if you feel you must, it doesn't matter to me.

 

[Barbarian]

Hey Barb, quick question for you, if you're interested. You keep saying that the YE creationist view is contrary to the Bible

Yep. That "life ex nihilo" stuff.

You've also said that the Bible describes evolution and OE type stuff.

I said it was consistent with evolution and some forms of creationism. It doesn't describe evolution, any more than it describes protons.

Would you be willing to point me to some passages and studies that helped you come to this conclusion?

God says living things were brought forth by the earth. Not ex nihilo.

 

[jesseedavis]

God says living things were brought forth by the earth. Not ex nihilo.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


This passage then, I assume?

 

[Barbarian]

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Completely incompatible with the YE doctrine of "life ex nihilo." God created the universe from nothing. Everything in it, was made from existing creation, not from nothing. Nature is the way He does almost everything in this universe.

 

[jesseedavis]

Any other passages?