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What makes you a Christian

JoJo said:
I understand and agree with all that, Cornelius. But believing in Jesus as the Son of God and as the Word is still just believing. And, according to Jesus, believing is enough.
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You must read my post again, because I did address this issue in full :) Believing in Jesus as a person , God's son who came to save you , is not enough.

I have friend, who use to be a Christian and now is a witch. She gave up Christianity , because she said we are hypocrites and she wants to spend eternity in hell, because all her friends are going to hell (this is the truth , I am not making this up) She believes in Jesus and she believes all that you believe about Him, but she said, never-the-less, she WANTS to go to hell, because she is not going to spend eternity with a bunch of hypocrites.

Now you know, the strange thing is, that she is going to hell, no matter what she believes. She is for sure not going to heaven (Even she will tell you that)
So its more that just believing Jesus came to die for you.

Its manifesting Christ in your life too. Those who do not manifest Christ ...............
 
Cornelius said:
JoJo said:
I understand and agree with all that, Cornelius. But believing in Jesus as the Son of God and as the Word is still just believing. And, according to Jesus, believing is enough.
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You must read my post again, because I did address this issue in full :) Believing in Jesus as a person , God's son who came to save you , is not enough.

I have friend, who use to be a Christian and now is a witch. She gave up Christianity , because she said we are hypocrites and she wants to spend eternity in hell, because all her friends are going to hell (this is the truth , I am not making this up) She believes in Jesus and she believes all that you believe about Him, but she said, never-the-less, she WANTS to go to hell, because she is not going to spend eternity with a bunch of hypocrites.

Now you know, the strange thing is, that she is going to hell, no matter what she believes. She is for sure not going to heaven (Even she will tell you that)
So its more that just believing Jesus came to die for you.

Its manifesting Christ in your life too. Those who do not manifest Christ ...............
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If your witch friend believed everything I believe about Jesus, she would not have turned to witchcraft. Please do not compare my beliefs with that of a witch. There is no comparison.
 
The Seed is the Word and your heart is the soil

Can you see that there are some who have fruit (manifesting Christ) thirty fold?
Can you see that some manifest Christ sixty fold?
Can you see that some manifest Christ a hundred fold ?

Do you see that anybody under thirty fold is not "good soil"?

Mat 13:8 and others fell upon the good ground, and yielded fruit, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
 
JoJo said:
If your witch friend believed everything I believe about Jesus, she would not have turned to witchcraft. Please do not compare my beliefs with that of a witch. There is no comparison.
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OK, she believed everything I believe about Jesus. She was a reborn Christian until her reborn husband had beaten Christianity out of her .
 
Cornelius said:
JoJo said:
If your witch friend believed everything I believe about Jesus, she would not have turned to witchcraft. Please do not compare my beliefs with that of a witch. There is no comparison.
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OK, she believed everything I believe about Jesus. She was a reborn Christian until her reborn husband had beaten Christianity out of her .
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Beat Christianity out of her? And yet you can compare her beliefs about the Savior with our beliefs about Him? So the troubles of this world choked out her faith? If so, her faith was weak. I have seen troubles, "many and bitter", but my Christianity has never been beaten out of me. Again, no comparison.
 
Cornelius said:
JoJo said:
Cornelius said:
So its more that just believing Jesus came to die for you.
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Would you have argued this point with Jesus when He spoke about believing? (John 3:15-16)
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I would not have to, because I am in agreement with Him about this.
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So you wouldn't have said, "But Jesus, in your parable you speak of good and bad soil. What about manifestation? Why didn't you add, ''and manifests Him' when you say that 'whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have eternal life?'"
 
JoJo said:
david_james said:
The correct question is, what makes one a Born again Christian?

All these are required:
Believing in God
Believing Jesus is Son of God
Believing Jesus is God
Believing Jesus died for ALL sins
Believing He rose again
Accepting Jesus as Savior and confessing you're a sinner
Praying only to God
Believing in six literal days of creation
Believing in a Rapture and tribulation period
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Can you please show me where the Bible lists these as requirements for salvation?
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going against any of these is calling God a liar
 
JoJo said:
Cornelius said:
So its more that just believing Jesus came to die for you.
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Would you have argued this point with Jesus when He spoke about believing? (John 3:15-16)
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Hang in there JoJo! You have the truth of the gospel in John 3:15-16!

Gal 1:8
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! (NIV)

The Lord bless you!

sonlite101
 
JoJo said:
So you wouldn't have said, "But Jesus, in your parable you speak of good and bad soil. What about manifestation? Why didn't you add, ''and manifests Him' when you say that 'whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have eternal life?'"
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No, I would not , because I know the answer. He will say:

"Cornelius, why do you base your doctrine on one scripture, when I have told you in Psalms that you must first read the whole Word before you form your opinion. Don't you know that My Word says that all scriptures together is the truth, and not just one scripture. Go and read again what it says:Psa 119:160 The sum of thy word is truth "

In fact God did say "manifestation".

2Co 4:10 always bearing about in the body the dying of Jesus, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our body.
2Co 4:11 For we who live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh.

Do you know what it means to bear fruit ?

Would you say, that if you walk as Jesus walked, that you would be manifesting Jesus?

1Jn 2:6 he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk even as he walked.

So the Bible say: If you say you abide in Christ, you should walk as Christ.
 
sonlite101 said:
JoJo said:
Cornelius said:
So its more that just believing Jesus came to die for you.
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Would you have argued this point with Jesus when He spoke about believing? (John 3:15-16)
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Hang in there JoJo! You have the truth of the gospel in John 3:15-16!

Gal 1:8
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! (NIV)

The Lord bless you!

sonlite101
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I think you might be misunderstanding me. It seems like you think, I am saying that believing in Jesus is not part of salvation. Far be it for me to say that.

You must remember that the Bible teaches MORE than that too. It give conditions to salvation as well. All of which must be read and known by a Christian .If we stay without true knowledge, the Bible says we perish. Knowledge of the whole truth is important if we want eternal life.

The disciples knew this, because they already believed in Jesus, yet when He asked them if they wanted to leave they said, they cannot because Jesus had the ........WORDS........of life. They knew that eternal life was in the words that Jesus gave them and not just in the belief they had in Him.Believing in Jesus = believing the Word. He IS the Word of God.

Joh 6:68 Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
 
sonlite101 said:
JoJo said:
Cornelius said:
So its more that just believing Jesus came to die for you.
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Would you have argued this point with Jesus when He spoke about believing? (John 3:15-16)
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Hang in there JoJo! You have the truth of the gospel in John 3:15-16!

Gal 1:8
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! (NIV)

The Lord bless you!

sonlite101
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Thank you! The Lord bless you too. :)
 
Cornelius said:
You must remember that the Bible teaches MORE than that too. It give conditions to salvation as well.
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I'm sorry, but I reject this hint at legalism because I cannot believe that God's love and mercy and grace are conditional upon my actions (other than the one of giving myself to the Savior Jesus to be kept in His eternal care). If my salvation was dependent on my own actions, then there would have been no need for a Savior. I could have continued keeping the tradition of animal sacrifice to cleanse me from my sins. I believe that Jesus died to save me from suffering eternally for my sins. If this belief were not enough, Jesus would have said so. Can you find me one verse that says belief is not enough?

That said, I want to add that I am not worried about my salvation. My faith is in Jesus and the fact that His final sacrifice on the cross did EVERYTHING I need to be saved.
 
JoJo said:
Cornelius, are you saying that I am reading John 3:16 out of context from the entire Word of God?
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I am saying that John 3:16 must be seen in context with the whole Word . Surely that is not a strange view?

For instance: Hereare conditions that Jesus said, would keep you outside of the Kingdom.(no matter what you believe)

Luk 9:23 And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:24 For whosoever would save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. (condition: take up your cross, follow, loose your own life )

Luk 14:27 Whosoever doth not bear his own cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. So even if you believe John3:16 you must still bear your cross and follow Jesus or you cannot be His disciple.


Another condition:


Luk 14:33 So therefore whosoever he be of you that renounceth not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Mat 18:3 and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!

There are many more. Surely the Word is clear about the fact that these are conditions ? Surely John 3 does not wipe out all of these other scriptures?

C
 
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