What Pleased Our Father

[gordon777]

He was bruised as every son is chastened for corrective purposes only. In Heb.11, the suffering of the OT faithful is described. Then he says to the church,

Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. Heb.12:4

He's speaking of how our Savior strove against the human desire to judge those who "contradicted" him (vs.3) enduring shameful treatment (vs.2).

Gods' correcting his only begotten Son? Why?

The Son of God is not chastened for corrective purposes only, because the corrective purpose is to heal us of our stripes.


Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.




But to take patiently, suffering when you do well, that is acceptable with God.

We are called even to that, Christ suffered for us, leaving us an example, to follow His steps, who did no sin, no guile in His mouth, when reviled, reviled not again, when He suffered He threatened not, but the Son committed Himself unto the Father that judges righteously. Christ bore our sins in His own body on the tree, so that we being dead to sins, live unto righteousness, as by the Sons stripes, we were healed. ( of unrighteousness.)


1 Peter 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.



The Father saw that travail of His Son, and that satisfied ( pleased) Him, because His righteous servant ( the Son who left us an example of suffering patiently) justified many, as He bore our sins. ( He did what was appointed to Him.)



Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.




The answer is given in verse 3, and to look to Jesus who directs our faith in righteousness, is to also not be wearied in our mind nor faint, because the chastisement OF OUR PEACE, was upon Him.



Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.




Our chastening is to yield the peaceable fruit of righteousness, and looking to Jesus patiently enduring, it lifts up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees, and it makes straight paths for our feet, so the lame is not turned out of the way, but it is healed. ( by His stripes we re healed.)



Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

 

[gordon777]

To me, spitting on someone is disgusting enough, but the Messiah bore much more sin than that. Do you agree with me gorden 777?

The sin the Messiah bore was from Adam, to undo what was done.


1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 

[gordon777]

Yes it was. Satan tempted Jesus to do things that were parlor tricks for Jesus.
Peter wanted to kill Jesus' enemies. Jesus wouldn't have needed any help for that,

Don’t you realize that I could ask my Father for thousands of angels to protect us, and he would send them instantly? Mt.26:53

Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, the men around Jesus are not the world, only part of it.

Peter also did not understand that what Jesus was doing, was for all, not just for Peter, and Peters instincts to kill, are not right, even though he thought he was doing right to try to protect Christ.

Christ coming to take death away for all men, is what Christ did, nothing else can matter.



It pleased the Father to bruise the Son, as the acceptable year of the Lord is God setting at liberty those bruised ( of satan) by the Son being bruised by the same.


Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

 

[gordon777]

I don't know what you mean by this.

It's always...always best to point the law at self. That was the reason for the law. We need to. He didn't. Think about that.

Christ bore our burdens and we bear one another's burdens, that is why Christ came to earth to do what he did, it was necessary to show us the way to eternal life, as it is in Christ. ( not in mans soul which he looses.)

Apostle Paul shows these examples, of bearing the burdens of others. ( to show us the way of salvation, as it is in more than words, it is in truth and in deed.)



Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Acts 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.


1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You're missing the point. No matter what happens, our protection is in Christ, not a physical location

Jesus didn’t offer protection. He says “in the world you will have many troubles.”

 

[journeymanisnothing]

If a man never loved God then he can’t be said to have left it.

Right.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Jesus didn’t offer protection. He says “in the world you will have many troubles.”

If you don't see Jesus' victroy over the world as protection that's fine. I disagree.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

The judgement of God is for Christ to taste death for every man, that was right, that was done. ( this is the grace of God to save us..)

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

You're quoting verses which show our High Priest understands human weakness and how he loved people who mistreated him. That's all.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Also gorden777,
After reading your responses to my questions, I see you couldn't answer them.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

If you don't see Jesus' victroy over the world as protection that's fine. I disagree.

I sometimes have counseled believers who suffered personal loss and telling them that “Jesus offers protection” sounds hollow since they were not protected. I mean, that works fine if a believer never faces the trouble Jesus promised will come.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Right.

So do you think that such cannot sin since sin to you is „leaving your first love, God?”

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I sometimes have counseled believers who suffered personal loss and telling them that “Jesus offers protection” sounds hollow since they were not protected. I mean, that works fine if a believer never faces the trouble Jesus promised will come.

It works even better when we console others who have suffered a loss that we now have eternal life. (There's no more protection than that.)

 

[journeymanisnothing]

So do you think that such cannot sin since sin to you is „leaving your first love, God?”

Any person is capable of sin, but think of sin as our spouse committing adultery...or, slapping our children in the face for no reason. Or spitting in the faces of children for no reason. Or killing our own son or daughter for no reason. Cause that should change our minds about sin. Unless people could don't care about how God feels about sin.

And yes, the Messiah died for the sins of everyone also because,

Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? Lk.13:2

In other words, we're no better.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Any person is capable of sin, but think of sin as our spouse committing adultery...or, slapping our children in the face for no reason. Or spitting in the faces of children for no reason. Or killing our own son or daughter for no reason. Cause that should change our minds about sin. Unless people could don't care about how God feels about sin.

And yes, the Messiah died for the sins of everyone also because,

Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? Lk.13:2

In other words, we're no better.

You said sin was leaving off loving God. None of above are that. The problem is your personal definition of sin no one else heard of. It totally leaves out what sin does to others and God doesn’t seem to care.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It works even better when we console others who have suffered a loss that we now have eternal life. (There's no more protection than that.)

I’ve counseled some and since they’re suffering injustice now and God was supposed to “protect them” that doesn’t help. Many leave the faith because of troubles so they won’t get to Heaven anyway.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

You said sin was leaving off loving God. None of above are that. The problem is your personal definition of sin no one else heard of. It totally leaves out what sin does to others and God doesn’t seem to care.

I also showed there are sins of commission and omission. That's clearly stated in scripture and so is the teaching that sin separates people from God,

Ye adulterers and adulteresses Jas.4:4

for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away. Isa.50:1

Divorced for leaving marriage to God. For sinning againt him.

I'm not surprised when people don't recognize sin for what it really is, as those people also believe they are one with Christ no matter how they conduct themselves.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I’ve counseled some and since they’re suffering injustice now and God was supposed to “protect them” that doesn’t help.

Then tell them the truth. Tell them in all the agony Jesus endured our Father never left him. And in all the trials faced by believers our Father never leaves us. And if our Lord gives us the means to alliviate their suffering then we should use it.

Many leave the faith because of troubles so they won’t get to Heaven anyway.

Maybe they leave because they've been taught things about God that aren't true.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I also showed there are sins of commission and omission. That's clearly stated in scripture and so is the teaching that sin separates people from God,

So you don’t say sin is leaving the love of God period?

Ye adulterers and adulteresses Jas.4:4

for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away. Isa.50:1

Divorced for leaving marriage to God. For sinning againt him.

Well, one has tobe married to he divorced.

I'm not surprised when people don't recognize sin for what it really is, as those people also believe they are one with Christ no matter how they conduct themselves.

I agree they don’t know. Preaching is now soft on sin. They don’t the difference between separation from God and normal christianity. The lack is described as “God testing” one.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I also showed there are sins of commission and omission. That's clearly stated in scripture and so is the teaching that sin separates people from God,

So you don’t say sin is leaving the love of God period?

Ye adulterers and adulteresses Jas.4:4

for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away. Isa.50:1

Divorced for leaving marriage to God. For sinning againt him.

Well, one has tobe married to he divorced.

I'm not surprised when people don't recognize sin for what it really is, as those people also believe they are one with Christ no matter how they conduct themselves.

I agree they don’t know. Preaching is now soft on sin. They don’t the difference between separation from God and normal christianity. The lack is described as “God testing” one.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

So you don’t say sin is leaving the love of God period?

I used scripture comparing "leaving God" to "adultery" because of "sin."

Can't you see that?

Well, one has tobe married to he divorced.

I agree they don’t know. Preaching is now soft on sin. They don’t the difference between separation from God and normal christianity. The lack is described as “God testing” one.

The point is we're engaged to Christ now, so don't leave him, abandon him.....by sinning against him,

if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 1Jn.3:20

For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested Mk.4:22